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  Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 13:51 -0700
    Re: Battery usage Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-08-02 22:05 +0100
      Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 17:24 -0700
    Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-02 22:52 -0400
      Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-02 23:06 -0400
        Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-04 04:07 -0400
      Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 21:38 -0700
        Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-04 04:13 -0400
          Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-04 13:02 -0400
            Re: Battery usage mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-08-04 14:14 -0700
              Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-04 17:33 -0400
                Re: Battery usage mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-08-05 01:07 -0700
            Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-05 01:38 -0400
              Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-05 01:40 -0400
              Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 14:46 -0700
                Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-05 17:48 -0400
                  Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-06 04:22 -0400
                    Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-06 10:36 -0400
                    Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 12:59 -0700
                      Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-06 16:02 -0400
          Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 14:45 -0700
      Re: Battery usage Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 07:47 +0000
        Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-04 04:18 -0400
      Re: Battery usage Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-09 13:43 +0100
        Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-09 09:32 -0400
        Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-09 21:33 -0400
          Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-09 21:46 -0400
            Re: Battery usage AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-09 21:07 -0700
          Re: Battery usage Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-11 13:30 +0100
            Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-11 09:32 -0400
              Re: Battery usage Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-12 13:14 +0100
                Re: Battery usage Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-12 17:54 +0000
                  Re: Battery usage Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-13 12:00 +0100
                    Re: Battery usage Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-13 19:01 +0000
                      Re: Battery usage Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-14 12:34 +0100
                        Re: Battery usage Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-14 15:28 +0000
                          Flying in circles (Was: Battery usage) Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-15 11:08 +0100
                            Re: Flying in circles Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-15 11:43 +0000
                      Re: Battery usage Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-14 15:31 +0000
                Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-12 13:59 -0400
                  Re: Battery usage Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-13 12:00 +0100
    Re: Battery usage Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 07:37 +0000
      Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 10:27 -0700
        Re: Battery usage Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 17:51 +0000
          Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 10:58 -0700
            Re: Battery usage Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 06:25 +0000
              Re: Battery usage crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 08:56 -0600
                Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-05 11:14 -0400
          Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-03 14:47 -0400
    Re: Battery usage crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 08:43 -0600
      Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 14:43 -0700

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#33319

In article <120820161359550938%nospam@nospam.invalid>, Nospam wrote:
> changing the name is going to confuse the user even more. what do you
> propose to call it?

There are various options: "Radios off", "RF Safe", and "No transmit" 
spring to mind. "Airplane mode" is a bit misleading now that airlines 
don't require everything to be off, so a name change should *reduce* 
confusion.

> airplane mode came to be before phones had wifi and all it did was
> disable the cellular radios.

I've never seen airplane mode on anything that didn't have WiFi, but I 
have seen it on devices that don't have cellular radios.

-- 
Cheers,
 Daniel.
 

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#33057

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode. 
>  Shut all apps and turned off the screen.  Now 14 hours later the 
> battery is down to 62% but the only usage noted is 3% "Phone idle" and 
> 1% "Screen".
> 
> ???

I've never found the battery monitor to be very reliable. More of a guide
really. I also get the impression some - Android internal? - some register
as they should.

Also note that even switched off a battery will lose charge. Can't expect
it not to when on for 14 hours. Hard to say whether a 38% loss is
acceptable or not. Try repeating it a few times. Is it consistent? 

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#33068

On 08/03/2016 12:37 AM, Chris wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode.
>>  Shut all apps and turned off the screen.  Now 14 hours later the
>> battery is down to 62% but the only usage noted is 3% "Phone idle" and
>> 1% "Screen".
>>
>> ???
>
> I've never found the battery monitor to be very reliable. More of a guide
> really. I also get the impression some - Android internal? - some register
> as they should.
>
> Also note that even switched off a battery will lose charge. Can't expect
> it not to when on for 14 hours. Hard to say whether a 38% loss is
> acceptable or not. Try repeating it a few times. Is it consistent?

2% loss overnight with the phone off.  Additional 1% since I turned it 
on to actually do something an hour ago, and then went back to 
airplane+screen off.

I'd really like to see what's causing the difference between the total 
battery use and the sum of the uses of the screen, apps, etc.

I've had it for 16 months.  I think I've got one more year (Thanks, Best 
Buy!) of warranty replacement, so I can wait a while.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "You should be glad that bridge fell down -- I was planning
    to build thirteen more to the same design."
                -- Attributed to I.K. Brunel, addressing the
                   Directors of the Great Western Railway

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#33072

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/03/2016 12:37 AM, Chris wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode.
>>> Shut all apps and turned off the screen.  Now 14 hours later the
>>> battery is down to 62% but the only usage noted is 3% "Phone idle" and
>>> 1% "Screen".
>>> 
>>> ???
>> 
>> I've never found the battery monitor to be very reliable. More of a guide
>> really. I also get the impression some - Android internal? - some register
>> as they should.
>> 
>> Also note that even switched off a battery will lose charge. Can't expect
>> it not to when on for 14 hours. Hard to say whether a 38% loss is
>> acceptable or not. Try repeating it a few times. Is it consistent?
> 
> 2% loss overnight with the phone off.  Additional 1% since I turned it 
> on to actually do something an hour ago, and then went back to 
> airplane+screen off.
> 
> I'd really like to see what's causing the difference between the total 
> battery use and the sum of the uses of the screen, apps, etc.
> 
> I've had it for 16 months.  I think I've got one more year (Thanks, Best 
> Buy!) of warranty replacement, so I can wait a while.
> 

Batteries are usually exempted from any warranty. 

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#33073

On 08/03/2016 10:51 AM, Chris wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 08/03/2016 12:37 AM, Chris wrote:
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode.
>>>> Shut all apps and turned off the screen.  Now 14 hours later the
>>>> battery is down to 62% but the only usage noted is 3% "Phone idle" and
>>>> 1% "Screen".
>>>>
>>>> ???
>>>
>>> I've never found the battery monitor to be very reliable. More of a guide
>>> really. I also get the impression some - Android internal? - some register
>>> as they should.
>>>
>>> Also note that even switched off a battery will lose charge. Can't expect
>>> it not to when on for 14 hours. Hard to say whether a 38% loss is
>>> acceptable or not. Try repeating it a few times. Is it consistent?
>>
>> 2% loss overnight with the phone off.  Additional 1% since I turned it
>> on to actually do something an hour ago, and then went back to
>> airplane+screen off.
>>
>> I'd really like to see what's causing the difference between the total
>> battery use and the sum of the uses of the screen, apps, etc.
>>
>> I've had it for 16 months.  I think I've got one more year (Thanks, Best
>> Buy!) of warranty replacement, so I can wait a while.
>
> Batteries are usually exempted from any warranty.

<sigh>  You just HAD to tell me that, didn't you?  OTOH, given that the 
battery is NOT replaceable, that might make a difference.  Or not.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
  "Look again at that dot.  That's here.  That's home.  That's us.  On it
   everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every
   human being who ever was, lived out their lives."         -- Carl Sagan

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#33122

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/03/2016 10:51 AM, Chris wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 08/03/2016 12:37 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode.
>>>>> Shut all apps and turned off the screen.  Now 14 hours later the
>>>>> battery is down to 62% but the only usage noted is 3% "Phone idle" and
>>>>> 1% "Screen".
>>>>> 
>>>>> ???
>>>> 
>>>> I've never found the battery monitor to be very reliable. More of a guide
>>>> really. I also get the impression some - Android internal? - some register
>>>> as they should.
>>>> 
>>>> Also note that even switched off a battery will lose charge. Can't expect
>>>> it not to when on for 14 hours. Hard to say whether a 38% loss is
>>>> acceptable or not. Try repeating it a few times. Is it consistent?
>>> 
>>> 2% loss overnight with the phone off.  Additional 1% since I turned it
>>> on to actually do something an hour ago, and then went back to
>>> airplane+screen off.
>>> 
>>> I'd really like to see what's causing the difference between the total
>>> battery use and the sum of the uses of the screen, apps, etc.
>>> 
>>> I've had it for 16 months.  I think I've got one more year (Thanks, Best
>>> Buy!) of warranty replacement, so I can wait a while.
>> 
>> Batteries are usually exempted from any warranty.
> 
> <sigh>  You just HAD to tell me that, didn't you?  OTOH, given that the 
> battery is NOT replaceable, that might make a difference.  Or not.

You should have read the details of the warranty when your paid for it.

It's true of any warranty/guarantee. Normal wear and tear is never covered
nor are parts which normally degrade with use e.g. tyres, break pads.

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#33130

On 08/05/2016 12:25 AM, Chris wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 08/03/2016 10:51 AM, Chris wrote:
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 08/03/2016 12:37 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode.
>>>>>> Shut all apps and turned off the screen.  Now 14 hours later the
>>>>>> battery is down to 62% but the only usage noted is 3% "Phone idle" and
>>>>>> 1% "Screen".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never found the battery monitor to be very reliable. More of a guide
>>>>> really. I also get the impression some - Android internal? - some register
>>>>> as they should.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also note that even switched off a battery will lose charge. Can't expect
>>>>> it not to when on for 14 hours. Hard to say whether a 38% loss is
>>>>> acceptable or not. Try repeating it a few times. Is it consistent?
>>>>
>>>> 2% loss overnight with the phone off.  Additional 1% since I turned it
>>>> on to actually do something an hour ago, and then went back to
>>>> airplane+screen off.
>>>>
>>>> I'd really like to see what's causing the difference between the total
>>>> battery use and the sum of the uses of the screen, apps, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I've had it for 16 months.  I think I've got one more year (Thanks, Best
>>>> Buy!) of warranty replacement, so I can wait a while.
>>>
>>> Batteries are usually exempted from any warranty.
>>
>> <sigh>  You just HAD to tell me that, didn't you?  OTOH, given that the
>> battery is NOT replaceable, that might make a difference.  Or not.
>
> You should have read the details of the warranty when your paid for it.
>
> It's true of any warranty/guarantee. Normal wear and tear is never covered
> nor are parts which normally degrade with use e.g. tyres, break pads.
>

The Apple approach is that when the battery goes bad you just replace 
the hardware and your device gets restored from cloud backup, you're not 
supposed to care about the cost, Apple customers are presumed to be 
wealthy and stupid.  The nice thing about buying an Apple phone is that 
if you buy their $99 warranty extension you're entitled to two hardware 
replacement episodes as I recall.  Now while a bad battery of-itself 
might not qualify for a $49 device replacement, most people can lay 
hands on a rock or a hammer to upgrade the level of defectiveness to one 
covered by their $49 device replacement, and some few deviant types 
might take pleasure in expressing their opinion in a "mechanical" way. 
I'm not sure how to calculate that, can you replace one battery for $49 
or two for $99?  Note that the details are up to you to verify or 
falsify as you choose.

Whatever, I'm quite satisfied with my iPhone SE, it is after all just a 
telephone, and all things considered, it's less annoying to use than my 
previous BlackBerry Classic.

-- 
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
   [Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]

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#33131

In article <no29jr$lqb$7@dont-email.me>, crankypuss
<undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>
> >>> Batteries are usually exempted from any warranty.
> >>
> >> <sigh>  You just HAD to tell me that, didn't you?  OTOH, given that the
> >> battery is NOT replaceable, that might make a difference.  Or not.
> >
> > You should have read the details of the warranty when your paid for it.
> >
> > It's true of any warranty/guarantee. Normal wear and tear is never covered
> > nor are parts which normally degrade with use e.g. tyres, break pads.
> >
> 
> The Apple approach is that when the battery goes bad you just replace 
> the hardware and your device gets restored from cloud backup, you're not 
> supposed to care about the cost, Apple customers are presumed to be 
> wealthy and stupid. 

complete nonsense.

the battery can be replaced, it just requires a screwdriver rather than
a fingernail.

apple will replace the battery in an apple store while you wait, as
will other service providers if you don't want to go to an apple store
(or don't live near one), or you can order a battery online and tools
(if you don't have them) and do it yourself.

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#33074

In article <nntave$o41$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > 
> > 2% loss overnight with the phone off.  Additional 1% since I turned it 
> > on to actually do something an hour ago, and then went back to 
> > airplane+screen off.
> > 
> > I'd really like to see what's causing the difference between the total 
> > battery use and the sum of the uses of the screen, apps, etc.
> > 
> > I've had it for 16 months.  I think I've got one more year (Thanks, Best 
> > Buy!) of warranty replacement, so I can wait a while.
> 
> Batteries are usually exempted from any warranty. 

they're warranted for defects but not normal use.

if it starts to swell, it's a defect (and dangerous) and covered under
warranty (or possibly even a recall). 

having less capacity 16 months later is normal.

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#33129

On 08/02/2016 02:51 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode.
>  Shut all apps and turned off the screen.  Now 14 hours later the
> battery is down to 62% but the only usage noted is 3% "Phone idle" and
> 1% "Screen".
>
> ???
>

I've yet to run into an Android device that doesn't report battery-usage 
more-or-less correctly wrt who is using what.

Have you tried charging it and then just letting it sit for 14 hours and 
checking the bat-level?  It could be a marginal battery getting "less 
marginal".

-- 
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
   [Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]

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#33134

On 08/05/2016 07:43 AM, crankypuss wrote:
> On 08/02/2016 02:51 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode.
>>  Shut all apps and turned off the screen.  Now 14 hours later the
>> battery is down to 62% but the only usage noted is 3% "Phone idle" and
>> 1% "Screen".
>>
>> ???
>
> I've yet to run into an Android device that doesn't report battery-usage
> more-or-less correctly wrt who is using what.

The 'battery' section of the 'settings' page doesn't seem to report 
everything.  If I use a battery-heavy app like Osmand that will get 
reported, but as I mentioned above, there seem to be invisible things 
using the battery.  Sometimes there are references to various android 
internals, but not in the above case :-(

> Have you tried charging it and then just letting it sit for 14 hours and
> checking the bat-level?  It could be a marginal battery getting "less
> marginal".

Sat overnight in airplane mode and only dropped 1%.  I guess 'flakey' is 
better than 'always drains too much'.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
==================================================
Segal's Law:  A man with one watch knows the time.
               A man with two is never sure.

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