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  Unlocked == Rooted? "tb" <nospam@example.invalid> - 2016-07-18 23:16 +0000
    Re: Unlocked == Rooted? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 19:17 -0400
      Re: Unlocked == Rooted? crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-19 07:53 -0600
        Re: Unlocked == Rooted? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-07-19 15:40 +0100
    Re: Unlocked == Rooted? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 00:42 +0000
      Re: Unlocked == Rooted? tb <nospam@example.invalid> - 2016-07-18 22:41 -0500
      Re: Unlocked == Rooted? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-07-19 07:30 +0100
        Re: Unlocked == Rooted? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 23:00 +0000
      Re: Unlocked == Rooted? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-20 05:32 -0400
        Re: Unlocked == Rooted? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 09:54 -0400
          Re: Unlocked == Rooted? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-22 03:01 -0400
      Re: Unlocked == Rooted? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-07-22 21:21 +0200
    Re: Unlocked == Rooted? Dave Doe <hard@work.ok> - 2016-07-19 14:20 +1200
      Re: Unlocked == Rooted? tb <nospam@example.invalid> - 2016-07-18 22:41 -0500
    Re: Unlocked == Rooted? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-07-18 22:37 -0500
      Re: Unlocked == Rooted? tb <nospam@example.invalid> - 2016-07-18 22:41 -0500
    Re: Unlocked == Rooted? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-07-22 21:19 +0200

#32130 — Unlocked == Rooted?

I bought an unlocked cell phone.  Does it mean that it is rooted?
I other words, are the terms "Unlocked" and "Rooted" equivalent?

-- 
tb

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#32131

In article <xn0k8nhuamrn7r000@reader.albasani.net>, tb
<nospam@example.invalid> wrote:

> I bought an unlocked cell phone.  Does it mean that it is rooted?
> I other words, are the terms "Unlocked" and "Rooted" equivalent?

no

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#32227

nospam wrote:

> In article <xn0k8nhuamrn7r000@reader.albasani.net>, tb
> <nospam@example.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> I bought an unlocked cell phone.  Does it mean that it is rooted?
>> I other words, are the terms "Unlocked" and "Rooted" equivalent?
> 
> no

In my dictionary "unlocked" means you can use any carrier, and "rooted" 
means you can dick around with system files and brick your phone.

-- 
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  [Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]

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#32231

crankypuss wrote:

> In my dictionary "unlocked" means you can use any carrier

along with such a "sim lock" some phones also have a "boot loader lock" 
which can be easily undone to allow you to replace the firmware, but 
which cannot be re-locked to deny you dicked around with it.

[though there may be exploits that allow rooting without unlocking the 
bootloader, or relocking it afterwards]

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#32152

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:16:38 +0000 (UTC), tb wrote:

> I bought an unlocked cell phone.  Does it mean that it is rooted?
> I other words, are the terms "Unlocked" and "Rooted" equivalent?

I'm not the expert, but here's how I understand it:

1. Locked = the carrier (e.g., T-Mobile, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc.),
locks the phone so that it can only be used on their network (or via
roaming to their service).

2. Unlocked = the carrier unlocks the phone, so that it can be used on
*any* network that it has the radio for (generally that's a complex subject
but to simplify, there is GSM and CDMA).

3. Rooted = you installed a custom Android such that you have complete
privileges since you're the "root" administrator.

That's off the cuff.

For the official answers, look here:
http://www.howtogeek.com/135663/htg-explains-whats-the-difference-between-jailbreaking-rooting-and-unlocking/

And, if you want to know about rooting versus jailbreaking, look here:
https://www.androidpit.com/jailbreak-android
http://spyappsmobile.com/rooting-vs-jailbreaking/

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#32172

On 07/18/2016 07:42 PM, Aardvarks wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:16:38 +0000 (UTC), tb wrote:
>
>> I bought an unlocked cell phone.  Does it mean that it is rooted?
>> I other words, are the terms "Unlocked" and "Rooted" equivalent?
>
> I'm not the expert, but here's how I understand it:
>
> 1. Locked = the carrier (e.g., T-Mobile, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc.),
> locks the phone so that it can only be used on their network (or via
> roaming to their service).
>
> 2. Unlocked = the carrier unlocks the phone, so that it can be used on
> *any* network that it has the radio for (generally that's a complex subject
> but to simplify, there is GSM and CDMA).
>
> 3. Rooted = you installed a custom Android such that you have complete
> privileges since you're the "root" administrator.
>
> That's off the cuff.
>
> For the official answers, look here:
> http://www.howtogeek.com/135663/htg-explains-whats-the-difference-between-jailbreaking-rooting-and-unlocking/
>
> And, if you want to know about rooting versus jailbreaking, look here:
> https://www.androidpit.com/jailbreak-android
> http://spyappsmobile.com/rooting-vs-jailbreaking/
>
Thanks for the links!
-- 
tb

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#32205

in 32354 20160719 014214 Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:16:38 +0000 (UTC), tb wrote:
>
>> I bought an unlocked cell phone.  Does it mean that it is rooted?
>> I other words, are the terms "Unlocked" and "Rooted" equivalent?
>
>I'm not the expert, but here's how I understand it:
>
>1. Locked = the carrier (e.g., T-Mobile, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc.),
>locks the phone so that it can only be used on their network (or via
>roaming to their service).
>
>2. Unlocked = the carrier unlocks the phone, so that it can be used on
>*any* network that it has the radio for (generally that's a complex subject
>but to simplify, there is GSM and CDMA).
>
>3. Rooted = you installed a custom Android such that you have complete
>privileges since you're the "root" administrator.
>
>That's off the cuff.

Number 3 is wrong, rooted & custom ROM are not the same thing.
You can root the stock ROM or have an unrooted custom ROM.

>
>For the official answers, look here:
>http://www.howtogeek.com/135663/htg-explains-whats-the-difference-between-jailbreaking-rooting-and-u
>nlocking/
>
>And, if you want to know about rooting versus jailbreaking, look here:
>https://www.androidpit.com/jailbreak-android
>http://spyappsmobile.com/rooting-vs-jailbreaking/

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#32267

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:30:49 BST, Bob Martin wrote:

> Number 3 is wrong, rooted & custom ROM are not the same thing.
> You can root the stock ROM or have an unrooted custom ROM.

Thanks for clarifying.
I didn't actually *read* the reference as I was just answering off the cuff
for the OP.

I appreciate the correction!

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#32346

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 00:42:14 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> here's how I understand it:
> 
> 1. Locked = the carrier (e.g., T-Mobile, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc.),
> locks the phone so that it can only be used on their network (or via
> roaming to their service).

Clarification: SIM-locked = the carrier providing the phone has arranged
that that phone will only accept a SIM for that carrier's service, not a
SIM from any other carrier. (A SIM-unlock code, or SUK, is a code that the
carrier (or other agencies) can provide to defeat the SIM-lock.)

Illustration: if you put an active AT&T SIM into a T-Mobile SIM-locked
handset, you'll get no service, even if you're in an area where an AT&T
handset with that SIM would be able to roam onto the T-Mobile network.

HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#32355

In article <1ppyo5f90k2y1$.gwvfq4mfgvep$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> 
> > here's how I understand it:
> > 
> > 1. Locked = the carrier (e.g., T-Mobile, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc.),
> > locks the phone so that it can only be used on their network (or via
> > roaming to their service).
> 
> Clarification: SIM-locked = the carrier providing the phone has arranged
> that that phone will only accept a SIM for that carrier's service, not a
> SIM from any other carrier. (A SIM-unlock code, or SUK, is a code that the
> carrier (or other agencies) can provide to defeat the SIM-lock.)

as usual, you're lost.

sim-locking is when the sim is locked to a particular phone and can't
be swapped to another phone. this is often done with prepaid phones
when a credit is included in the price so that people don't buy the
phone just for the credit and then use the sim in a different phone.

carrier locked, also called subsidy locked, is when a phone is locked
to a particular carrier because its price was highly discounted by the
carrier with a 2-year contract. inserting a foreign sim will generate
an error or simply say no service. unlocking the phone requires the
carrier to provide an unlock code (never called suk) or whitelist the
imei in their system, which later gets pushed to the phone.

there is also a sim pin code, sometimes called a puk (for personal
unlock code), which prevents the sim itself from being used in any
phone, but that's not commonly used anymore.

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#32552

On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:54:19 -0400, nospam wrote:

> In article <1ppyo5f90k2y1$.gwvfq4mfgvep$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
> <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
> 
>> ... [details omitted as irrelevant to what follows] ...
> 
> as usual, you're lost.
> 
> sim-locking is when the sim is locked to a particular phone and can't
> be swapped to another phone. this is often done with prepaid phones
> when a credit is included in the price so that people don't buy the
> phone just for the credit and then use the sim in a different phone.
> 
> carrier locked, also called subsidy locked, is when a phone is locked
> to a particular carrier because its price was highly discounted by the
> carrier with a 2-year contract. inserting a foreign sim will generate
> an error or simply say no service. unlocking the phone requires the
> carrier to provide an unlock code (never called suk) or whitelist the
> imei in their system, which later gets pushed to the phone.
> 
> there is also a sim pin code, sometimes called a puk (for personal
> unlock code), which prevents the sim itself from being used in any
> phone, but that's not commonly used anymore.

Oh, can the spam, nospam :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#32589

Aardvarks, 2016-07-19 02:42:

> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:16:38 +0000 (UTC), tb wrote:
> 
>> I bought an unlocked cell phone.  Does it mean that it is rooted?
>> I other words, are the terms "Unlocked" and "Rooted" equivalent?
> 
> I'm not the expert, but here's how I understand it:
> 
> 1. Locked = the carrier (e.g., T-Mobile, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc.),
> locks the phone so that it can only be used on their network (or via
> roaming to their service).
> 
> 2. Unlocked = the carrier unlocks the phone, so that it can be used on
> *any* network that it has the radio for (generally that's a complex subject
> but to simplify, there is GSM and CDMA).
> 
> 3. Rooted = you installed a custom Android such that you have complete
> privileges since you're the "root" administrator.

Genereally this is correct - but on some devices you can install a
custom Android version but you are still not "root". "root" has to be
provided by the custom Android version by providing the "su" binary and
some app to control it like superSU. Some people just flash other
Android versions to get the latest updates and not to get root acess.


-- 
Arno Welzel
http://arnowelzel.de
http://de-rec-fahrrad.de
http://fahrradzukunft.de

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#32162

In article <xn0k8nhuamrn7r000@reader.albasani.net>, 
nospam@example.invalid, tb says...
> 
> I bought an unlocked cell phone.  Does it mean that it is rooted?
> I other words, are the terms "Unlocked" and "Rooted" equivalent?

No, for your purposes it means you can put different carrier SIM's into 
the phone (your not locked into a carrier, eg AT&T etc)

-- 
Duncan.

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#32173

On 07/18/2016 09:20 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
> In article <xn0k8nhuamrn7r000@reader.albasani.net>,
> nospam@example.invalid, tb says...
>>
>> I bought an unlocked cell phone.  Does it mean that it is rooted?
>> I other words, are the terms "Unlocked" and "Rooted" equivalent?
>
> No, for your purposes it means you can put different carrier SIM's into
> the phone (your not locked into a carrier, eg AT&T etc)
>
I see.  Thanks for the explanation.

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#32171

tb wrote:

> I bought an unlocked cell phone.  Does it mean that it is rooted?
> I other words, are the terms "Unlocked" and "Rooted" equivalent?

http://www.cnet.com/news/confused-about-locked-vs-unlocked-phones-ask-maggie-explains/

http://forums.androidcentral.com/software-development-hacking/4654-what-does-rooting-your-phone-actually-mean.html
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-root-android/

The video tells how to enable Developer Options in the Settings app.
I've used that, for example, to look at Process stats (about running
processes).  Unlike Windows, Android will take care of closing idle apps
when it needs more memory, so app exit is usually not an option within
an app but there are utility, security, or battery saver apps that will
let you stop all currently running apps (but some will restart
themselves).  

According to one article, to get rid of the Developer Options entry in
the Settings list has you:
1. Open the Settings app.
2. Tap on Application Manager to open it.
3. Swipe from right to left to scroll through the panes until you see 
   the All Applications column.
4. Scroll down (way down) to tap on the Settings app in the list.
5. In its properties dialog, tap on the Clear Data button.
6. Supposedly the Developer Options will then disappear from the 
   Settings app.
Didn't work for me.  The Clear Data button was greyed out in step 5 for
me.  The Developer Options are still there.  The other remedy to remove
Developer Options from the Settings app is to reset the cell phone.
That means wiping all data and installed apps on the internal (main)
memory.  Data on the external SD card will remain untouched.  Ain't
gonna do dat.  I'll just have to remember to be damn careful in there.
There is stuff in there that is dangerous and, to me, unknown.  I have
not had the time or inclination yet to educate myself in the Android OS.

Besides the handy "Process stats" option to show me the running
processes, there is a "Stay Awake" option that says NOT to sleep the
screen (hence avoid the lockscreen) while charging.  I'm charging at
home or using a power bank that I'm toting along on a long flight so my
phone is always in my sight and physically controlled.  So it might be
handy not to have to unlock the screen while at home when the phone is
sitting in a cradle getting charged.  No kids or nosy adults to worry
about there.  Charging will likely take more time but the difference of
half an hour over many hours will be unnoticeable since most of that
time I'll be sleeping.

Another option in there is "Show touches".  A small translucent circle
appears showing where it touched the screen.  Looks handy in knowing
just where you touched.  Sometimes I'll touch, nothing happens, and then
I'll touch again not realizing that the center point of my touch surface
isn't where I thought it was.

All the other stuff in there I am ignorant about.  Maybe one day I'll
play with being a superuser (be root user) but that'll be after the
warranty expires.  Probably a long time after that.  Won't happen until
I get another cell phone so I can afford to sacrifice one to
experimentation.

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#32174

On 07/18/2016 10:37 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> tb wrote:
>
>> I bought an unlocked cell phone.  Does it mean that it is rooted?
>> I other words, are the terms "Unlocked" and "Rooted" equivalent?
>
> http://www.cnet.com/news/confused-about-locked-vs-unlocked-phones-ask-maggie-explains/
>
> http://forums.androidcentral.com/software-development-hacking/4654-what-does-rooting-your-phone-actually-mean.html
> http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-root-android/
>
> The video tells how to enable Developer Options in the Settings app.
> I've used that, for example, to look at Process stats (about running
> processes).  Unlike Windows, Android will take care of closing idle apps
> when it needs more memory, so app exit is usually not an option within
> an app but there are utility, security, or battery saver apps that will
> let you stop all currently running apps (but some will restart
> themselves).
>
> According to one article, to get rid of the Developer Options entry in
> the Settings list has you:
> 1. Open the Settings app.
> 2. Tap on Application Manager to open it.
> 3. Swipe from right to left to scroll through the panes until you see
>    the All Applications column.
> 4. Scroll down (way down) to tap on the Settings app in the list.
> 5. In its properties dialog, tap on the Clear Data button.
> 6. Supposedly the Developer Options will then disappear from the
>    Settings app.
> Didn't work for me.  The Clear Data button was greyed out in step 5 for
> me.  The Developer Options are still there.  The other remedy to remove
> Developer Options from the Settings app is to reset the cell phone.
> That means wiping all data and installed apps on the internal (main)
> memory.  Data on the external SD card will remain untouched.  Ain't
> gonna do dat.  I'll just have to remember to be damn careful in there.
> There is stuff in there that is dangerous and, to me, unknown.  I have
> not had the time or inclination yet to educate myself in the Android OS.
>
> Besides the handy "Process stats" option to show me the running
> processes, there is a "Stay Awake" option that says NOT to sleep the
> screen (hence avoid the lockscreen) while charging.  I'm charging at
> home or using a power bank that I'm toting along on a long flight so my
> phone is always in my sight and physically controlled.  So it might be
> handy not to have to unlock the screen while at home when the phone is
> sitting in a cradle getting charged.  No kids or nosy adults to worry
> about there.  Charging will likely take more time but the difference of
> half an hour over many hours will be unnoticeable since most of that
> time I'll be sleeping.
>
> Another option in there is "Show touches".  A small translucent circle
> appears showing where it touched the screen.  Looks handy in knowing
> just where you touched.  Sometimes I'll touch, nothing happens, and then
> I'll touch again not realizing that the center point of my touch surface
> isn't where I thought it was.
>
> All the other stuff in there I am ignorant about.  Maybe one day I'll
> play with being a superuser (be root user) but that'll be after the
> warranty expires.  Probably a long time after that.  Won't happen until
> I get another cell phone so I can afford to sacrifice one to
> experimentation.
>
Thanks for the links!

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#32588

tb, 2016-07-19 01:16:

> I bought an unlocked cell phone.  Does it mean that it is rooted?
> I other words, are the terms "Unlocked" and "Rooted" equivalent?

No. "Unlocked" means, there is no provider lock - so you can use the
phone with any provider.

"Rooted" means, the program "su" is installed including a controlling
app like SuperSU to run apps as "root" privileges (like running a
program as an elevated administrator in Windows or "root" in Linux).


-- 
Arno Welzel
http://arnowelzel.de
http://de-rec-fahrrad.de
http://fahrradzukunft.de

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