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  Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 05:02 +0000
    Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 06:06 +0000
      Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:19 +1000
        Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000
          Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:03 +1000
      Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-21 07:53 -0700
        Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 11:01 -0400
          Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000
            Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 13:35 -0400
              Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:45 +0000
                Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 13:51 -0400
                  Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 18:09 +0000
                    Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 14:15 -0400
                      Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 22:39 +0000
                        Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 18:44 -0400
                        Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:01 +1000
                    Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:31 +1000
                Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:22 +1000
                  Re: OT change of topic by Rod Speed - iPhone versus Android security Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 23:32 +0000
                    Re: OT change of topic by Rod Speed - iPhone versus Android security "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:16 +1000
                    Re: OT change of topic by Rod Speed - iPhone versus Android security nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 22:22 -0400
            Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:10 +1000
              Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-21 11:59 -0700
                Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 06:34 +1000
        Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? AL <noemail@none.invalid.com> - 2016-09-21 09:27 -0700
          Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:32 +0000
        Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000
          Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:12 +1000
    Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:02 +1000
    Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-21 03:25 -0400
      Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 07:47 +0000
        Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-21 21:50 -0400
          Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-22 22:43 +0000
    Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-09-21 11:09 -0400
      Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000
        Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 13:35 -0400
          Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 18:04 +0000
            Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 14:15 -0400
            Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:27 +1000
        Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 03:59 +1000
          Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 18:11 +0000
            Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 14:15 -0400
            Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:33 +1000
              Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-09-21 16:49 -0500
                Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 08:29 +1000
                Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 23:32 +0000
                  Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:04 +1000
        Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-21 21:58 -0400
          Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-21 19:51 -0700
            Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-22 22:43 +0000
            Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-22 22:51 +0000
              Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-22 18:54 -0400
              Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-22 16:19 -0700
          Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-22 22:43 +0000
            Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-23 00:20 -0400
              Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 16:08 +0000
                Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Graham Murray <newspost@gmurray.org.uk> - 2016-09-23 18:04 +0100
                  Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 22:38 +0000
                    Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 15:55 +1000
                      Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:39 +0000
                        Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 07:39 +1000
                          Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-24 18:10 -0400
                            Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 09:00 +1000
                          Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 22:10 +0000
                            Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 09:04 +1000
                      Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:41 +0000
                  Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 22:38 +0000
                    Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 18:40 -0400
                      Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 22:47 +0000
                        Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 18:55 -0400
                          Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 23:45 +0000
                            Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 00:06 +0000
                              Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 00:20 +0000
                                Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 01:09 +0000
                                Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 16:01 +1000
                                  Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:31 +0000
                                    Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 07:35 +1000
                                    Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-09-30 12:22 +0100
                Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 13:04 -0400
                  Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 22:38 +0000

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#34533 — Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone?

Do you turn off your carrier diagnostics collection on your cell phone?
http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png

I don't have an iOS phone, but, monthly, I reset my T-Mobile Android phone
to factory defaults.
http://i.cubeupload.com/K0KITq.png

Invariably, the question comes up by T-Mobile diagnostic software of
whether I want the cellular carrier to collect diagnostics, or not:
http://i.cubeupload.com/AgFoIL.png

When I press for "more information", I'm taken to this web page:
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-2929

Which explains:
"What types of information does T-Mobile collect?
    Device signal strength
    System crashes
    Dropped calls records
    Battery performance
    Application usage"

That web page suggests I download this T-Mobile app:
http://www.t-mobile.com/landing/download-t-mobile-app.html

Which I never do because I already have the T-Mobile "System Manager
Application", which says:
"This software collects diagnostic data..."
http://i.cubeupload.com/YmIxZZ.png

To disable data collection, go to:
Settings > Accounts > BAckup and reset > Collect Diagnostics
Turn off the checkbox "Allow Diagnostics"
http://i.cubeupload.com/f166HH.png

*My question for Android users:*
Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?
   http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png

My question for iOS users:
Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?



 

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#34543

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 05:02:01 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

> To disable carrier data collection, go to:
> Settings > Accounts > BAckup and reset > Collect Diagnostics
> Turn off the checkbox "Allow Diagnostics"
> http://i.cubeupload.com/f166HH.png
> 
> *My question for Android users:*
> Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?
>    http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png
> 
> My question for iOS users:
> Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?

In addition to disabling carrier data collection, I went through all the
default apps to turn off any permissions I didn't like.
http://i.cubeupload.com/m1cZWG.png

In doing so, I noticed that the carrier diagnostics-collection application
*inherently* still showed it had innate permission to the phone's location.
 http://i.cubeupload.com/laYugI.png

By flipping the "location" switch from "on" to "off", I think I ensured
that the carrier wasn't checking in on my location from time to time via
its "system manager application":
 http://i.cubeupload.com/VTiYIB.png

*My question for Android users:*
Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?
   http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png

*My question for iOS users:*
Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?

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#34552

"Horace Algier" <horatio@horatio.net> wrote in message 
news:nrt80l$1n33$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 05:02:01 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:
>
>> To disable carrier data collection, go to:
>> Settings > Accounts > BAckup and reset > Collect Diagnostics
>> Turn off the checkbox "Allow Diagnostics"
>> http://i.cubeupload.com/f166HH.png
>>
>> *My question for Android users:*
>> Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?
>>    http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png
>>
>> My question for iOS users:
>> Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?
>
> In addition to disabling carrier data collection, I went through all the
> default apps to turn off any permissions I didn't like.
> http://i.cubeupload.com/m1cZWG.png

No one actually gives a flying red fuck about what you do.

> In doing so, I noticed that the carrier diagnostics-collection application
> *inherently* still showed it had innate permission to the phone's 
> location.
> http://i.cubeupload.com/laYugI.png

So you get fucked over regardless of your stupid games.

> By flipping the "location" switch from "on" to "off", I think
> I ensured that the carrier wasn't checking in on my location
> from time to time via its "system manager application":
> http://i.cubeupload.com/VTiYIB.png

You're wrong, as always.

> *My question for Android users:*
> Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?
>   http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png

No one except you is actually that stupid.

> *My question for iOS users:*
> Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?

Nope. 

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#34565

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:19:21 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> No one except you is actually that stupid.

As usual, you both fail to comprehend the subject matter, *and* you fail to
add any value; yet, you still post. Amazing.

Anyway, to add value, for those who have T-Mobile, it seems that "Carrier
IQ" was a company in Sunnyvale that created the diagnostic software for teh
carriers, and which was bought out by AT&T.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_IQ

Luckily, you can opt-out of Carrier IQ (system manager) software, but it
seems to be a different sequence for each smart phone.

For example, to opt out of Carrier IQ for ... 

System Manager (Carrier IQ): Samsung Galaxy S7 (G930T)
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-24985

System Manager (Carrier IQ): Alcatel ONETOUCH Evolve
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-12948

System Manager (Carrier IQ): LG G2
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-11114

System Manager (Carrier IQ): Samsung Galaxy S 5
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-28460

System Manager (Carrier IQ): Samsung Galaxy S4
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-27793

System Manager (Carrier IQ): Samsung Galaxy Note 3
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-27732
etc.

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#34575

Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote 
> Rod Speed wrote

>> No one except you is actually that stupid.
 
> As usual, you both fail to comprehend the subject matter, 

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always. 

> *and* you fail to add any value; 

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always. 

I told you more than once that there is no collection 
BY CARRIERS of that data on current iphones, you silly 
little pathological liar/pathetic excuse for a lying troll. 

> yet, you still post. 

I answered your trolling question, fuckwit. 

> Amazing.

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always. 

<reams of your repetitive troll shit flushed where it belongs>
 

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#34559

On 2016-09-21 06:06:14 +0000, Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> said:

<<Le Snip>>

> In addition to disabling carrier data collection, I went through all the
> default apps to turn off any permissions I didn't like.
> http://i.cubeupload.com/m1cZWG.png
> 
> In doing so, I noticed that the carrier diagnostics-collection application
> *inherently* still showed it had innate permission to the phone's location.
>  http://i.cubeupload.com/laYugI.png
> 
> By flipping the "location" switch from "on" to "off", I think I ensured
> that the carrier wasn't checking in on my location from time to time via
> its "system manager application":
>  http://i.cubeupload.com/VTiYIB.png
> 
> *My question for Android users:*
> Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?
>    http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png
> 
> *My question for iOS users:*
> Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?

Wih my iPhones on Verizon it is simple enought to go to 
"Settings->"Privacy"(scroll to the bottom)->"Diagnostics & Usage" there 
you find that it is Apple, not Verizon requesting the data. You have 
the options to "Send Automatically" or "Don't Send". You are free to 
choose whichever you want.

At the bottom of that settings window you will find the current status 
and a tap selection to view the currently accumulated "Diagnostics & 
Usage Data".

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#34560

In article <201609210753128228-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> > *My question for iOS users:*
> > Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?
> 
> Wih my iPhones on Verizon it is simple enought to go to 
> "Settings->"Privacy"(scroll to the bottom)->"Diagnostics & Usage" there 
> you find that it is Apple, not Verizon requesting the data. You have 
> the options to "Send Automatically" or "Don't Send". You are free to 
> choose whichever you want.
> 
> At the bottom of that settings window you will find the current status 
> and a tap selection to view the currently accumulated "Diagnostics & 
> Usage Data".

*all* cellular carriers collect diagnostic data regardless of the type
of phone (smartphone or candybar/flip), such as when and where calls
drop, so that they can see where they need to fix things.

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#34566

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:01:28 -0400, nospam wrote:

> *all* cellular carriers collect diagnostic data regardless of the type
> of phone (smartphone or candybar/flip), such as when and where calls
> drop, so that they can see where they need to fix things.

I'm sure there is diagnostic information that you *can't* disable, but
there is certainly diagnostic information being sent to the carrier that
you *can* disable.

So the question is simply who disables carrier software, and, if they do
disable the carrier software, then how do they do it (so that all others
may benefit from the information).

1. I showed how to disable the T-mobile "System Manager Application" data
collection on Android, which anyone on T-Mobile can replicate.
2. Savageduck, on iOS, couldn't find where Verizon was collecting data, but
he kindly showed how he disables the *Apple* collection of data.
3. tlvp, on Android, said he couldn't find how to turn off the Verizon
collection of data on Android either - so it might be that you can't turn
off Verizon collection of data on either platform.

4. You (nospam) mentioned the obvious (which didn't add any value)
5. Rod Speed simply ranted as usual (showing even *less* value)
6. Davoud is another kook who posted utter nonsense (as usual for him)

In summary, based only on what has been reported here with respect to
*carrier* collection of data, the group tribal knowledge is the following:
a. On Android, you *can* turn off *T-Mobile* "System Manager Application"
data collection.
b. On iOS and Android, you *can't* turn off *Verizon* diagnostic data
collection

No word yet on T-Mobile on iOS or AT&T on either platform.

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#34570

In article <nruf68$1r7o$3@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers
<horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

> 
> > *all* cellular carriers collect diagnostic data regardless of the type
> > of phone (smartphone or candybar/flip), such as when and where calls
> > drop, so that they can see where they need to fix things.
> 
> I'm sure there is diagnostic information that you *can't* disable, but
> there is certainly diagnostic information being sent to the carrier that
> you *can* disable.

who cares. it's just call drops and similar info, not specific data
about what someone is doing. completely harmless.

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#34571

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:35:38 -0400, nospam wrote:

> who cares. it's just call drops and similar info, not specific data
> about what someone is doing. completely harmless.

Plenty of smart people care. While you're so used to "just giving up", it
doesn't bother you in the least that you can't disable carrier diagnostics,
and that's fine. You're not someone who can help in this discussion.

However, plenty of people do care, and they've even written apps to
*remove* the carrier diagnostic software.

FOr example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17612559&postcount=110
Where the author says the app "can be used to verify what logging is being
done on your phone and where data is going to. It will assist you in
manually removing parts that you do not want running".

Besides, you may not care about security, but you must know that the
company that made Carrier IQ (which was on over 140 million phones
according to that company at the time, including iPhones) admitted a bug
where they collected cleartext SMS messages which were supposed to be
encrypted.

Given that is a well-reported bug, wouldn't you care if your encrypted
messages were being sent, in cleartext, to the carrier?

I realize you are so used to "just giving up" whenever a user-customization
is involved, but other people don't give up as easily as you do. They care.

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#34572

In article <nruh0b$1u88$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers
<horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

> 
> > who cares. it's just call drops and similar info, not specific data
> > about what someone is doing. completely harmless.
> 
> Plenty of smart people care. While you're so used to "just giving up", it
> doesn't bother you in the least that you can't disable carrier diagnostics,
> and that's fine. You're not someone who can help in this discussion.
> 
> However, plenty of people do care, and they've even written apps to
> *remove* the carrier diagnostic software.

once again, you're spewing about things you know *nothing* about.

carrier iq is *not* the same as carrier diagnostic software which
tracks stuff like call drops or dead spots and carrier iq isn't on
iphones anyway so there's nothing to remove.

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#34577

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:51:54 -0400, nospam wrote:

> once again, you're spewing about things you know *nothing* about.
> 
> carrier iq is *not* the same as carrier diagnostic software which
> tracks stuff like call drops or dead spots and carrier iq isn't on
> iphones anyway so there's nothing to remove.

CIQ was on all iPhones for many years, but CIQ is only one of many ways
that carriers collect data where you can *opt out* of that data collection.

You, yourself, said that *all* carriers collect diagnostic information.

This thread simply asks if people disable their carrier diagnostic
software.

The goal is to identify where the *carriers* are obtaining data, and, if
possible, to learn how to *opt out* of that data collection.

Certainly it was easy to opt out of the T-mobile "system manager" app.

Others can report how they can opt out of their carrier diagnostics
collection on their phones.

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#34582

In article <nruidj$16e$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers
<horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

> 
> > once again, you're spewing about things you know *nothing* about.
> > 
> > carrier iq is *not* the same as carrier diagnostic software which
> > tracks stuff like call drops or dead spots and carrier iq isn't on
> > iphones anyway so there's nothing to remove.
> 
> CIQ was on all iPhones for many years, but CIQ is only one of many ways
> that carriers collect data where you can *opt out* of that data collection.

not very many years, and ciq has been gone for a very, very long time.

> You, yourself, said that *all* carriers collect diagnostic information.

they do, and it's beneficial for everyone that they do.

> This thread simply asks if people disable their carrier diagnostic
> software.

they don't, because they're not paranoid idiots and they want the
carriers to improve coverage and fix problems

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#34595

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:15:55 -0400, nospam wrote:

> they don't, because they're not paranoid idiots and they want the
> carriers to improve coverage and fix problems

If that were true, there wouldn't be opt-out options.

The fact is that opt-out options exist.

For example, T-Mobile makes it easy to opt out of SMA diagnostics:
http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png

Google makes it easy to opt out of "Google & location" data tracking:
http://i.cubeupload.com/4H5qiY.png

Google also allows easy opting out of 3rd-party application tracking:
http://i.cubeupload.com/zNtJ10.png

Even the Nova launcher allows easy opting out of "error & usage" reporting:
http://i.cubeupload.com/2uAwi5.png

*Clearly people "do" opt out, because these options exist.* 

In fact, those screenshots are all from last night on "my" phone after I
factory reset it, since I do that monthly given I change hundreds of
settings a month to see what they do.

It's clear you don't even understand the question, or that you have nothing
of value to add to the question for *anyone* to benefit from.

This thread is simply asking others if they disable carrier tracking.

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#34596

In article <nrv26d$r5s$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers
<horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

> 
> > they don't, because they're not paranoid idiots and they want the
> > carriers to improve coverage and fix problems
> 
> If that were true, there wouldn't be opt-out options.

there aren't opt-out options for the *carrier* diagnostics, which track
reception, call drops, etc.

there may be opt-out options for other stuff but not always and not
everything can be disabled even if you tap the button, which only
serves to make things worse for everyone.




> 
> This thread is simply asking others if they disable carrier tracking.

no it isn't. it's yet another one of your moronic trolls about things
you don't understand.

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#34599

Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote
> nospam wrote

>> they don't, because they're not paranoid idiots and they
>> want the carriers to improve coverage and fix problems

> If that were true, there wouldn't be opt-out options.

There are opt out options, because there are paranoid eejuts like you 
around.

> The fact is that opt-out options exist.

Because there are paranoid eejuts like you around.

> For example, T-Mobile makes it easy to opt out of SMA diagnostics:
> http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png
>
> Google makes it easy to opt out of "Google & location" data tracking:
> http://i.cubeupload.com/4H5qiY.png
>
> Google also allows easy opting out of 3rd-party application tracking:
> http://i.cubeupload.com/zNtJ10.png
>
> Even the Nova launcher allows easy opting out of "error & usage" 
> reporting:
> http://i.cubeupload.com/2uAwi5.png
>
> *Clearly people "do" opt out, because these options exist.*

Because there are paranoid eejuts like you around.

> In fact, those screenshots are all from last night on "my"
> phone after I factory reset it, since I do that monthly

Wota terminal fuckwit...

> given I change hundreds of settings a month to see what they do.

And you keep doing that for years ?  Wota terminal fuckwit...

> It's clear you don't even understand the question,

Lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> or that you have nothing of value to add to the question

Lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> for *anyone* to benefit from.

> This thread is simply asking others if they disable carrier tracking.

And NO ONE said they were that stupid.

Funny that.

Hilarious, actually.

Just another pathetic excuse for a troll, as always. 

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#34586

Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote
> nospam wrote

>> once again, you're spewing about things you know *nothing* about.

>> carrier iq is *not* the same as carrier diagnostic software
>> which tracks stuff like call drops or dead spots and carrier
>> iq isn't on iphones anyway so there's nothing to remove.

> CIQ was on all iPhones for many years,

More of your pig ignorant lies.

> but CIQ is only one of many ways that carriers collect
> data where you can *opt out* of that data collection.

> You, yourself, said that *all* carriers collect diagnostic information.

He never said that that WAS DONE ON THE PHONE, fuckwit troll.

> This thread simply asks if people disable their carrier diagnostic 
> software.

It aint there to disable on iphones, fuckwit troll.

> The goal is to identify where the *carriers* are obtaining data,

They don’t on iphones, fuckwit troll.

> and, if possible, to learn how to *opt out* of that data collection.

Nothing to opt out of in iphones, fuckwit troll.

> Certainly it was easy to opt out of the T-mobile "system manager" app.

> Others can report how they can opt out of their
> carrier diagnostics collection on their phones.

No need to opt out of anything with iphones, fuckwit troll. 

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#34584

Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote
> nospam wrote

>> who cares. it's just call drops and similar info, not specific
>> data about what someone is doing. completely harmless.

He's right.

> Plenty of smart people care.

Just the paranoid fools...

> While you're so used to "just giving up",

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> it doesn't bother you in the least that you can't disable carrier 
> diagnostics,

Nothing to disable on current iphones, fuckwit troll.

IT ISNT THERE TO DISABLE, fuckwit troll.

> and that's fine. You're not someone who can help in this discussion.

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> However, plenty of people do care,

Just paranoid fuckwits like you, troll.

> and they've even written apps to *remove*
> the carrier diagnostic software.

Not possible REMOVE what isnt there in the first place, fuckwit troll.

> FOr example:
> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17612559&postcount=110
> Where the author says the app "can be used to verify what logging is
> being done on your phone and where data is going to. It will assist
> you in manually removing parts that you do not want running".

Doesn’t work on iphones, fuckwit troll.

> Besides, you may not care about security,

Nothing whatever to do with security, fuckwit troll.

And if you had a fucking clue about security, you'd be using an iphone
anyway, because your personal data is MUCH more secure with those.

> but you must know that the company that made Carrier
> IQ (which was on over 140 million phones according to
> that company at the time, including iPhones)

Not for 5 YEARS now, fuckwit troll.

> admitted a bug where they collected cleartext SMS
> messages which were supposed to be encrypted.

Not on iOS, fuckwit troll.

> Given that is a well-reported bug, wouldn't you care if your
> encrypted messages were being sent, in cleartext, to the carrier?

They arent with iOS, fuckwit troll.

> I realize you are so used to "just giving up"
> whenever a user-customization is involved,

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> but other people don't give up as easily as you do. They care.

Only the paranoid fuckwits too stupid to use iOS. 

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#34598 — Re: OT change of topic by Rod Speed - iPhone versus Android security

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 04:22:07 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> And if you had a fucking clue about security, you'd be using an iphone
> anyway, because your personal data is MUCH more secure with those.

< OT > 
It's an entirely *different* topic as to whether an iPhone is more or less
secure than any other mobile device.

On that off-topic rant of yours, it's clear that you are willing to trade
flexibility for the mere *illusion* of security.

It's funny that you actually *believe* that iOS is *more secure* than any
other non-hardened mobile OS (such as Android).

And you say "I" don't have a clue.

Apparently you missed the entire thread proving that no mobile device on a
commercial consumer operating system is even remotely close to "secure".

But don't take it from me. 
Read this from March 3, 2016
Apple iOS vs Google Android: Which is the more secure smartphone OS?
ANSWER = neither
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/apple-ios-vs-google-android-which-more-secure-smartphone-os-1547396
 "The Apple operating system is [far] more limited [and only] in theory,
more secure...[in fact] for every Stagefright there is a YiSpecter – which
was uncovered by researchers at Palo Alto Networks and found to be
attacking both jailbroken and non-jailbroken Apple devices. When mixed with
the aforementioned XCodeGhost – which resulted in malicious code in a slew
of apps listed on the official iOS app store ... security experts are now
arguing that both platforms need to step up their game."

Kaspersky says the same thing:
https://usa.kaspersky.com/internet-security-center/threats/android-vs-iphone-mobile-security
 "Not invulnerable to malware ... Apple products ... don't guarantee 100%
security and are still vulnerable to malware and hacking."

You are willing to trade flexibility for the mere *illusion* of security.

Using an iOS device is like driving a car with the engine bay welded shut.
Sure, you *feel* safe - but you're just *pointing* the thing.

And, that *feeling* of safety is merely an illusion that anyone with
untainted eyes can see right through.

It's patently clear that *you* willingly trade a tremendous loss of freedom
for the mere *illusion* of safety; but the question at hand remains simply
whether others disable the carrier diagnostic software on their cellphones.

< / OT > 

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#34601 — Re: OT change of topic by Rod Speed - iPhone versus Android security

More of your lies with the subject.

Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> And if you had a fucking clue about security, you'd be using an iphone
>> anyway, because your personal data is MUCH more secure with those.

> < OT >

More of your bare faced lies.

> It's an entirely *different* topic as to whether an iPhone
> is more or less secure than any other mobile device.

Completely on topic when you are mindlessly trolling about
being able to stop the carrier seeing your personal data that
lists what has happened to your carrier connections etc.

> On that off-topic rant of yours,

More of your bare faced lies/pathetic excuse for a troll.

> it's clear that you are willing to trade
> flexibility for the mere *illusion* of security.

More of your bare faced lies/pathetic excuse for a troll.

There is no ILLUSION of security, no CARRIER gets to
see any of your personal data on your phone at all.

Even apple doesn’t by default either.

> It's funny that you actually *believe* that iOS is *more secure*

I know it is MUCH more secure for your personal data, thanks.

> than any other non-hardened mobile OS (such as Android).

> And you say "I" don't have a clue.

Neither do you, ever.

> Apparently you missed the entire thread proving that no mobile device on a
> commercial consumer operating system is even remotely close to "secure".

I missed nothing, you pathetic excuse for a lying troll.

> But don't take it from me.
> Read this from March 3, 2016
> Apple iOS vs Google Android: Which is the more secure smartphone OS?
> ANSWER = neither
> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/apple-ios-vs-google-android-which-more-secure-smartphone-os-1547396
> "The Apple operating system is [far] more limited [and only] in theory,
> more secure...[in fact] for every Stagefright there is a YiSpecter ¡V 
> which
> was uncovered by researchers at Palo Alto Networks and found to be
> attacking both jailbroken and non-jailbroken Apple devices. When mixed
> with the aforementioned XCodeGhost ¡V which resulted in malicious code
> in a slew of apps listed on the official iOS app store ...

And those got flushed when found, fuckwit.

> security experts are now arguing that
> both platforms need to step up their game."

Irrelevant to the stupid claim that iOS is no more
secure for your personal data than android.

> Kaspersky says the same thing:
> https://usa.kaspersky.com/internet-security-center/threats/android-vs-iphone-mobile-security
> "Not invulnerable to malware ... Apple products ... don't guarantee
> 100% security and are still vulnerable to malware and hacking."

Irrelevant to the stupid claim that iOS is no more
secure for your personal data than android.

> You are willing to trade flexibility for the mere *illusion* of security.

It is no illusion, fuckwit. And I have just as much flexibility
in the areas that matter as I have on androids.

> Using an iOS device is like driving a car with the engine bay welded shut.

Even more of a bare faced lie than you usually manage.

Even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should have noticed
that you are free to add any apps from the app store you like.

> Sure, you *feel* safe - but you're just *pointing* the thing.

Even more of a bare faced lie than you usually manage.

I am in fact changing it as much as I like with apps from the app store.

> And, that *feeling* of safety is merely an illusion that
> anyone with untainted eyes can see right through.

Even more of a bare faced lie than you usually manage.

> It's patently clear that *you* willingly trade a tremendous loss of 
> freedom

Even more of a bare faced lie than you usually manage.

> for the mere *illusion* of safety;

Even more of a bare faced lie than you usually manage.

> but the question at hand remains simply whether others
> disable the carrier diagnostic software on their cellphones.

That pathetic excuse for a troll was answered hours ago, fuckwit.

No one in here is actually as stupid as you are.

No surprises there.

> < / OT > 

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