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| Started by | Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> |
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| First post | 2024-05-31 17:20 -0400 |
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Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-05-31 17:20 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-31 14:21 -0700
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-06-01 12:06 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-01 14:18 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-06-02 00:00 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-02 08:34 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-02 19:45 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-06-02 16:49 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-02 22:39 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-06-02 18:17 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 12:48 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-06-03 12:16 +1200
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 07:19 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2024-06-03 12:12 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-03 14:20 +0200
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-31 19:27 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-06-01 18:39 +1200
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-06-02 00:03 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-06-02 07:18 +0200
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-06-01 08:05 +0200
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-06-02 00:06 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-06-02 07:05 +0200
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-06-02 11:25 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 11:43 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-01 08:50 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-01 14:24 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-01 10:37 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-06-01 11:11 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-01 13:43 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-01 19:26 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-06-01 20:15 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-06-02 00:23 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 22:37 -0700
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-02 08:57 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-06-02 19:00 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-02 15:20 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-06-02 20:24 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-02 21:44 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-06-03 03:42 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 07:17 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 08:34 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 09:08 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 10:36 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 11:01 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 09:32 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 10:45 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 11:10 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 14:52 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-03 17:43 +0200
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 18:01 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 21:03 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 08:58 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-04 11:45 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 16:11 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-04 16:53 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-11 17:19 +0200
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-03 09:08 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 20:13 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-04 05:19 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-11 17:21 +0200
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-06-11 16:47 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-06-04 09:55 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-04 11:51 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-03 17:43 +0200
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 20:42 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 20:53 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-03 08:08 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 07:21 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-03 08:13 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-06-04 06:20 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-04 07:19 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-04 08:09 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-04 13:31 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-04 08:53 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-04 14:22 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 16:01 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-04 17:14 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-04 16:48 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-04 18:38 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-05 04:49 +0000
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-06-04 16:58 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-02 22:50 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2024-06-02 19:41 +0200
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-02 15:18 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2024-06-02 21:31 +0200
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-06-02 22:28 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-01 20:26 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-06-02 09:04 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-01 16:13 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 16:25 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-06-03 18:08 +0100
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-03 16:14 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 11:56 -0700
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-06-02 15:36 -0400
Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-03 14:18 +0200
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| From | Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> |
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| Date | 2024-05-31 17:20 -0400 |
| Subject | Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today |
| Message-ID | <v3deub$6q7i$1@novabbs.org> |
In a document detailing several mobile device best practices, the NSA recommends users turn their devices off and then back on once every week to protect against zero-click exploits, which attackers often use to eavesdrop on and collect data from phones. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices Does this advice hold true for PC's also?
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2024-05-31 14:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <v3df1n$2d4mk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #141667 |
On 2024-05-31 14:20, Larry Wolff wrote: > In a document detailing several mobile device best practices, the NSA > recommends users turn their devices off and then back on once every week to > protect against zero-click exploits, which attackers often use to eavesdrop > on and collect data from phones. > > https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices > Does this advice hold true for PC's also? Got any proof that document was created by the NSA?
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| From | Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2024-06-01 12:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <86y17oylac.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #141668 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> writes: > On 2024-05-31 14:20, Larry Wolff wrote: >> In a document detailing several mobile device best practices, the NSA >> recommends users turn their devices off and then back on once every week to >> protect against zero-click exploits, which attackers often use to eavesdrop >> on and collect data from phones. >> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices >> Does this advice hold true for PC's also? > > Got any proof that document was created by the NSA? Whether it is or not from NSA, it is good advice I think, as when you reboot the phone only authorised apps are permitted to run so any malicious background tasks which have managed to sneak in will be removed. Also it will clear cached data.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-06-01 14:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lc0ldsF5k8nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141668 |
Alan wrote: > Larry Wolff wrote: > >> the NSA recommends users turn their devices off and then back on >> once every week >> >> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices > > Got any proof that document was created by the NSA? Here it is from a .gov site <https://media.defense.gov/2021/Sep/16/2002855921/-1/-1/0/MOBILE_DEVICE_BEST_PRACTICES_FINAL_V3%20-%20COPY.PDF>
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-06-02 00:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tfrn5jdnc9ue05knh7hm268niruaa06gvr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #141681 |
In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 1 Jun 2024 14:18:49 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: > >Alan wrote: > >> Larry Wolff wrote: >> >>> the NSA recommends users turn their devices off and then back on >>> once every week >>> >>> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices >> >> Got any proof that document was created by the NSA? > >Here it is from a .gov site > ><https://media.defense.gov/2021/Sep/16/2002855921/-1/-1/0/MOBILE_DEVICE_BEST_PRACTICES_FINAL_V3%20-%20COPY.PDF> very intesting. Especially: Unexpected pop-ups like [the one shown] are usually malicious. If one appears, forcibly close all applications (i.e., iPhone®2: double tap the Home button* or Android®3: click “recent apps” soft key I guess Android®3 is from long ago, but perhaps it's still true, that tapping the “recent apps” soft key will close all applications!!! ????? And the “recent apps” soft key is the square symbol at the bottom, is that right?
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-06-02 08:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lc2lk5FepmtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141697 |
micky wrote: > I guess Android®3 is from long ago, but perhaps it's still true, that > tapping the “recent apps” soft key will close all applications!!! ????? > > And the “recent apps” soft key is the square symbol at the bottom, is > that right? I think the intention is to get you away from whatever app is displaying the pop-up. Back then, many phones still had physical areas dedicated to triangle=back/circle=home/square=app-switcher Now they've either been replaced with soft areas, or removed altogether in favour of gestures.
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| From | Andrew <andrew@spam.net> |
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| Date | 2024-06-02 19:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v3ii4d$2vv0$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #141703 |
Andy Burns wrote on Sun, 2 Jun 2024 08:34:28 +0100 : > I think the intention is to get you away from whatever app is displaying > the pop-up. > > Back then, many phones still had physical areas dedicated to > triangle=back/circle=home/square=app-switcher > > Now they've either been replaced with soft areas, or removed altogether > in favour of gestures. More and more, I find that obnoxious apps don't provide the bottom triangle/circle/square which bother me as they at the same time don't supply any quit/exit/back button within the displayed app activity. I don't agree with "gestures" so I never studied them, and as a result of my ignorance of gestures, I end up swiping about (almost willy nilly) until the bottom triangle/circle/square returns. It would be nice if there's an app to force the triangle/circle/square to stay put in all activities. Do you think that's even possible to set up?
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| From | bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> |
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| Date | 2024-06-02 16:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <BkidnaNHU6VtR8H7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #141717 |
On 6/2/24 15:45, Andrew wrote: > Andy Burns wrote on Sun, 2 Jun 2024 08:34:28 +0100 : > >> I think the intention is to get you away from whatever app is displaying >> the pop-up. >> >> Back then, many phones still had physical areas dedicated to >> triangle=back/circle=home/square=app-switcher >> >> Now they've either been replaced with soft areas, or removed altogether >> in favour of gestures. > > More and more, I find that obnoxious apps don't provide the bottom > triangle/circle/square which bother me as they at the same time don't > supply any quit/exit/back button within the displayed app activity. > > I don't agree with "gestures" so I never studied them, and as a result of > my ignorance of gestures, I end up swiping about (almost willy nilly) until > the bottom triangle/circle/square returns. > > It would be nice if there's an app to force the triangle/circle/square to > stay put in all activities. Do you think that's even possible to set up? The art/science is still relatively new, gestures SUCK, I see a COMMAND PARAGRAPH on every page that shows all possible NAV and such buttons with precise and crisp control, feel, and feedback and NOTHING left to the still much too typical swamp-mushy "no one really knows". These should include ALL possible reactions to the page material with nothing left to yet another interminable series of hoops. Unavailable icons should be ghosted instead of missing because another thing that sucks like a non-binary Electorlux is dynamic menus. Page spatial awareness is seamless when catered to with fixed reference points, else it's a royal PITA.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-06-02 22:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lc474vFlivoU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141718 |
bad sector wrote: > The art/science is still relatively new, gestures SUCK [...] [...] until you get used them after which, gestures RULE. I do realise there are people with e.g. dexterity issues where gestures may not be the answer, but have you given them a *serious* go for a few days, they just become 2nd nature and you'll never want to see square/circle/triangle again ...
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| From | bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> |
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| Date | 2024-06-02 18:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <PLicnWn8GbDjcsH7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #141721 |
On 6/2/24 17:39, Andy Burns wrote: > bad sector wrote: > >> The art/science is still relatively new, gestures SUCK [...] > > [...] until you get used them after which, gestures RULE. > > I do realise there are people with e.g. dexterity issues where gestures > may not be the answer, but have you given them a *serious* go for a few > days, they just become 2nd nature and you'll never want to see > square/circle/triangle again ... I just don't have the time!!! To tell you the truth there's very little that I like about my (1st) 'smart' phone. Had a plain-Jane flipper before it and that one couldn't even texto. Unless the providers stop catering to that early type on a pro-rata basis I would not be surprised if I dump 'smart' altogether and return to one of them. No dexterity issues, but I do hate the entire industry with extreme prejudice on account of the insane hand-held non-desktop whorehouse beginning to pollute the thinking even on real desktops like KDE and XFCE. That said, and to stay on topic, I think the NSA is absolutely right, I would edit shutdown to a full reset+tweakathon once a month, one beneficial byproduct being knowing by heart what there is, what you want, and what takes a freakin' hike. The negative effects of not resetting or at least shutting down frequently will probably visit the europid herds first; chinese (hint) phone sales there rose 50-70% last year VS. Apple/Samsung continuing to slide.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-06-03 12:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lc5oslFt11cU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141724 |
bad sector wrote: > I would edit shutdown to a full reset+tweakathon once a month My phone gets a security update (and hence restart) every month, also unused apps lose their privileges.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2024-06-03 12:16 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <v3j20b$3ipj7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #141721 |
On 2024-06-02 21:39:39 +0000, Andy Burns said: > bad sector wrote: >> >> The art/science is still relatively new, gestures SUCK [...] > > [...] until you get used them after which, gestures RULE. > > I do realise there are people with e.g. dexterity issues where gestures > may not be the answer, but have you given them a *serious* go for a few > days, they just become 2nd nature and you'll never want to see > square/circle/triangle again ... Wishy-washy "gestures" with zero visual guidance are incredibly silly and user-UNfriendly. An actual button (whether physical or on-screen) that you can see will always be a far far better method.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-06-03 07:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lc55joFq7peU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141726 |
Your Name wrote: > Wishy-washy "gestures" with zero visual guidance are incredibly silly > and user-UNfriendly. An actual button (whether physical or on-screen) > that you can see will always be a far far better method. Depends on the device, I won't be buying a car that requires use of a touch screen, let alone gestures, give me physical buttons. But for a phone/tablet that is handheld, and already uses a touch screen, I have no problems with gestures.
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| From | Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> |
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| Date | 2024-06-03 12:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <v3kq1o$3ogh2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #141730 |
On 6/3/2024 2:19 AM, Andy Burns wrote: > Your Name wrote: > >> Wishy-washy "gestures" with zero visual guidance are incredibly silly >> and user-UNfriendly. An actual button (whether physical or on-screen) >> that you can see will always be a far far better method. > > Depends on the device, I won't be buying a car that requires use of a > touch screen, let alone gestures, give me physical buttons. > > But for a phone/tablet that is handheld, and already uses a touch > screen, I have no problems with gestures. But cars without buttons usually allow verbal commands so one can keep your eyes on the road.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2024-06-03 14:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lc5qp2Ft7dnU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #141697 |
micky, 2024-06-02 06:00: > In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 1 Jun 2024 14:18:49 +0100, Andy Burns > <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: [...] >> <https://media.defense.gov/2021/Sep/16/2002855921/-1/-1/0/MOBILE_DEVICE_BEST_PRACTICES_FINAL_V3%20-%20COPY.PDF> > > very intesting. Especially: > > Unexpected pop-ups like [the one shown] are > usually malicious. If one appears, > forcibly close all applications > (i.e., iPhone®2: double tap the > Home button* or Android®3: > click “recent apps” soft key > > I guess Android®3 is from long ago, but perhaps it's still true, that > tapping the “recent apps” soft key will close all applications!!! ????? > > And the “recent apps” soft key is the square symbol at the bottom, is > that right? Right. However, the document is from October 2020, so not that old. And it does not refer to "Android 3" but the footnote number 3 below. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-05-31 19:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <v3dmdg$2ecbn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #141667 |
On 5/31/2024 5:20 PM, Larry Wolff wrote:
> In a document detailing several mobile device best practices, the NSA
> recommends users turn their devices off and then back on once every week to
> protect against zero-click exploits, which attackers often use to eavesdrop
> on and collect data from phones.
>
> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices
> Does this advice hold true for PC's also?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2024/05/31/nsa-warns-iphone--android-users-to-turn-it-off-and-on-again/?sh=6b10c53e7c75
"Users can mitigate the threat of spear-phishing, which can lead
to the installation of yet more malware and spyware, by the same
simple action. However, the NSA document does warn that the
turn it off and on again advice will only sometimes prevent
these attacks from being successful.
"
I wasn't feeling very safe today, but now, after a few simple
ritual sacrifices, everything is OK again.
I'm glad this was explained so ordinary users can follow the logic.
I thought we only went "spear-phishing" on dive trip.
*******
For those users at home, wishing to ritual sacrifice, the steps are:
1) Select "Shutdown" from the power menu in your OS.
2) When the fans stop, switch off at the back. If the machine
has no switch, you could unplug the power cable leading to the
ATX supply.
3) Wait at least 60 seconds (inrush limiter cools off etc...) .
4) Plug in, turn on power switch at the back.
5) Push the button on the front and do a normal bootup sequence
like you do every morning or whatever.
Have the evil spirits left the room ?
I would need a psi meter to check.
Maybe a little cleansing with DISM and SFC would help.
Or a Repair Install. I did a Repair Install on my laptop yesterday,
and as a bonus, the thing put my WinRE on the wrong partition :-)
(I had to hunt around to verify that, as I couldn't believe what
I was seeing, but it really was on the wrong partition.)
Then 5034441 installed itself without a fuss (still on the wrong partition
of course). It ignored the partition I provided for it.
That's proof I enjoy a ritual just as much as the next user.
Paul
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2024-06-01 18:39 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <v3efm9$2ljfr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #141669 |
On 2024-05-31 23:27:42 +0000, Paul said: > On 5/31/2024 5:20 PM, Larry Wolff wrote: >> In a document detailing several mobile device best practices, the NSA >> recommends users turn their devices off and then back on once every week to >> protect against zero-click exploits, which attackers often use to eavesdrop >> on and collect data from phones. >> >> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices >> >> Does this advice hold true for PC's also? > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2024/05/31/nsa-warns-iphone--android-users-to-turn-it-off-and-on-again/?sh=6b10c53e7c75 > > > "Users can mitigate the threat of spear-phishing, which can lead > to the installation of yet more malware and spyware, by the same > simple action. However, the NSA document does warn that the > turn it off and on again advice will only sometimes prevent > these attacks from being successful. > " Oh dear ... more utter bollocks from the looney conspiracy nutter trolls. :-\ > I wasn't feeling very safe today, but now, after a few simple > ritual sacrifices, everything is OK again. > > I'm glad this was explained so ordinary users can follow the logic. > > I thought we only went "spear-phishing" on dive trip. > > ******* > > For those users at home, wishing to ritual sacrifice, the steps are: > > 1) Select "Shutdown" from the power menu in your OS. > 2) When the fans stop, switch off at the back. If the machine > has no switch, you could unplug the power cable leading to the > ATX supply. > 3) Wait at least 60 seconds (inrush limiter cools off etc...) . > 4) Plug in, turn on power switch at the back. > 5) Push the button on the front and do a normal bootup sequence > like you do every morning or whatever. If you're booting your device every morning, there's no need to follow this supposed "advice" anyway. > Have the evil spirits left the room ? > > I would need a psi meter to check. > > Maybe a little cleansing with DISM and SFC would help. > Or a Repair Install. I did a Repair Install on my laptop yesterday, > and as a bonus, the thing put my WinRE on the wrong partition :-) > (I had to hunt around to verify that, as I couldn't believe what > I was seeing, but it really was on the wrong partition.) > Then 5034441 installed itself without a fuss (still on the wrong partition > of course). It ignored the partition I provided for it. > > That's proof I enjoy a ritual just as much as the next user. > > Paul
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-06-02 00:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3lrn5jtgfldu6luk69oc8l9pe0i2ssi8ad@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #141674 |
In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 1 Jun 2024 18:39:05 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >On 2024-05-31 23:27:42 +0000, Paul said: >> On 5/31/2024 5:20 PM, Larry Wolff wrote: >>> In a document detailing several mobile device best practices, the NSA >>> recommends users turn their devices off and then back on once every week to >>> protect against zero-click exploits, which attackers often use to eavesdrop >>> on and collect data from phones. >>> >>> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices >>> >>> Does this advice hold true for PC's also? >> >> https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2024/05/31/nsa-warns-iphone--android-users-to-turn-it-off-and-on-again/?sh=6b10c53e7c75 >> >> >> "Users can mitigate the threat of spear-phishing, which can lead >> to the installation of yet more malware and spyware, by the same >> simple action. However, the NSA document does warn that the >> turn it off and on again advice will only sometimes prevent >> these attacks from being successful. >> " > >Oh dear ... more utter bollocks from the looney conspiracy nutter trolls. :-\ You do know that the NSA does a lot of the US's spying, and they are also spied upon a lot. Do you think they don't a lot about spying? Next time you're in Maryland, you can go to the NSA Museum. > > >> I wasn't feeling very safe today, but now, after a few simple >> ritual sacrifices, everything is OK again. >> >> I'm glad this was explained so ordinary users can follow the logic. >> >> I thought we only went "spear-phishing" on dive trip. >> >> ******* >> >> For those users at home, wishing to ritual sacrifice, the steps are: >> >> 1) Select "Shutdown" from the power menu in your OS. >> 2) When the fans stop, switch off at the back. If the machine >> has no switch, you could unplug the power cable leading to the >> ATX supply. >> 3) Wait at least 60 seconds (inrush limiter cools off etc...) . >> 4) Plug in, turn on power switch at the back. >> 5) Push the button on the front and do a normal bootup sequence >> like you do every morning or whatever. > >If you're booting your device every morning, there's no need to follow >this supposed "advice" anyway. > > > > >> Have the evil spirits left the room ? >> >> I would need a psi meter to check. >> >> Maybe a little cleansing with DISM and SFC would help. >> Or a Repair Install. I did a Repair Install on my laptop yesterday, >> and as a bonus, the thing put my WinRE on the wrong partition :-) >> (I had to hunt around to verify that, as I couldn't believe what >> I was seeing, but it really was on the wrong partition.) >> Then 5034441 installed itself without a fuss (still on the wrong partition >> of course). It ignored the partition I provided for it. >> >> That's proof I enjoy a ritual just as much as the next user. >> >> Paul >
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2024-06-02 07:18 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <v3gvaq$37g25$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #141698 |
Am 02.06.24 um 06:03 schrieb micky: > In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 1 Jun 2024 18:39:05 +1200, Your Name > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >> On 2024-05-31 23:27:42 +0000, Paul said: >>> On 5/31/2024 5:20 PM, Larry Wolff wrote: >>>> In a document detailing several mobile device best practices, the NSA >>>> recommends users turn their devices off and then back on once every week to >>>> protect against zero-click exploits, which attackers often use to eavesdrop >>>> on and collect data from phones. >>>> >>>> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices >>>> >>>> Does this advice hold true for PC's also? >>> >>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2024/05/31/nsa-warns-iphone--android-users-to-turn-it-off-and-on-again/?sh=6b10c53e7c75 >>> >>> >>> "Users can mitigate the threat of spear-phishing, which can lead >>> to the installation of yet more malware and spyware, by the same >>> simple action. However, the NSA document does warn that the >>> turn it off and on again advice will only sometimes prevent >>> these attacks from being successful. >>> " >> >> Oh dear ... more utter bollocks from the looney conspiracy nutter trolls. :-\ > > You do know that the NSA does a lot of the US's spying, and they are > also spied upon a lot. Do you think they don't a lot about spying? > > Next time you're in Maryland, you can go to the NSA Museum. My goodness! You are naive! -- "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2024-06-01 08:05 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <v3edmf$2l6b3$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #141667 |
Am 31.05.24 um 23:20 schrieb Larry Wolff: > In a document detailing several mobile device best practices, the NSA > recommends users turn their devices off and then back on once every week to > protect against zero-click exploits, which attackers often use to eavesdrop > on and collect data from phones. > > https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices > Does this advice hold true for PC's also? A cellphone is nothing else than a desktop machine or laptop: A computer. If it is correct which I doubt the answer is yes. The link does not load on my Mac/Firefox. Is this a trustworthy site? Even if I allow Java-script. -- "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)
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