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  Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 10:17 +0200
    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? madodel ptd News <madodel@ptd.net> - 2015-07-22 08:36 -0400
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:15 -0400
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:33 -0400
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 16:43 +0200
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:53 -0400
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 17:02 +0200
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:37 -0400
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:36 -0400
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:34 -0400
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 09:43 +1000
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:30 -0400
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:57 -0400
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 15:58 -0400
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 18:54 -0400
                  Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:44 -0400
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 16:39 +0200
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:39 -0400
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 04:21 -0400
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 16:37 +0200
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? madodel ptd News <madodel@ptd.net> - 2015-07-22 12:01 -0400
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:43 -0400
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:57 -0400
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 16:06 -0400
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 18:54 -0400
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 14:40 -0400
                  Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 12:24 -0700
                    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 17:06 -0400
                    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 09:57 +0200
                  Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:45 -0400
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:45 -0400
                  Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 10:01 +0200
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam> - 2015-07-22 15:25 -0400
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? madodel ptd News <madodel@ptd.net> - 2015-07-23 14:22 -0400
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 00:14 -0700
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? madodel ptd News <madodel@ptd.net> - 2015-07-24 08:07 -0400
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 18:02 -0400
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-24 14:38 +0200
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-24 18:20 +0000
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 18:10 -0400
                  Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-26 18:21 +0000
                    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 09:02 +1000
                    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 10:06 +0200
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 18:06 -0400
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 10:23 +0200
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 18:09 -0400
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 10:12 +0200
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 09:38 +0200
                  Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 20:33 +1000
                    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-30 17:25 +0200
                      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 07:28 +1000
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 15:50 -0400
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:18 +0000
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 18:00 -0400
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 11:13 +0200
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 10:30 +0200
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:47 -0400
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 18:13 -0400
    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:18 -0400
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:33 -0400
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 16:49 +0200
    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:40 +1000
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-23 17:29 +0000
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-24 18:11 +0000
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-24 14:47 +0200
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 09:47 +0200
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 20:43 +1000
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 09:50 +0200
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-07-28 12:21 +0100
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 20:44 +1000

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#21119 — Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy?

Am 21.07.2015 um 17:26 schrieb M.L.:

> The data and sms are using roaming for free, both being unlimited

That's quite nice, wish we had such contracts over here as well (without 
prohibiting monthly charges).

> (but in
> Europe the data is slower than it would be here in the USA).

What data speeds do you get in the US? Here in Germany at least we have 
almost everywhere these days at least 50MBit/s, in most city areas even 
150MBit/s or above. Larger cities should even support up to 300MBit/s 
(but that's currently only being ramped up). Nevertheless, please bear 
in mind that there are not that many devices out there yet supporting 
such speeds, and most (non-business = cheap) contracts in Germany limit 
the speed to either 7.2MBit/s or 21 MBit/s.

If you want to take a look for yourself, please take a look (for 
T-Mobile) at 
<https://www.t-mobile.de/netzausbau/0,25250,15400-_,00.html>. The 
coverage of the two other German providers is rather similar for all I know.

Best regards,

Michael

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#21120

On 7/22/15 4:17 AM, Michael Eyd wrote:
> Am 21.07.2015 um 17:26 schrieb M.L.:
>
>> The data and sms are using roaming for free, both being unlimited
>
> That's quite nice, wish we had such contracts over here as well (without
> prohibiting monthly charges).
>
>> (but in
>> Europe the data is slower than it would be here in the USA).
>
> What data speeds do you get in the US? Here in Germany at least we have
> almost everywhere these days at least 50MBit/s, in most city areas even
> 150MBit/s or above. Larger cities should even support up to 300MBit/s (but
> that's currently only being ramped up). Nevertheless, please bear in mind
> that there are not that many devices out there yet supporting such speeds,
> and most (non-business = cheap) contracts in Germany limit the speed to
> either 7.2MBit/s or 21 MBit/s.
>
> If you want to take a look for yourself, please take a look (for T-Mobile)
> at <https://www.t-mobile.de/netzausbau/0,25250,15400-_,00.html>. The
> coverage of the two other German providers is rather similar for all I know.
>

In Germany is there a charge for receiving International (from US) SMS text 
messages?  Here in the US, you are charged for all SMS messages (received 
as well as sent) unless you have unlimited texting plan, which we have with 
our AT&T plan.  But will our daughter be charged if we text her and instead 
of going through as an iMessage it goes through as SMS?  She is planning on 
probably getting T-Mobile SIM (using her unlocked iPhone 5S), either a 1 
year contract or a pre-paid since she is going to be in Germany for a year.

Mark

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#21124

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:36:56 -0400, madodel ptd News wrote:

> She is planning on probably getting T-Mobile SIM (using her unlocked
> iPhone 5S), either a 1 year contract or a pre-paid since she is going to
> be in Germany for a year.

I may be wrong, but, as far as I know, T-mobile doesn't even offer a 
"contract". It's all month-to-month (at least all my T-mobile plans were 
and are).

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#21130

In article
<8cf85$55afa581$43da7656$2630@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, M.L.
<me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> I may be wrong, but, as far as I know, T-mobile doesn't even offer a 
> "contract". It's all month-to-month (at least all my T-mobile plans were 
> and are).

the phone purchase is under contract (unless you bring your own). the
service is not.

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#21135

Am 22.07.2015 um 16:33 schrieb nospam:
> In article
> <8cf85$55afa581$43da7656$2630@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, M.L.
> <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I may be wrong, but, as far as I know, T-mobile doesn't even offer a
>> "contract". It's all month-to-month (at least all my T-mobile plans were
>> and are).
>
> the phone purchase is under contract (unless you bring your own). the
> service is not.

The service can be under contract (and with T-Mobile mostly is), or it 
can be pre-paid (called Xtra at T-Mobile's). If you want a 'subsidized' 
(in the end you usually pay more than buying the phones separately from 
a cheap dealer) phone, you're basically forced to go for a contract, 
though. At least with T-Mobile. Other German operators might be a bit 
more flexible there...

Best regards,

Michael

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#21137

In article <mooa6q$6r7$1@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
wrote:

> >> I may be wrong, but, as far as I know, T-mobile doesn't even offer a
> >> "contract". It's all month-to-month (at least all my T-mobile plans were
> >> and are).
> >
> > the phone purchase is under contract (unless you bring your own). the
> > service is not.
> 
> The service can be under contract (and with T-Mobile mostly is),

mostly it is *not*. that's their whole shtick, no contracts.

the service is month to month, cancel at any time, but if you buy a
phone on a payment plan, *that* is a contract, entirely separate from
the service.

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#21139

Am 22.07.2015 um 16:53 schrieb nospam:
> In article <mooa6q$6r7$1@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
> wrote:
>
>>>> I may be wrong, but, as far as I know, T-mobile doesn't even offer a
>>>> "contract". It's all month-to-month (at least all my T-mobile plans were
>>>> and are).
>>>
>>> the phone purchase is under contract (unless you bring your own). the
>>> service is not.
>>
>> The service can be under contract (and with T-Mobile mostly is),
>
> mostly it is *not*. that's their whole shtick, no contracts.
>
> the service is month to month, cancel at any time, but if you buy a
> phone on a payment plan, *that* is a contract, entirely separate from
> the service.

I don't know which country you're talking about, but here in Germany 
(and that's the country the original question was about) T-Mobile 
definitively sells much more contracts than pre-paid cards.

Best regards,

Michael

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#21153

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:02:49 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

> I don't know which country you're talking about, but here in Germany
> (and that's the country the original question was about) T-Mobile
> definitively sells much more contracts than pre-paid cards.

Oh. Yes. This is a good point. I was talking about T-mobile in the USA 
when I said there are no contracts, but, you are totally correct and on 
topic when you say that T-mobile in Germany will probably require a  
contract.

Thank you for pointing that out, as you are wonderfully on topic (I was 
led astray).

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#21152

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:53:58 -0400, nospam wrote:

> mostly it is *not*. that's their whole shtick, no contracts.
> 
> the service is month to month, cancel at any time, but if you buy a
> phone on a payment plan, *that* is a contract, entirely separate from
> the service.

Yes. Exactly what he said. 
I didn't think T-mobile even *did* service contracts anymore.

You simply call them up and get service, and you call them up and drop 
service whenever you want.

Likewise, you simply pop their SIM card into any GSM phone you want, and 
it just works. There's no need to even *tell* them what phone you're 
using. I certainly don't. 

Of course, I know they know (from the IMEI); but the point is they don't 
care what phone you use.

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#21151

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:43:38 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

> The service can be under contract (and with T-Mobile mostly is), or it
> can be pre-paid (called Xtra at T-Mobile's). If you want a 'subsidized'
> (in the end you usually pay more than buying the phones separately from
> a cheap dealer) phone, you're basically forced to go for a contract,
> though. At least with T-Mobile. Other German operators might be a bit
> more flexible there...

Are you sure about that?
I've *never* bought a subsidized phone from T-mobile.
In fact, almost all of my phones I bought off of Google Play, but, the 
one phone I bought from T-mobile was actually "add-sidized".

(What's the opposite of subsidized?)

By that, I mean that the phone actually cost *more* than it would cost on 
the open market; but they have you pay 1/24th of the cost each month.

As I recall, the Nexus phone was about $300 on Google Play, and about 
$350 from T-mobile, but, T-mobile let you have it for the $35 tax, and 
then each month, you paid 1/24th of the remaining $350 until it was paid 
off. 

Again, no contract on the service whatsoever. If you left T-mobile, then 
you simply have to pay the remainder on the phone.

I wasn't aware that T-mobile even *offered* subsidized phones anymore.
Are you sure about that?

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#21197

"M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message 
news:7bbbf$55afd426$adb2d18a$4488@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com...
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:43:38 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:
>
>> The service can be under contract (and with T-Mobile mostly is), or it
>> can be pre-paid (called Xtra at T-Mobile's). If you want a 'subsidized'
>> (in the end you usually pay more than buying the phones separately from
>> a cheap dealer) phone, you're basically forced to go for a contract,
>> though. At least with T-Mobile. Other German operators might be a bit
>> more flexible there...
>
> Are you sure about that?
> I've *never* bought a subsidized phone from T-mobile.
> In fact, almost all of my phones I bought off of Google Play, but, the
> one phone I bought from T-mobile was actually "add-sidized".
>
> (What's the opposite of subsidized?)

Not subsidized }-)

> By that, I mean that the phone actually cost *more* than it would cost on
> the open market; but they have you pay 1/24th of the cost each month.
>
> As I recall, the Nexus phone was about $300 on Google Play, and about
> $350 from T-mobile, but, T-mobile let you have it for the $35 tax, and
> then each month, you paid 1/24th of the remaining $350 until it was paid
> off.
>
> Again, no contract on the service whatsoever. If you left T-mobile, then
> you simply have to pay the remainder on the phone.
>
> I wasn't aware that T-mobile even *offered* subsidized phones anymore.
> Are you sure about that?
> 

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#21150

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:33:33 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> I may be wrong, but, as far as I know, T-mobile doesn't even offer a
>> "contract". It's all month-to-month (at least all my T-mobile plans
>> were and are).
> 
> the phone purchase is under contract (unless you bring your own). the
> service is not.

To clarify, I *have* bought phones from T-mobile, and it's only sort of 
kind of like a contract, in that there are no termination fees.

If I were to switch to AT&T, T-mobile would just ask me for the rest of 
the money that I owe on the phone (so, yes, that's part of their 
contract, but it's a contract you can easily break with no negative 
effects).

The phone I bought was a Nexus phone, which was, as I recall, about $350, 
so, they made me pay the $35 sales tax on receipt of the phone, and then 
they charged 1/24 * $350 for the next 24 months (interest free but not 
really because the phone was only worth $300 from Google Play).

They told me if I leave their service, I simply have to pay off the 
phone, which is perfectly reasonable.

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#21159

In article
<c7bb8$55afd340$adb2d18a$4488@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, M.L.
<me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> >> I may be wrong, but, as far as I know, T-mobile doesn't even offer a
> >> "contract". It's all month-to-month (at least all my T-mobile plans
> >> were and are).
> > 
> > the phone purchase is under contract (unless you bring your own). the
> > service is not.
> 
> To clarify, I *have* bought phones from T-mobile, and it's only sort of 
> kind of like a contract, in that there are no termination fees.

not an explicit termination fee, but if you default, the device will be
blacklisted rendering it unusable.

> If I were to switch to AT&T, T-mobile would just ask me for the rest of 
> the money that I owe on the phone (so, yes, that's part of their 
> contract, but it's a contract you can easily break with no negative 
> effects).

see above. if you break the contract, the device won't do you any good
on at&t or anywhere else.

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#21165

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:57:09 -0400, nospam wrote:

> not an explicit termination fee, but if you default, the device will be
> blacklisted rendering it unusable.
> 
>> If I were to switch to AT&T, T-mobile would just ask me for the rest of
>> the money that I owe on the phone (so, yes, that's part of their
>> contract, but it's a contract you can easily break with no negative
>> effects).
> 
> see above. if you break the contract, the device won't do you any good
> on at&t or anywhere else.

I wonder about this so-called "blacklist".
Does it really exist?

While I have never had a stolen phone, I did buy an iPhone on Craigslist, 
and I called up both AT&T & T-mobile (it was the reason I left AT&T) who 
both said there is no such thing in the United States.

So, are you *sure* there is such a thing?

Mind you, it would be really *easy* to implement (just record and 
blacklist the IMEI); but both AT&T and T-mobile told me a couple of years 
ago when I bought the iPhone that there was no way they would *know* if 
it was stolen.

Given my one experience, I don't think the USA implements a blacklist.

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#21189

In article
<9ea3a$55aff5ef$adb2d18a$4488@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, M.L.
<me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> > not an explicit termination fee, but if you default, the device will be
> > blacklisted rendering it unusable.
> > 
> >> If I were to switch to AT&T, T-mobile would just ask me for the rest of
> >> the money that I owe on the phone (so, yes, that's part of their
> >> contract, but it's a contract you can easily break with no negative
> >> effects).
> > 
> > see above. if you break the contract, the device won't do you any good
> > on at&t or anywhere else.
> 
> I wonder about this so-called "blacklist".
> Does it really exist?

absolutely.

> While I have never had a stolen phone, I did buy an iPhone on Craigslist, 
> and I called up both AT&T & T-mobile (it was the reason I left AT&T) who 
> both said there is no such thing in the United States.

they lied.

> So, are you *sure* there is such a thing?

absolutely.

> Mind you, it would be really *easy* to implement (just record and 
> blacklist the IMEI); but both AT&T and T-mobile told me a couple of years 
> ago when I bought the iPhone that there was no way they would *know* if 
> it was stolen.

they lied.

until recently, the blacklists were per-carrier, so a blacklisted at&t
phone could work on t-mobile and vice versa, but now the carriers share
the list so if one blacklists it the rest know about it.

it may be possible to take a blacklisted phone overseas, however. 

> Given my one experience, I don't think the USA implements a blacklist.

they definitely do.

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#21336

In article
<71c50$55b40ccb$adb2d18a$1241@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, M.L.
<me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> > until recently, the blacklists were per-carrier, so a blacklisted at&t
> > phone could work on t-mobile and vice versa, but now the carriers share
> > the list so if one blacklists it the rest know about it.
> > 
> > it may be possible to take a blacklisted phone overseas, however.
> 
> I just called 611 on my cellphone to get T-mobile. 
> 
> I told them I was going to buy a phone on Craigslist, and that I wanted 
> to give them the IMEI for them to tell me if it's blacklisted.
> 
> In addition, I asked them if my phone is stolen, could they blacklist it 
> for me if I asked them to.
> 
> Surprisingly, I found out that you are correct!
> 
> They told me three things:
> 1. They *do* maintain a blacklist, and that I can just call them with an 
> IMEI to ask if it is on that blacklist.

or go to their website:
<http://www.t-mobile.com/verifyIMEI.aspx>

there are also sites that can check across multiple blacklists and even
tell you why it was blacklisted. 

> 2. They will *add* an IMEI to the blacklist, but, only if the owner of 
> record reports it (an owner, by their rules, is simply someone who has 
> had 30 days or more of their service using that IMEI number).

if the owner defaults on paying for the phone, it will automatically be
blacklisted. 

> 3. They will *unlock* a T-Mobile phone, but, only under the same 
> conditions of it being 30 days in the account of the person who is 
> calling up to have it unlocked.

<https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1588>

Device eligibility is determined as follows:
  €  The device must be a T-Mobile device.
  €  The device must not be reported as lost, stolen or blocked to
  T-Mobile.
  €  The account associated with the device must not be cancelled and
  is in good standing.
  €  You have requested no more than 2 mobile device unlock codes per
  line of service in the last 12 months.
  €  The device must satisfy all the Postpaid or Pay in Advance
  (Prepaid) Unlocking terms outlined below.
  €  T-Mobile may request proof of purchase or additional information
  in its discretion and certain other exceptions may apply.
 
Unlock eligibility for monthly phones, tablets, and mobile internet
devices
  €  The device must have been active on the T-Mobile network for at
  least 40 days on the requesting line.
  €  If the device is financed using T-Mobile¹s Equipment Installment
  Plan (EIP)or if it's leased through JUMP! On Demand, all payments
  must be satisfied and the device must be paid in full.
  €  If the device is on an account that is under a service contract
  term, at least 18 consecutive monthly payments must have been made or
  the account has migrated to Simple Choice no contract rate plan.
  €  If the device is associated with a canceled account, the account
  balance must be zero, including all pending charges
 
Unlock eligibility for Pay in Advance (Prepaid) phones, tablets, and
mobile internet devices
  €  The device has been active on the T-Mobile network for more than 1
  year on the requesting line.
  €  If the device has been active for less than 1 year on the
  requesting line, the Pay in Advance account associated with the
  device must have had more than $25 in refills for basic phones or
  $100 in refills for smartphones or tablet since device first use date.

> So, you were right.

yes, i know.

> The rules must have changed in the few years between my last iPhone 
> Craigslist experience and now.

it hasn't.

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#21134

Am 22.07.2015 um 16:15 schrieb M.L.:
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:36:56 -0400, madodel ptd News wrote:
>
>> She is planning on probably getting T-Mobile SIM (using her unlocked
>> iPhone 5S), either a 1 year contract or a pre-paid since she is going to
>> be in Germany for a year.
>
> I may be wrong, but, as far as I know, T-mobile doesn't even offer a
> "contract". It's all month-to-month (at least all my T-mobile plans were
> and are).

You *are* all wrong on this one. T-Mobile (Germany) actually sells most 
of their SIM cards (AFAIK) as contracts, and only comparable few as 
pre-paid. Their pre-paid offers are not really the best on the market 
(though their network is technically quite good)... ;-)

Best regards,

Michael

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#21154

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:39:44 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

> You *are* all wrong on this one. T-Mobile (Germany) actually sells most
> of their SIM cards (AFAIK) as contracts, and only comparable few as
> pre-paid. Their pre-paid offers are not really the best on the market
> (though their network is technically quite good)... ;-)

We're all right, because you are correct for pointing out that you're 
talking about Germany, and we're correct since we're talking about the 
USA.

But, of course, this thread is about Europe, so, you're a bit more 
correct than we were. :)

Thanks for clarifying!

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#21652

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:15:29 -0400, M.L. wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:36:56 -0400, madodel ptd News wrote:
> 
>> She is planning on probably getting T-Mobile SIM (using her unlocked
>> iPhone 5S), either a 1 year contract or a pre-paid since she is going to
>> be in Germany for a year.
> 
> I may be wrong, but, as far as I know, T-mobile doesn't even offer a 
> "contract". It's all month-to-month (at least all my T-mobile plans were 
> and are).

Careful. The T-Mobile you're speaking of is probably T-Mobile US; the
T-Mobile your German interlocutors are speaking of is T-Mobile DE. They're
both part of the same grand Deutsche Telekom outfit, but they are far from
the same company, and have vastly different tariffs and practices.

HTH avoid confusion. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#21133

Am 22.07.2015 um 14:36 schrieb madodel ptd News:

> In Germany is there a charge for receiving International (from US) SMS
> text messages?

You mean with a German SIM card? No, receiving text messages is always 
free (as long as you stay in the country of origin for the card, 
otherwise roaming surcharges may apply).

> Here in the US, you are charged for all SMS messages
> (received as well as sent) unless you have unlimited texting plan, which
> we have with our AT&T plan.  But will our daughter be charged if we text
> her and instead of going through as an iMessage it goes through as SMS?

No.

> She is planning on probably getting T-Mobile SIM (using her unlocked
> iPhone 5S), either a 1 year contract or a pre-paid since she is going to
> be in Germany for a year.

Why T-Mobile in particular? Not a bad provider (not at all, I'm with 
them), but at the same time not exactly the cheapest... ;-) Just being 
curious.

And, just for your preparation: contract in Germany are almost always 
two-year contracts, other (shorter) durations are quite hard to find. 
And 'leaving the country' usually is not a valid reason for an early 
cancellation of such a contract. If you don't find a suitable runtime 
contract, I'd rather go for a pre-paid card. If you want to compare 
different options (both contract and pre-paid), you can check out e.g. 
<http://www.verivox.de/handytarife-vergleich/> (unfortunately only 
available in German AFAICS). There you can set the basic parameters 
(flatrate for calls, for texting, data rate for which volume with which 
speed, runtime for contracts (1yr in your case), ...) and see which 
provider is the cheapest.

Best regards,

Michael

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