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  Android network Id Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2015-08-31 16:02 -0400
    Re: Android network Id Big Al <Big_al@invalid.com> - 2015-08-31 16:52 -0400
    Re: Android network Id Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2015-08-31 18:06 -0400
      Re: Android network Id Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> - 2015-08-31 18:26 -0400
        Re: Android network Id lew <citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> - 2015-09-01 02:09 +0000
          Re: Android network Id Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2015-09-01 14:26 -0400
    Re: Android network Id Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-09-01 07:54 +0000
      Re: Android network Id Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2015-09-01 14:29 -0400
        Re: Android network Id Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2015-09-01 17:40 -0400
          Re: Android network Id Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2015-09-01 17:44 -0400
            Re: Android network Id Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2015-09-01 19:04 -0400
    Re: Android network Id Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-09-01 15:14 +0000
      Re: Android network Id Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2015-09-01 14:56 -0400
        Re: Android network Id Big Al <Big_al@invalid.com> - 2015-09-01 16:00 -0400
      Re: Android network Id Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2015-09-02 09:17 +0100
        Re: Android network Id Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2015-09-02 08:08 -0400
          Re: Android network Id Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-09-02 18:17 +0000
            Re: Android network Id lew <citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> - 2015-09-02 19:51 +0000

#22208 — Android network Id

My router has a Network map.
Our phones show up as something like android-5foe3ac
The desktops show with the names of the network paths.
Is there a setting in the Android that will allow you to change the
description to something useful so each phone can be IDed?

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#22210

Seymore4Head wrote on 8/31/2015 4:02 PM:
> My router has a Network map.
> Our phones show up as something like android-5foe3ac
> The desktops show with the names of the network paths.
> Is there a setting in the Android that will allow you to change the
> description to something useful so each phone can be IDed?
>
I have no answer but oddly today's How-To-Geek newsletter had an article about malware in routers and got me to looking 
at the router and one thing I noticed was the attached devices... android.30284020f  or such.

I'll be interested to see if there is a solution.
Not that this is what you want, but in my router I can rename those devices.  I have to translate the IP addresses to 
the ID though, seems like it would be easier to turn off all but one and just try pinging till you find one one line.

But I like where you are going.

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#22211

On 31 Aug 2015, Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote in 
comp.mobile.android:

> My router has a Network map.
> Our phones show up as something like android-5foe3ac
> The desktops show with the names of the network paths.
> Is there a setting in the Android that will allow you to change the
> description to something useful so each phone can be IDed?

I assume it's like a more conventional Linux setup where, if you have 
root access, you can rename the host. IOW, you can probably only do 
that to your phone if it's rooted.

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#22212

While walking through the streets of Soho in the rain
Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote...
> On 31 Aug 2015, Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote in 
> comp.mobile.android:

>> My router has a Network map.
>> Our phones show up as something like android-5foe3ac
>> The desktops show with the names of the network paths.
>> Is there a setting in the Android that will allow you to change the
>> description to something useful so each phone can be IDed?

> I assume it's like a more conventional Linux setup where, if you have 
> root access, you can rename the host. IOW, you can probably only do 
> that to your phone if it's rooted.

I'm pretty sure that's the case. If you get into the settings and
change the device name it only holds for Bluetooth or
WiFi-Direct.

Mike "of course that can change with your next phone" Yetto
-- 
"Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitates."
 - William of Ockham

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#22213

On 2015-08-31, Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> wrote:
> While walking through the streets of Soho in the rain
> Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote...
>> On 31 Aug 2015, Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote in 
>> comp.mobile.android:
>
>>> My router has a Network map.
>>> Our phones show up as something like android-5foe3ac
>>> The desktops show with the names of the network paths.
>>> Is there a setting in the Android that will allow you to change the
>>> description to something useful so each phone can be IDed?
>
>> I assume it's like a more conventional Linux setup where, if you have 
>> root access, you can rename the host. IOW, you can probably only do 
>> that to your phone if it's rooted.
>
> I'm pretty sure that's the case. If you get into the settings and
> change the device name it only holds for Bluetooth or
> WiFi-Direct.
>
> Mike "of course that can change with your next phone" Yetto

If the router's company has an app that also display the lan map,
then one should be able to change the names of the connected
devices.  eg: Netgear has a free app (Genie) on Google for their
routers that has an edit function to change the connected device's
name.

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#22220

On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 02:09:03 +0000 (UTC), lew
<citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> wrote:

>On 2015-08-31, Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> wrote:
>> While walking through the streets of Soho in the rain
>> Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote...
>>> On 31 Aug 2015, Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote in 
>>> comp.mobile.android:
>>
>>>> My router has a Network map.
>>>> Our phones show up as something like android-5foe3ac
>>>> The desktops show with the names of the network paths.
>>>> Is there a setting in the Android that will allow you to change the
>>>> description to something useful so each phone can be IDed?
>>
>>> I assume it's like a more conventional Linux setup where, if you have 
>>> root access, you can rename the host. IOW, you can probably only do 
>>> that to your phone if it's rooted.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that's the case. If you get into the settings and
>> change the device name it only holds for Bluetooth or
>> WiFi-Direct.
>>
>> Mike "of course that can change with your next phone" Yetto
>
>If the router's company has an app that also display the lan map,
>then one should be able to change the names of the connected
>devices.  eg: Netgear has a free app (Genie) on Google for their
>routers that has an edit function to change the connected device's
>name.

Hey, it does!
Thanks

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#22215

> My router has a Network map.
> Our phones show up as something like android-5foe3ac

This command will give you some identifying string:

  $ adb get-serialno

Is that the same as the hostname?

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#22221

On Tue,  1 Sep 2015 07:54:38 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
<nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:

>> My router has a Network map.
>> Our phones show up as something like android-5foe3ac
>
>This command will give you some identifying string:
>
>  $ adb get-serialno
>
>Is that the same as the hostname?

I wouldn't know where to enter the command that you suggest, but I did
figure out how to re-label the devices.

Thanks

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#22225

On 01 Sep 2015, Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote in
comp.mobile.android: 

> I wouldn't know where to enter the command that you suggest, but I
> did figure out how to re-label the devices.

Not exactly. You changed the name that's displayed in your router's 
user interface. You didn't re-label the device itself. You you were to 
look at its listing on another router, you'll see the same name as 
before.

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#22226

On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 17:40:15 -0400, Nil
<rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

>On 01 Sep 2015, Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote in
>comp.mobile.android: 
>
>> I wouldn't know where to enter the command that you suggest, but I
>> did figure out how to re-label the devices.
>
>Not exactly. You changed the name that's displayed in your router's 
>user interface. You didn't re-label the device itself. You you were to 
>look at its listing on another router, you'll see the same name as 
>before.

Yeah, I get that has not physically changed the name on the device
itself, which I think would be much more useful, but it is a pretty
good workaround.

Are you saying that you can somehow enter a command line on each phone
and it will change the ID name?

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#22227

On 01 Sep 2015, Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote in
comp.mobile.android: 

> Yeah, I get that has not physically changed the name on the device
> itself, which I think would be much more useful, but it is a
> pretty good workaround.

I would have suggest this earlier if I had understood what it was you 
were after. I thought you wanted to really change the phone's host 
name. I've changed them as you did on my router so I could distinguish 
the various Android devices on my network.
 
> Are you saying that you can somehow enter a command line on each
> phone and it will change the ID name?

Either that or edit a configuration text file... but only if the phone 
is rooted.

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#22219

On 2015-08-31, Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote:
> My router has a Network map.
> Our phones show up as something like android-5foe3ac
> The desktops show with the names of the network paths.
> Is there a setting in the Android that will allow you to change the
> description to something useful so each phone can be IDed?

Not without rooting each device, as far as I can tell.  This is normal
for Unix/Linux based systems.

Each Android device should have a unique hostname anyway so once you
know this it's possible to identify which is which on your network; it
should also have a unique MAC of course, which your router should also
display.

If you have access to the Android device, install "WhatsMyIP for
Android" by Neofrontier Technologies or "What is my IP address" by
Webprovider or other such app and run it to discover that device's
current LAN and public IP numbers - then it's very easy to identify the
device on your LAN.  

I think some routers allow you to add a note or label to particular
devices.

-- 
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
--  Whiskers 
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

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#22222

On 1 Sep 2015 15:14:12 GMT, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:

>On 2015-08-31, Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote:
>> My router has a Network map.
>> Our phones show up as something like android-5foe3ac
>> The desktops show with the names of the network paths.
>> Is there a setting in the Android that will allow you to change the
>> description to something useful so each phone can be IDed?
>
>Not without rooting each device, as far as I can tell.  This is normal
>for Unix/Linux based systems.
>
>Each Android device should have a unique hostname anyway so once you
>know this it's possible to identify which is which on your network; it
>should also have a unique MAC of course, which your router should also
>display.
>
>If you have access to the Android device, install "WhatsMyIP for
>Android" by Neofrontier Technologies or "What is my IP address" by
>Webprovider or other such app and run it to discover that device's
>current LAN and public IP numbers - then it's very easy to identify the
>device on your LAN.  
>
>I think some routers allow you to add a note or label to particular
>devices.

I had already figured out that the Android wireless setup will display
what IP address it uses.  It seems to be the same one every time for
my phone.  I don't know if the other devices stay the same, but they
do seem to.

Thanks

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#22223

Seymore4Head wrote on 9/1/2015 2:56 PM:
> On 1 Sep 2015 15:14:12 GMT, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-08-31, Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote:
>>> My router has a Network map.
>>> Our phones show up as something like android-5foe3ac
>>> The desktops show with the names of the network paths.
>>> Is there a setting in the Android that will allow you to change the
>>> description to something useful so each phone can be IDed?
>>
>> Not without rooting each device, as far as I can tell.  This is normal
>> for Unix/Linux based systems.
>>
>> Each Android device should have a unique hostname anyway so once you
>> know this it's possible to identify which is which on your network; it
>> should also have a unique MAC of course, which your router should also
>> display.
>>
>> If you have access to the Android device, install "WhatsMyIP for
>> Android" by Neofrontier Technologies or "What is my IP address" by
>> Webprovider or other such app and run it to discover that device's
>> current LAN and public IP numbers - then it's very easy to identify the
>> device on your LAN.
>>
>> I think some routers allow you to add a note or label to particular
>> devices.
>
> I had already figured out that the Android wireless setup will display
> what IP address it uses.  It seems to be the same one every time for
> my phone.  I don't know if the other devices stay the same, but they
> do seem to.
>
> Thanks
>
I've done port forwarding in my router and have referenced a device by it's name not IP.  And even though the IP changes 
due to DNS re-assignment in the router, the port forwarding still follows to the new IP.   Which of course is a great 
feature.

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#22229

in 22422 20150901 161412 Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
>On 2015-08-31, Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> wrote:
>> My router has a Network map.
>> Our phones show up as something like android-5foe3ac
>> The desktops show with the names of the network paths.
>> Is there a setting in the Android that will allow you to change the
>> description to something useful so each phone can be IDed?
>
>Not without rooting each device, as far as I can tell.  This is normal
>for Unix/Linux based systems.
>
>Each Android device should have a unique hostname anyway so once you
>know this it's possible to identify which is which on your network; it
>should also have a unique MAC of course, which your router should also
>display.
>
>If you have access to the Android device, install "WhatsMyIP for
>Android" by Neofrontier Technologies or "What is my IP address" by
>Webprovider or other such app and run it to discover that device's
>current LAN and public IP numbers - then it's very easy to identify the
>device on your LAN.
>
>I think some routers allow you to add a note or label to particular
>devices.

In Developer Options one can set Device Hostname

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#22230

On 02 Sep 2015, Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> wrote in
comp.mobile.android: 

> In Developer Options one can set Device Hostname

Not on my phone (ZTE Valet).

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#22234

On 2015-09-02, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> On 02 Sep 2015, Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> wrote in
> comp.mobile.android: 
>
>> In Developer Options one can set Device Hostname
>
> Not on my phone (ZTE Valet).

Nor any of the three Android devices I've used.  Changing the host name
of a system is a 'superuser' or 'admin' task which should not be
available to a normal user.  Perhaps the option appears on the
'Developer' menu when a device is 'rooted'.

-- 
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
--  Whiskers 
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

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#22235

On 2015-09-02, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
> On 2015-09-02, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
>> On 02 Sep 2015, Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> wrote in
>> comp.mobile.android: 
>>
>>> In Developer Options one can set Device Hostname
>>
>> Not on my phone (ZTE Valet).
>
> Nor any of the three Android devices I've used.  Changing the host name
> of a system is a 'superuser' or 'admin' task which should not be
> available to a normal user.  Perhaps the option appears on the
> 'Developer' menu when a device is 'rooted'.
>

Yes.  Doesn't appear if the device isn't rooted.

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