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| Started by | Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> |
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| First post | 2016-09-21 05:02 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-09-23 22:38 +0000 |
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Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 05:02 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 06:06 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:19 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:03 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-21 07:53 -0700
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 11:01 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 13:35 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:45 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 13:51 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 18:09 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 14:15 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 22:39 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 18:44 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:01 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:31 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:22 +1000
Re: OT change of topic by Rod Speed - iPhone versus Android security Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 23:32 +0000
Re: OT change of topic by Rod Speed - iPhone versus Android security "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:16 +1000
Re: OT change of topic by Rod Speed - iPhone versus Android security nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 22:22 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:10 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-21 11:59 -0700
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 06:34 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? AL <noemail@none.invalid.com> - 2016-09-21 09:27 -0700
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:32 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:12 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:02 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-21 03:25 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 07:47 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-21 21:50 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-22 22:43 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-09-21 11:09 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 13:35 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 18:04 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 14:15 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:27 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 03:59 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 18:11 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 14:15 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:33 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-09-21 16:49 -0500
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 08:29 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 23:32 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:04 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-21 21:58 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-21 19:51 -0700
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-22 22:43 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-22 22:51 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-22 18:54 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-22 16:19 -0700
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-22 22:43 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-23 00:20 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 16:08 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Graham Murray <newspost@gmurray.org.uk> - 2016-09-23 18:04 +0100
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 22:38 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 15:55 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:39 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 07:39 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-24 18:10 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 09:00 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 22:10 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 09:04 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:41 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 22:38 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 18:40 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 22:47 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 18:55 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 23:45 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 00:06 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 00:20 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 01:09 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 16:01 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:31 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 07:35 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-09-30 12:22 +0100
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 13:04 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 22:38 +0000
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 22:22 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT change of topic by Rod Speed - iPhone versus Android security |
| Message-ID | <210920162222004202%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #34598 |
In article <nrv5a0$utg$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote: > > > And if you had a fucking clue about security, you'd be using an iphone > > anyway, because your personal data is MUCH more secure with those. > > < OT > > It's an entirely *different* topic as to whether an iPhone is more or less > secure than any other mobile device. same topic. > On that off-topic rant of yours, it's clear that you are willing to trade > flexibility for the mere *illusion* of security. no illusion. > It's funny that you actually *believe* that iOS is *more secure* than any > other non-hardened mobile OS (such as Android). it is > And you say "I" don't have a clue. you don't. > Apparently you missed the entire thread proving that no mobile device on a > commercial consumer operating system is even remotely close to "secure". straw man. nothing is 100%, but ios is without question more secure than android. > But don't take it from me. fear not. nobody does.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 04:10 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e4g0soFigjmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34566 |
Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote > nospam wrote >> *all* cellular carriers collect diagnostic data regardless of the type >> of phone (smartphone or candybar/flip), such as when and where >> calls drop, so that they can see where they need to fix things. > I'm sure there is diagnostic information that you *can't* disable, Of course there is with what is collected back in the bases, fuckwit. > but there is certainly diagnostic information being sent to the carrier Not with current iphones there is, troll. > that you *can* disable. > So the question is simply who disables carrier software, There is no carrier software to disable on current iphones, troll. > and, if they do disable the carrier software, then how do they do it Nothing to disable on current iphones, troll. > (so that all others may benefit from the information). Nothing to benefit from with current iphones, troll. > 1. I showed how to disable the T-mobile "System Manager Application" > data collection on Android, which anyone on T-Mobile can replicate. > 2. Savageduck, on iOS, couldn't find where Verizon was collecting data, > but he kindly showed how he disables the *Apple* collection of data. Its disabled by default, you pathetic excuse for a troll. > 3. tlvp, on Android, said he couldn't find how to turn off the Verizon > collection of data on Android either - so it might be that you can't > turn off Verizon collection of data on either platform. Nothing is collected on current iphones, troll. > 4. You (nospam) mentioned the obvious (which didn't add any value) You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always. > 5. Rod Speed simply ranted as usual (showing even *less* value) You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always. > 6. Davoud is another kook who posted utter nonsense (as usual for him) You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always. > In summary, based only on what has been reported here with respect to > *carrier* collection of data, the group tribal knowledge is the following: > a. On Android, you *can* turn off *T-Mobile* "System Manager Application" > data collection. > b. On iOS and Android, you *can't* turn off *Verizon* diagnostic data > collection Nothing to turn off on iOS, troll, it isnt collected by any carrier in iOS. > No word yet on T-Mobile on iOS or AT&T on either platform. Because Apple has said that it isnt collected, troll.
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 11:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2016092111591482397-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #34579 |
On 2016-09-21 18:10:20 +0000, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> said: <<Le Snip>> > Nothing to turn off on iOS, troll, it isnt collected by any carrier in iOS. Yet I find this in Settings->Privacy on my iPhone 6S+ running iOS10.0.1. <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/File%20Sep%2021%2C%2011%2047%2037.png> ...and some of the collected, unsent data. <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/File%20Sep%2021%2C%2011%2047%2058.png> -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 06:34 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e4g9mfFkl4vU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34589 |
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Nothing to turn off on iOS, troll, it isnt collected by any carrier in
>> iOS.
> Yet I find this in Settings->Privacy on my iPhone 6S+ running iOS10.0.1.
> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/File%20Sep%2021%2C%2011%2047%2037.png>
That clearly says its collected by APPLE, not any CARRIER.
> ...and
> some of the collected, unsent data.
> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/File%20Sep%2021%2C%2011%2047%2058.png>
That is collected by APPLE, not any CARRIER.
And its off by default too.
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| From | AL <noemail@none.invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 09:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nruccf$krq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #34559 |
On 9/21/2016 7:53 AM, Savageduck wrote: > Wih my iPhones on Verizon it is simple enought to go to > "Settings->"Privacy"(scroll to the bottom)->"Diagnostics & Usage" there > you find that it is Apple, not Verizon requesting the data. You have the > options to "Send Automatically" or "Don't Send". You are free to choose > whichever you want. I have a similar setting in my Verizon Droid. Motorola (now a Lenovo product) collects the data. Switch 1 says: "Help Improve Motorola Products Share device usage statistics". Switch 2 says: "Enhanced Device Support Enable customized support and recommendations for your device". And you can get a Motorola ID: "Motorola can provide you with a more personalized experience by identifying you across devices". All very lovely words, don't you think? 8-O
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 17:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nrug7i$1t02$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34562 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:27:04 -0700, AL wrote: > I have a similar setting in my Verizon Droid. Motorola (now a Lenovo > product) collects the data. > > Switch 1 says: "Help Improve Motorola Products Share device usage > statistics". > > Switch 2 says: "Enhanced Device Support Enable customized support and > recommendations for your device". > > And you can get a Motorola ID: "Motorola can provide you with a more > personalized experience by identifying you across devices". > > All very lovely words, don't you think? 8-O Thank you for adding value to the discussion, with respect to your phone, and looking at what "diagnostics" are reported back to the carrier. It seems there are 3 different types of diagnostics discussed in this thread: 1. carrier diagnostics (e.g., T-Mobile or Verizon or AT&T) 2. OS maker diagnostics (e.g., Apple or Google) 3. phone maker diagnostics (e.g., Motorola/Lenovo or Samsung or HTC) In this thread: 1. I showed how to turn off the *carrier* "system manager" diagnostics app for T-Mobile while tlvp showed that the Verizon equivalent is not so easily turned off. 2. Savageduck showed how to turn off the *OS maker* diagnostics for Apple and in another thread, I showed how to turn off the Google os-maker diagnostics. 3. You found the *manufacturer* app was sending diagnostics to Moto/Lenovo. Given that there are 3 (actually 4 if we add individual apps) places where your "diagnostic" information is sent to a mother ship, we may want to limit this thred to *just* learning how to turn off the *carrier* diagnostics collection. The major carriers except Verizon all seem to have standardized on software originally called "Carrier IQ", according to this note: Understanding Carrier IQ: The Most Detailed Explanation So Far http://mashable.com/2011/12/13/understanding-carrier-iq/#fFKox0xzKgqd Carrier IQ: What it is, what it isn't, and what you need to know https://www.engadget.com/2011/12/01/carrier-iq-what-it-is-what-it-isnt-and-what-you-need-to/
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nruf6a$1r7o$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34559 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 07:53:12 -0700, Savageduck wrote: > Wih my iPhones on Verizon it is simple enought to go to > "Settings->"Privacy"(scroll to the bottom)->"Diagnostics & Usage" there > you find that it is Apple, not Verizon requesting the data. You have > the options to "Send Automatically" or "Don't Send". You are free to > choose whichever you want. Thank you for that information about disabling the diagnostics sending by Apple on a Verizon iPhone. It seems there are *multiple* places where stock Android/iOS phones send "diagnostic" information to the mother ship, which I propose that we should all know about. In this case, there are two categories of mother ships: - The platform (e.g., Apple & Google) - The carriers (e.g., Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T, Sprint, etc.) > At the bottom of that settings window you will find the current status > and a tap selection to view the currently accumulated "Diagnostics & > Usage Data". That's nice that you can actually *see* the data that will be sent back to the mother ship (in your case, back to Apple). That's akin to my turning off Google diagnostics, which is pretty easy to turn off - but you have to *know* where the settings are, since they're scattered all about. That's why I opened *separate* threads on turning off the various diagnostics mechanisms. I think I've disabled the T-mobile diagnostic software, for example. Do you think that you've disabled the Verizon diagnostic collection?
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 04:12 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e4g0sqFigjmU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34567 |
"Horace Algiers" <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote in message news:nruf6a$1r7o$4@gioia.aioe.org... > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 07:53:12 -0700, Savageduck wrote: > >> Wih my iPhones on Verizon it is simple enought to go to >> "Settings->"Privacy"(scroll to the bottom)->"Diagnostics & Usage" there >> you find that it is Apple, not Verizon requesting the data. You have >> the options to "Send Automatically" or "Don't Send". You are free to >> choose whichever you want. > > Thank you for that information about disabling the diagnostics sending by > Apple on a Verizon iPhone. > > It seems there are *multiple* places where stock Android/iOS phones send > "diagnostic" information to the mother ship, which I propose that we > should > all know about. > > In this case, there are two categories of mother ships: > - The platform (e.g., Apple & Google) > - The carriers (e.g., Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T, Sprint, etc.) > >> At the bottom of that settings window you will find the current status >> and a tap selection to view the currently accumulated "Diagnostics & >> Usage Data". > > That's nice that you can actually *see* the data that will be sent back to > the mother ship (in your case, back to Apple). > > That's akin to my turning off Google diagnostics, which is pretty easy to > turn off - but you have to *know* where the settings are, since they're > scattered all about. Nope, its disabled by default, troll. > That's why I opened *separate* threads on turning off the various > diagnostics mechanisms. > > I think I've disabled the T-mobile diagnostic software, for example. > Do you think that you've disabled the Verizon diagnostic collection? There is no CARRIER diagnostic collection to disable on current iphones, troll.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 17:02 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e4epjfF95l2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34533 |
Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote > Do you turn off your carrier diagnostics collection on your cell phone? > http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png Nope, I'm not that stupid. > I don't have an iOS phone, but, monthly, I reset > my T-Mobile Android phone to factory defaults. > http://i.cubeupload.com/K0KITq.png More fool you. > Invariably, the question comes up by T-Mobile diagnostic software > of whether I want the cellular carrier to collect diagnostics, or not: > http://i.cubeupload.com/AgFoIL.png > When I press for "more information", I'm taken to this web page: > https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-2929 > Which explains: > "What types of information does T-Mobile collect? > Device signal strength > System crashes > Dropped calls records > Battery performance > Application usage" > That web page suggests I download this T-Mobile app: > http://www.t-mobile.com/landing/download-t-mobile-app.html > Which I never do because I already have the T-Mobile > "System Manager Application", which says: > "This software collects diagnostic data..." > http://i.cubeupload.com/YmIxZZ.png > To disable data collection, go to: > Settings > Accounts > BAckup and reset > Collect Diagnostics > Turn off the checkbox "Allow Diagnostics" > http://i.cubeupload.com/f166HH.png > *My question for Android users:* > Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software? > http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png I'm not that stupid. > My question for iOS users: > Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones? Nope.
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| From | tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 03:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3n0affzu9tp9.1unzkdn2cuklx.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #34533 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 05:02:01 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote: > Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software? On my VZW-branded Moto Droid X2 there's no option to turn that on or off. HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp (Android v. 2.3.5) -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
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| From | Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 07:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nrtdtt$ec$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34553 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 03:25:32 -0400, tlvp wrote: > On my VZW-branded Moto Droid X2 there's no option to turn that on or off. Thank you for both *understanding* the question, and answering it like an adult should. I am only familiar with T-Mobile diagnostic services. You are on Verizon. I wasn't sure from your response whether you were saying that Verizon doesn't bother to *collect* the diagnostic data - or - if you were saying that Verizon *does* collect the data - and that you were not able to turn that collection off. In short, can you clarify if you were saying that Verizon doesn't have the data-collection software? Or if you were saying Verizon does have the data-collection software - but you can't turn off the data collection like you can with T-mobile?
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| From | tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 21:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <d1e1oneiie9v$.1kiemw3ksmkwz.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #34555 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 07:47:11 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote: > You are on Verizon. Actually, on Page Plus (a Verizon MVNO). > I wasn't sure from your response whether you were saying that Verizon > doesn't bother to *collect* the diagnostic data - or - if you were saying > that Verizon *does* collect the data - and that you were not able to turn > that collection off. I said I could find "no option to turn that" [data collection] "on or off." I said nothing about whether Verizon does or does not collect -- or transmit -- diagnostic data, because I have found nothing out either way. HTH. And please don't try to read more information between my lines than I explicitly convey in my lines -- it just ain't there :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 22:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ns1mqr$rks$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34603 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:50:01 -0400, tlvp wrote: > I said I could find "no option to turn that" [data collection] "on or off." > > I said nothing about whether Verizon does or does not collect -- or > transmit -- diagnostic data, because I have found nothing out either way. Drat. In that case, it tells us absolutely nothing, other than the *option* doesn't seem to exist, but it doesn't tell us whether the data collection exists or not. Thanks. At least on "my" phone, I can turn it off easily. In fact, it's easy to turn off almost all the data collection that is going on.
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 11:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <210920161109327660%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #34533 |
Horace Algier: > Do you turn off your carrier diagnostics collection on your cell phone? No. Fortunately, there is no history of mental illness in my family, no paranoia. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nruf60$1r7o$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34561 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:09:32 -0400, Davoud wrote: > Fortunately, there is no history of mental illness in my famil Somehow, no matter *what* the subject matter is, you consistently prove that you're a kook who can't add any value to *any* discussion. Anyway, it seems that *most* carriers and *both* major platforms (i.e., both Apple & Google) seems to have employed carrier-diagnostic software initially created by a Silicon Valley company called "Carrier IQ". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_IQ On December 1, 2011, AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile confirmed that "Carrier IQ" was on their phones. Verizon was the only one of the four biggest U.S. firms to say it was not installed on their phones. Apple, HTC, and Samsung said the Carrier IQ diagnostic software was installed on their phones. Apple said it had quit supporting the application in iOS 5. It said, "With any diagnostic data sent to Apple, customers must actively opt-in to share this information and Apple said it would scrub the software from phones in some future release. As Savageduck and tlvp found out for Verizon "The IQ Agent software runs in the background, and the user is not usually aware of its presence unless the implementation includes an on-off switch". Luckily T-Mobile includes that opt-out switch on all their Android phones. I'm not sure yet if anyone here has an iPhone with T-Mobile who can see if they can opt out of the Carrier IQ Agent data gathering. The software is on over a hundred million smart phones according to the Wikipedia article as Carrier IQ acts as a diagnostic agent for the mobile carrier operators. Their value equation to the mobile carriers is "real time" collection of data: "Carrier IQ’s Mobile Service Intelligence solution eliminates guesswork by automatically providing accurate, real-time data direct from the source – your customers' handsets." I don't know of any Apple software to detect "Carrier IQ", but, there is an Android app on Google Play which does not require rooting that will identify the app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lookout.carrieriqdetector&hl=en CarrierIQ Scanner & Protection by Lookout Labs I created a bogus Google Play account, and ran the software and it detected Carrier IQ software on my mobile handset, but it can't detect wither I've adequately disabled it yet (that's where the T-mobile opt-out instructions apply).
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 13:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <210920161335379269%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #34564 |
In article <nruf60$1r7o$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote: > Apple, HTC, and Samsung said the Carrier IQ diagnostic software was > installed on their phones. Apple said it had quit supporting the > application in iOS 5. ... > I don't know of any Apple software to detect "Carrier IQ", what part of "it had quit supporting the application in iOS 5" is not clear? ios is up to version *10* now, so apple nixed it *five* years ago.
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 18:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nrui33$i4$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34569 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:35:37 -0400, nospam wrote: > what part of "it had quit supporting the application in iOS 5" is not > clear? > > ios is up to version *10* now, so apple nixed it *five* years ago. This thread is about recognizing and disabling *carrier diagnostics* reporting, and as such, it applies to both Apple & Google based phones. While CIQ first appeared in iOS 3.1.3, you have already said that *all* carriers perform the diagnostics, and presumably you meant on all platforms today, including both iOS & Android. I have shown that T-Mobile uses specific software which, luckily, can be easily turned off, if you know how to turn it off. CIQ (which is now owned by AT&T) is only *one* of the software packages that Apple and the carriers (AT&T, T-Mobile, and SPrint - but not Verizon) used. It seems, based on what Savageduck wrote, all it takes to disable *Apple* diagnostics is to jump into Settings/About/Diagnostics & Usage, and change the setting to ´Donÿt send.¡ But what about the *carrier* diagnostics? (e.g., T-Mobile, Sprint, AT&T, etc.)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 14:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <210920161415554302%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #34576 |
In article <nrui33$i4$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote: > > > what part of "it had quit supporting the application in iOS 5" is not > > clear? > > > > ios is up to version *10* now, so apple nixed it *five* years ago. > > This thread is about recognizing and disabling *carrier diagnostics* > reporting, and as such, it applies to both Apple & Google based phones. no it is't. it's about yet another troll. > While CIQ first appeared in iOS 3.1.3, you have already said that *all* > carriers perform the diagnostics, and presumably you meant on all platforms > today, including both iOS & Android. i'm talking about *today*, not what happened *seven* years ago. > I have shown that T-Mobile uses specific software which, luckily, can be > easily turned off, if you know how to turn it off. not all of it, you can't. > CIQ (which is now owned by AT&T) is only *one* of the software packages > that Apple and the carriers (AT&T, T-Mobile, and SPrint - but not Verizon) > used. used, as in past tense. ciq hasn't been on iphones in five years. > It seems, based on what Savageduck wrote, all it takes to disable *Apple* > diagnostics is to jump into Settings/About/Diagnostics & Usage, and change > the setting to ´Donÿt send.¡ that's ios diagnostics, not carrier diagnostics. > But what about the *carrier* diagnostics? (e.g., T-Mobile, Sprint, AT&T, > etc.) that can't be disabled, nor should it, because it's vital for the carriers to detect problems and fix them.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 04:27 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e4g206FipflU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34576 |
Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote > nospam wrote >> what part of "it had quit supporting the application in iOS 5" is not >> clear? >> ios is up to version *10* now, so apple nixed it *five* years ago. > This thread is about recognizing and disabling *carrier diagnostics* > reporting, and as such, it applies to both Apple & Google based phones. Not when there isnt anything like that with current iphones. > While CIQ first appeared in iOS 3.1.3, you have already > said that *all* carriers perform the diagnostics, He never said it was done IN THE PHONE, fuckwit troll. > and presumably you meant on all platforms > today, including both iOS & Android. Even sillier than you usually manage. > I have shown that T-Mobile uses specific software which, > luckily, can be easily turned off, if you know how to turn it off. Nothing to turn off with iphones, it isnt there, fuckwit troll. > CIQ (which is now owned by AT&T) is only *one* > of the software packages that Apple and the carriers > (AT&T, T-Mobile, and SPrint - but not Verizon) used. > It seems, based on what Savageduck wrote, all it takes to disable > *Apple* diagnostics is to jump into Settings/About/Diagnostics > & Usage, and change the setting to ´Donÿt send.¡ Don’t even need to do that, ITS OFF BY DEFAULT, fuckwit troll. > But what about the *carrier* diagnostics? (e.g., T-Mobile, Sprint, AT&T, > etc.) There isnt any on iphones, fuckwit troll.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 03:59 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e4g0cgFickmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34564 |
Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote > Davoud wrote >> Fortunately, there is no history of mental illness in my famil > Somehow, no matter *what* the subject matter is, you consistently > prove that you're a kook who can't add any value to *any* discussion. Lying thru your fucking teeth, as always. > Anyway, it seems that *most* carriers and *both* major platforms > (i.e., both Apple & Google) seems to have employed carrier-diagnostic > software initially created by a Silicon Valley company called "Carrier > IQ". > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_IQ But nothing gets sent to the carrier with an iphone. > On December 1, 2011, AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile confirmed that > "Carrier IQ" was on their phones. Verizon was the only one of the > four biggest U.S. firms to say it was not installed on their phones. It isnt on anyone's iphone now. > Apple, HTC, and Samsung said the Carrier IQ diagnostic software > was installed on their phones. Apple said it had quit supporting the > application in iOS 5. It said, "With any diagnostic data sent to Apple, > customers must actively opt-in to share this information and Apple > said it would scrub the software from phones in some future release. > As Savageduck and tlvp found out for Verizon > "The IQ Agent software runs in the background, Not on current iphones it doesn’t. > and the user is not usually aware of its presence unless > the implementation includes an on-off switch". > Luckily T-Mobile includes that opt-out switch on all their Android > phones. I'm not sure yet if anyone here has an iPhone with T-Mobile > who can see if they can opt out of the Carrier IQ Agent data gathering. There is no CARRIER IQ Agent data gathering on current iphones. > The software is on over a hundred million smart phones > according to the Wikipedia article as Carrier IQ acts as a > diagnostic agent for the mobile carrier operators. Not on current iphones. > Their value equation to the mobile carriers is "real time" collection > of data: "Carrier IQ¡¦s Mobile Service Intelligence solution eliminates > guesswork by automatically providing accurate, real-time data direct > from the source ¡V your customers' handsets." Not on current iphones. > I don't know of any Apple software to detect "Carrier IQ", It aint there to detect on current iphones. > but, there is an Android app on Google Play which > does not require rooting that will identify the app: > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lookout.carrieriqdetector&hl=en > CarrierIQ Scanner & Protection by Lookout Labs > I created a bogus Google Play account, and ran the software > and it detected Carrier IQ software on my mobile handset, Yep, droids are steaming turds wrt the security of your personal data. > but it can't detect wither I've adequately disabled it yet > (that's where the T-mobile opt-out instructions apply). Yep, droids are steaming turds wrt the security of your personal data.
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