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  Google hangouts dialer nastiness The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 07:44 -0800
    Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2016-11-10 16:15 +0000
      Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 09:27 -0800
        Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-11-10 19:49 +0100
        Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2016-11-10 19:04 +0000
        Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 18:09 +0000
    Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 16:32 +0000
      Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 09:56 -0800
        Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 18:36 +0000
          Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 11:15 -0800
            Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 19:36 +0000
              Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 13:52 -0800
                Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-10 18:34 -0500
                  Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-11-11 14:38 +0100
                    Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-11 10:41 -0500
                Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-11-12 04:11 -0500
                  Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-12 08:24 -0500
                    Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-11-12 23:43 -0500
                      Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-13 00:26 -0500
                        Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-11-14 02:47 -0500
          Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2016-11-11 14:35 +0000
            Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 07:58 -0800
              Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-11 11:44 -0500
              Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 10:18 -0800
              Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2016-11-14 14:21 +0000
    Re: Google hangouts dialer nastiness VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-11-10 18:36 -0600

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#35773 — Google hangouts dialer nastiness

Moto G #2, android 6.0

Yesterday I needed to make a phone call (a rare occurrence).  When I 
chose the number from my contacts list, hangouts insisted on attempting 
to make a wifi call.  I have no data plan and had no accessible wifi.  I 
tried several times, but was unable to use the actual PHONE to make the 
call.

I can stop or uninstall hangouts and/or the hangouts dialer, but not 
merely disable it.  There seems to be no way to tell the phone to 
actually USE THE GODDAM PHONE.

What am I missing?

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    Todd Flanders' hobbies include being quiet on long rides,
    clapping to songs and diabetes.

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#35775

In news:o024j6$445$1@dont-email.me The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
wrote: 

> There seems to be no way to tell the phone to 
> actually USE THE GODDAM PHONE.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 

I'm assuming that you have a plan that actually allows you to make phone
calls, so why don't you just use the dialer that's included with the
Android OS? 

While I've only played with it briefly, my understanding is that the
Hangouts dialer is intended to make calls over WiFi when you don't have
access to the cell network. 

-- 
bert@iphouse.com	St. Paul, MN

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#35780

On 11/10/2016 08:15 AM, Bert wrote:
> In news:o024j6$445$1@dont-email.me The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There seems to be no way to tell the phone to
>> actually USE THE GODDAM PHONE.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>
> I'm assuming that you have a plan that actually allows you to make phone
> calls, so why don't you just use the dialer that's included with the
> Android OS?

That's what I did.  The contact list came up and I called.  Hangouts 
apparently shares the list and took over.  I didn't try hand-dialing, 
but I wouldn't have known the number and YES I have trouble remembering 
a 10-digit number long enough to dial it.

> While I've only played with it briefly, my understanding is that the
> Hangouts dialer is intended to make calls over WiFi when you don't have
> access to the cell network.

You'd think!  That's what I wanted it for.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
    While you can't fool all the people all the time, you can fool
    enough of them most of the time to make the rest impotent.
                                             -- Anonymous Democrat

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#35789

On 2016-11-10 18:27, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/10/2016 08:15 AM, Bert wrote:
>> In news:o024j6$445$1@dont-email.me The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There seems to be no way to tell the phone to
>>> actually USE THE GODDAM PHONE.
>>>
>>> What am I missing?
>>>
>>
>> I'm assuming that you have a plan that actually allows you to make phone
>> calls, so why don't you just use the dialer that's included with the
>> Android OS?
> 
> That's what I did.  The contact list came up and I called.  Hangouts
> apparently shares the list and took over.  I didn't try hand-dialing,
> but I wouldn't have known the number and YES I have trouble remembering
> a 10-digit number long enough to dial it.

There may be more that one contact list.

Also, the google contact list may (I think) hold different methods of
calling. For using the phone you would have to tap on the phone number
of the entry. I don't use hangouts, though. I use whatsap, which also
wants to do the call and I don't.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#35791

In news:o02al2$qnk$1@dont-email.me The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
wrote: 

> On 11/10/2016 08:15 AM, Bert wrote:
>> In news:o024j6$445$1@dont-email.me The Real Bev
>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There seems to be no way to tell the phone to
>>> actually USE THE GODDAM PHONE.
>>>
>>> What am I missing?
>>>
>>
>> I'm assuming that you have a plan that actually allows you to make
>> phone calls, so why don't you just use the dialer that's included
>> with the Android OS?
> 
> That's what I did.  The contact list came up and I called.  Hangouts 
> apparently shares the list and took over.  I didn't try hand-dialing, 
> but I wouldn't have known the number and YES I have trouble
> remembering a 10-digit number long enough to dial it.

Odd. I have Hangouts and the Hangouts dialer installed on my phone(s)
and that's never happened. 

Sounds like this might be something the folks at the Hangouts forum
might be able to help with, since it's something you'll likely run into
again. 

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!forum/hangouts

-- 
bert@iphouse.com	St. Paul, MN

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#35830

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/10/2016 08:15 AM, Bert wrote:
>> In news:o024j6$445$1@dont-email.me The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> There seems to be no way to tell the phone to
>>> actually USE THE GODDAM PHONE.
>>> 
>>> What am I missing?
>>> 
>> 
>> I'm assuming that you have a plan that actually allows you to make phone
>> calls, so why don't you just use the dialer that's included with the
>> Android OS?
> 
> That's what I did.  The contact list came up and I called.  Hangouts 
> apparently shares the list and took over.  I didn't try hand-dialing, 
> but I wouldn't have known the number and YES I have trouble remembering 
> a 10-digit number long enough to dial it.

In the dialer, try dialing the *name* of your contact rather than the
number. That should bring up a list of matches as you type. Select the one
want to dial.

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#35776

On 10/11/2016 3:44 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
> Moto G #2, android 6.0
> 
> Yesterday I needed to make a phone call (a rare occurrence).  When I 
> chose the number from my contacts list, hangouts insisted on attempting 
> to make a wifi call.  I have no data plan and had no accessible wifi.  I 
> tried several times, but was unable to use the actual PHONE to make the 
> call.
> 
> I can stop or uninstall hangouts and/or the hangouts dialer, but not 
> merely disable it.  There seems to be no way to tell the phone to 
> actually USE THE GODDAM PHONE.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 

Maybe you have Hangouts set as default dialler? I'm not sure if you can
do that - but try going to settings > apps > Hangouts and see if it has
any defaults set. If it has, clear them and try again.


-- 
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

What if there were no hypothetical questions?

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#35782

On 11/10/2016 08:32 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
> On 10/11/2016 3:44 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
>> Moto G #2, android 6.0
>>
>> Yesterday I needed to make a phone call (a rare occurrence).  When I
>> chose the number from my contacts list, hangouts insisted on attempting
>> to make a wifi call.  I have no data plan and had no accessible wifi.  I
>> tried several times, but was unable to use the actual PHONE to make the
>> call.
>>
>> I can stop or uninstall hangouts and/or the hangouts dialer, but not
>> merely disable it.  There seems to be no way to tell the phone to
>> actually USE THE GODDAM PHONE.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>
> Maybe you have Hangouts set as default dialler? I'm not sure if you can
> do that - but try going to settings > apps > Hangouts and see if it has
> any defaults set. If it has, clear them and try again.

It said I had some but wouldn't tell me what they were.  I certainly 
wouldn't have deliberately done that.  Bastards. I cleared them, which 
seemed to allow me to use the 'phone' part.  I wonder if I'll have to do 
this process again if I choose to use the hangouts dialer again... 
Probably :-(

I really hate the way google insists on controlling everything.  I want 
different accounts for different purposes, but it really WANTS me to do 
everything with one account and I have to go to a lot of trouble to NOT 
do that.

I know, how much did I pay for it blablablabla...

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   VISE GRIPS (VYS'-gripz) [n]  A tool used to transfer intense
   welding heat to the palm of the welder's hand.         -- DS

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#35787

On 10/11/2016 5:56 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/10/2016 08:32 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
>> On 10/11/2016 3:44 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Moto G #2, android 6.0
>>>
>>> Yesterday I needed to make a phone call (a rare occurrence).  When I
>>> chose the number from my contacts list, hangouts insisted on attempting
>>> to make a wifi call.  I have no data plan and had no accessible wifi.  I
>>> tried several times, but was unable to use the actual PHONE to make the
>>> call.
>>>
>>> I can stop or uninstall hangouts and/or the hangouts dialer, but not
>>> merely disable it.  There seems to be no way to tell the phone to
>>> actually USE THE GODDAM PHONE.
>>>
>>> What am I missing?
>>
>> Maybe you have Hangouts set as default dialler? I'm not sure if you can
>> do that - but try going to settings > apps > Hangouts and see if it has
>> any defaults set. If it has, clear them and try again.
> 
> It said I had some but wouldn't tell me what they were.  I certainly 
> wouldn't have deliberately done that.  Bastards. I cleared them, which 
> seemed to allow me to use the 'phone' part.  I wonder if I'll have to do 
> this process again if I choose to use the hangouts dialer again... 
> Probably :-(
> 

Not unless you let it. If you use Hangouts and want to dial someone it
will (I'm guessing as I don't use Hangouts  - but it's normally what
happens) ask you which app you want it to dial with and if you want to
use it once or every time. Tell it once, and it won't set a default. It
could also happen from elsewhere - if you tell it to dial a contact from
within your contacts file and it asks your which app to use don't tell
it to use Hangouts, tell it to use the normal dialler and to use it
every time. It's certainly something along those lines, anyway.

> I really hate the way google insists on controlling everything.  I want
> different accounts for different purposes, but it really WANTS me to do 
> everything with one account and I have to go to a lot of trouble to NOT 
> do that.

I run several different accounts on my tablet - some from my own domains
and not with Google at all - without difficulty. I do stick to one
account on the phone, purely so if anyone wants to e-mail me whilst I'm
out and about they know which one to use. If you have multiple Google
accounts you can have them all together in one log-in and just select
which one you want to use - there's an "add another account" facility
which lets you select which one to use each time you log in to Google -
maybe that's the way to go?

> I know, how much did I pay for it blablablabla...
> 

I'm not impressed by that argument - free or paid for, it should still
be configurable to do what you want - not what they want. If often
doesn't work that way though and, like you, I find it quite irritating
to be lectured by someone along those lines :-)

-- 
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

I went for a medical and asked the doctor, "How do I stand?" He said,
"That's what puzzles me too!"

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#35792

On 11/10/2016 10:36 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
> On 10/11/2016 5:56 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 11/10/2016 08:32 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2016 3:44 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> Moto G #2, android 6.0
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday I needed to make a phone call (a rare occurrence).  When I
>>>> chose the number from my contacts list, hangouts insisted on attempting
>>>> to make a wifi call.  I have no data plan and had no accessible wifi.  I
>>>> tried several times, but was unable to use the actual PHONE to make the
>>>> call.
>>>>
>>>> I can stop or uninstall hangouts and/or the hangouts dialer, but not
>>>> merely disable it.  There seems to be no way to tell the phone to
>>>> actually USE THE GODDAM PHONE.
>>>>
>>>> What am I missing?
>>>
>>> Maybe you have Hangouts set as default dialler? I'm not sure if you can
>>> do that - but try going to settings > apps > Hangouts and see if it has
>>> any defaults set. If it has, clear them and try again.
>>
>> It said I had some but wouldn't tell me what they were.  I certainly
>> wouldn't have deliberately done that.  Bastards. I cleared them, which
>> seemed to allow me to use the 'phone' part.  I wonder if I'll have to do
>> this process again if I choose to use the hangouts dialer again...
>> Probably :-(
>
> Not unless you let it. If you use Hangouts and want to dial someone it
> will (I'm guessing as I don't use Hangouts  - but it's normally what
> happens) ask you which app you want it to dial with and if you want to
> use it once or every time.

The Motorola dialer just dials.  No choice.  The hangouts dialer 
likewise.  Maybe I should get a different 'phone' dialer...

Tell it once, and it won't set a default. It
> could also happen from elsewhere - if you tell it to dial a contact from
> within your contacts file and it asks your which app to use don't tell
> it to use Hangouts, tell it to use the normal dialler and to use it
> every time. It's certainly something along those lines, anyway.

Separate 'dial' icons on the home screen/list of apps.

>> I really hate the way google insists on controlling everything.  I want
>> different accounts for different purposes, but it really WANTS me to do
>> everything with one account and I have to go to a lot of trouble to NOT
>> do that.
>
> I run several different accounts on my tablet - some from my own domains
> and not with Google at all - without difficulty. I do stick to one
> account on the phone, purely so if anyone wants to e-mail me whilst I'm
> out and about they know which one to use. If you have multiple Google
> accounts you can have them all together in one log-in and just select
> which one you want to use - there's an "add another account" facility
> which lets you select which one to use each time you log in to Google -
> maybe that's the way to go?
>
>> I know, how much did I pay for it blablablabla...
>>
>
> I'm not impressed by that argument - free or paid for, it should still
> be configurable to do what you want - not what they want. If often
> doesn't work that way though and, like you, I find it quite irritating
> to be lectured by someone along those lines :-)

Nearly annoying is being harangued because I normally run as root. 
Screw the whiners --  it's MY machine, I'm behind a firewall, and I've 
been doing it since 1994 with no problems so far except those caused by 
the haranguers.

I might be willing to try Ubuntu (I'm always happy to let somebody else 
do the work) but I'm not going to spend my life doing sudos or alias 
every command I use because I do a LOT of stuff in xterms.  Yeah, I 
know, there are workarounds, but GODDAMMIT I don't want to deal with 
nannies!

Plus having to do a shitpot of installation and copying, of course.  Did 
I mention the laziness factor?

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "Let them all go to hell, except Cave 76"
                               -- Mel Brooks

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#35795

On 10/11/2016 7:15 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/10/2016 10:36 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
>> On 10/11/2016 5:56 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2016 08:32 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2016 3:44 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> Moto G #2, android 6.0
>>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday I needed to make a phone call (a rare occurrence).  When I
>>>>> chose the number from my contacts list, hangouts insisted on attempting
>>>>> to make a wifi call.  I have no data plan and had no accessible wifi.  I
>>>>> tried several times, but was unable to use the actual PHONE to make the
>>>>> call.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can stop or uninstall hangouts and/or the hangouts dialer, but not
>>>>> merely disable it.  There seems to be no way to tell the phone to
>>>>> actually USE THE GODDAM PHONE.
>>>>>
>>>>> What am I missing?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you have Hangouts set as default dialler? I'm not sure if you can
>>>> do that - but try going to settings > apps > Hangouts and see if it has
>>>> any defaults set. If it has, clear them and try again.
>>>
>>> It said I had some but wouldn't tell me what they were.  I certainly
>>> wouldn't have deliberately done that.  Bastards. I cleared them, which
>>> seemed to allow me to use the 'phone' part.  I wonder if I'll have to do
>>> this process again if I choose to use the hangouts dialer again...
>>> Probably :-(
>>
>> Not unless you let it. If you use Hangouts and want to dial someone it
>> will (I'm guessing as I don't use Hangouts  - but it's normally what
>> happens) ask you which app you want it to dial with and if you want to
>> use it once or every time.
> 
> The Motorola dialer just dials.  No choice.  The hangouts dialer 
> likewise.  Maybe I should get a different 'phone' dialer...
> 
> Tell it once, and it won't set a default. It
>> could also happen from elsewhere - if you tell it to dial a contact from
>> within your contacts file and it asks your which app to use don't tell
>> it to use Hangouts, tell it to use the normal dialler and to use it
>> every time. It's certainly something along those lines, anyway.
> 
> Separate 'dial' icons on the home screen/list of apps.
> 
>>> I really hate the way google insists on controlling everything.  I want
>>> different accounts for different purposes, but it really WANTS me to do
>>> everything with one account and I have to go to a lot of trouble to NOT
>>> do that.
>>
>> I run several different accounts on my tablet - some from my own domains
>> and not with Google at all - without difficulty. I do stick to one
>> account on the phone, purely so if anyone wants to e-mail me whilst I'm
>> out and about they know which one to use. If you have multiple Google
>> accounts you can have them all together in one log-in and just select
>> which one you want to use - there's an "add another account" facility
>> which lets you select which one to use each time you log in to Google -
>> maybe that's the way to go?
>>
>>> I know, how much did I pay for it blablablabla...
>>>
>>
>> I'm not impressed by that argument - free or paid for, it should still
>> be configurable to do what you want - not what they want. If often
>> doesn't work that way though and, like you, I find it quite irritating
>> to be lectured by someone along those lines :-)
> 
> Nearly annoying is being harangued because I normally run as root. 
> Screw the whiners --  it's MY machine, I'm behind a firewall, and I've 
> been doing it since 1994 with no problems so far except those caused by 
> the haranguers.
> 
> I might be willing to try Ubuntu (I'm always happy to let somebody else 
> do the work) but I'm not going to spend my life doing sudos or alias 
> every command I use because I do a LOT of stuff in xterms.  Yeah, I 
> know, there are workarounds, but GODDAMMIT I don't want to deal with 
> nannies!
> 
> Plus having to do a shitpot of installation and copying, of course.  Did 
> I mention the laziness factor?
> 

The lazy way to Linux is Linux Mint in one of it's forms (I like the
Mate front end and the Debian version rather than the Ubuntu version -
but only because my old laptop is so ancient and Debian is more suited
to it). It's theoretically possible to run a system from the GUI
without as much as a sudo - but that seems to annoy the purists who
think if it isn't excruciatingly difficult it isn't real Linux. They'd
have been proud of me as a realtive newbie this week though - I've being
installing Realtek drivers for an "ac" external WiFi device from scratch
to try to connect to a 5MHz signal. It connects but won't talk to the
internet much - so I guess my old lappy can't take it. However, this is
a long way from mobile.android.

Regards,

Bob


-- 
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

The penalty for bigamy is two Mothers-in-Law.

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#35806

On 11/10/2016 11:36 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
> On 10/11/2016 7:15 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 11/10/2016 10:36 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2016 5:56 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 11/10/2016 08:32 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>> On 10/11/2016 3:44 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>> Moto G #2, android 6.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday I needed to make a phone call (a rare occurrence).  When I
>>>>>> chose the number from my contacts list, hangouts insisted on attempting
>>>>>> to make a wifi call.  I have no data plan and had no accessible wifi.  I
>>>>>> tried several times, but was unable to use the actual PHONE to make the
>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can stop or uninstall hangouts and/or the hangouts dialer, but not
>>>>>> merely disable it.  There seems to be no way to tell the phone to
>>>>>> actually USE THE GODDAM PHONE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What am I missing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you have Hangouts set as default dialler? I'm not sure if you can
>>>>> do that - but try going to settings > apps > Hangouts and see if it has
>>>>> any defaults set. If it has, clear them and try again.
>>>>
>>>> It said I had some but wouldn't tell me what they were.  I certainly
>>>> wouldn't have deliberately done that.  Bastards. I cleared them, which
>>>> seemed to allow me to use the 'phone' part.  I wonder if I'll have to do
>>>> this process again if I choose to use the hangouts dialer again...
>>>> Probably :-(
>>>
>>> Not unless you let it. If you use Hangouts and want to dial someone it
>>> will (I'm guessing as I don't use Hangouts  - but it's normally what
>>> happens) ask you which app you want it to dial with and if you want to
>>> use it once or every time.
>>
>> The Motorola dialer just dials.  No choice.  The hangouts dialer
>> likewise.  Maybe I should get a different 'phone' dialer...
>>
>> Tell it once, and it won't set a default. It
>>> could also happen from elsewhere - if you tell it to dial a contact from
>>> within your contacts file and it asks your which app to use don't tell
>>> it to use Hangouts, tell it to use the normal dialler and to use it
>>> every time. It's certainly something along those lines, anyway.
>>
>> Separate 'dial' icons on the home screen/list of apps.
>>
>>>> I really hate the way google insists on controlling everything.  I want
>>>> different accounts for different purposes, but it really WANTS me to do
>>>> everything with one account and I have to go to a lot of trouble to NOT
>>>> do that.
>>>
>>> I run several different accounts on my tablet - some from my own domains
>>> and not with Google at all - without difficulty. I do stick to one
>>> account on the phone, purely so if anyone wants to e-mail me whilst I'm
>>> out and about they know which one to use. If you have multiple Google
>>> accounts you can have them all together in one log-in and just select
>>> which one you want to use - there's an "add another account" facility
>>> which lets you select which one to use each time you log in to Google -
>>> maybe that's the way to go?
>>>
>>>> I know, how much did I pay for it blablablabla...
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not impressed by that argument - free or paid for, it should still
>>> be configurable to do what you want - not what they want. If often
>>> doesn't work that way though and, like you, I find it quite irritating
>>> to be lectured by someone along those lines :-)
>>
>> Nearly annoying is being harangued because I normally run as root.
>> Screw the whiners --  it's MY machine, I'm behind a firewall, and I've
>> been doing it since 1994 with no problems so far except those caused by
>> the haranguers.
>>
>> I might be willing to try Ubuntu (I'm always happy to let somebody else
>> do the work) but I'm not going to spend my life doing sudos or alias
>> every command I use because I do a LOT of stuff in xterms.  Yeah, I
>> know, there are workarounds, but GODDAMMIT I don't want to deal with
>> nannies!
>>
>> Plus having to do a shitpot of installation and copying, of course.  Did
>> I mention the laziness factor?
>>
>
> The lazy way to Linux is Linux Mint in one of it's forms (I like the

Rule 1:  Use the distro that your technical support staff (otherwise 
known as "husband") uses.  He's a luddite and has been using slackware 
since Linux was a pup.  Anything nasty and complicated I turn over to 
him.  He refuses to touch windows, so I'm pretty much on my own with my 
winmachine.

> Mate front end and the Debian version rather than the Ubuntu version -
> but only because my old laptop is so ancient and Debian is more suited
> to it). It's theoretically possible to run a system from the GUI
> without as much as a sudo - but that seems to annoy the purists who
> think if it isn't excruciatingly difficult it isn't real Linux.

Easy is always good.  The CLI command is frequently way easier and 
faster than the GUI equivalent.  There's always a tradeoff between 
control and ease, unfortunately.

> They'd
> have been proud of me as a realtive newbie this week though - I've being
> installing Realtek drivers for an "ac" external WiFi device from scratch
> to try to connect to a 5MHz signal. It connects but won't talk to the
> internet much - so I guess my old lappy can't take it. However, this is
> a long way from mobile.android.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "John Wayne toilet paper -- It's rough, it's tough,
    and it don't take no crap from nobody."

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#35808

In article <o02q5t$o6s$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Mate front end and the Debian version rather than the Ubuntu version -
> > but only because my old laptop is so ancient and Debian is more suited
> > to it). It's theoretically possible to run a system from the GUI
> > without as much as a sudo - but that seems to annoy the purists who
> > think if it isn't excruciatingly difficult it isn't real Linux.
> 
> Easy is always good.  The CLI command is frequently way easier and 
> faster than the GUI equivalent. 

other way around.

> There's always a tradeoff between 
> control and ease, unfortunately.

nonsense. it's common to have both.

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#35824

On 2016-11-11 00:34, nospam wrote:
> In article <o02q5t$o6s$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Mate front end and the Debian version rather than the Ubuntu version -
>>> but only because my old laptop is so ancient and Debian is more suited
>>> to it). It's theoretically possible to run a system from the GUI
>>> without as much as a sudo - but that seems to annoy the purists who
>>> think if it isn't excruciatingly difficult it isn't real Linux.
>>
>> Easy is always good.  The CLI command is frequently way easier and 
>> faster than the GUI equivalent. 
> 
> other way around.

No.

> 
>> There's always a tradeoff between 
>> control and ease, unfortunately.
> 
> nonsense. it's common to have both.

No. Uncommon.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#35827

In article <c8ugfd-pfi.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@invalid.es> wrote:

> >>> Mate front end and the Debian version rather than the Ubuntu version -
> >>> but only because my old laptop is so ancient and Debian is more suited
> >>> to it). It's theoretically possible to run a system from the GUI
> >>> without as much as a sudo - but that seems to annoy the purists who
> >>> think if it isn't excruciatingly difficult it isn't real Linux.
> >>
> >> Easy is always good.  The CLI command is frequently way easier and 
> >> faster than the GUI equivalent. 
> > 
> > other way around.
> 
> No.

wrong. a gui is without question easier, faster and significantly more
productive than a a cli in nearly every case, something which has been
repeatedly confirmed by *numerous* objective tests done over the years
as well as looking at people's productivity when using a computer.

> >> There's always a tradeoff between 
> >> control and ease, unfortunately.
> > 
> > nonsense. it's common to have both.
> 
> No. Uncommon.

wrong again. 

modern guis offer both ease of use and control at the same time.

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#35847

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:52:26 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

> The CLI command is frequently way easier and 
> faster than the GUI equivalent.

Particularly true when the GUI equivalent hasn't been developed yet. E.g.:
the DOS file-comparison invocation, FC /b or the *ix DIFF. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#35850

In article <1g3pt3nqnxzs.66bash55ynep.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> 
> > The CLI command is frequently way easier and 
> > faster than the GUI equivalent.
> 
> Particularly true when the GUI equivalent hasn't been developed yet. E.g.:
> the DOS file-comparison invocation, FC /b or the *ix DIFF. Cheers, -- tlvp

except it has, and way the hell better than either of those.

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#35868

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 08:24:29 -0500, nospam wrote:

> In article <1g3pt3nqnxzs.66bash55ynep.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
> <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> The CLI command is frequently way easier and 
>>> faster than the GUI equivalent.
>> 
>> Particularly true when the GUI equivalent hasn't been developed yet. E.g.:
>> the DOS file-comparison invocation, FC /b or the *ix DIFF. Cheers, -- tlvp
> 
> except it has, and way the hell better than either of those.

You mean this?

<http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-files/using-the-fc-command-with-the-guis-drag-drop/1c5ec312-7dd7-432a-b49c-60e2cbce8eb3>?

Yeah, I overlooked that. You think that's worth writing home about? Not me. 

But if you mean something else, do try to make the effort to tell what it
is and where to find it. Thanks. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#35869

In article <af938opaa11u.lsvasqsvepa4$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> >> 
> >>> The CLI command is frequently way easier and 
> >>> faster than the GUI equivalent.
> >> 
> >> Particularly true when the GUI equivalent hasn't been developed yet. E.g.:
> >> the DOS file-comparison invocation, FC /b or the *ix DIFF. Cheers, -- tlvp
> > 
> > except it has, and way the hell better than either of those.
> 
> You mean this?
>
> <http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-files/using-th
> e-fc-command-with-the-guis-drag-drop/1c5ec312-7dd7-432a-b49c-60e2cbce8eb3>?

no

> Yeah, I overlooked that. You think that's worth writing home about? Not me. 

nor i.

> But if you mean something else, do try to make the effort to tell what it
> is and where to find it. Thanks. Cheers, -- tlvp

<http://smashinghub.com/10-best-file-and-documents-comparison-tools.htm>
<http://i2.wp.com/subharanjan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Compared-Di
fferences-TextWrangler.png>

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#35901

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:26:28 -0500, nospam wrote:

> <http://smashinghub.com/10-best-file-and-documents-comparison-tools.htm>

Hey, great: WinMerge on that page looks like it'll fill the bill perfectly!

> <http://i2.wp.com/subharanjan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Compared-Differences-TextWrangler.png>

Not sure whether it's TextWrangler or Changes that this graphic is here
for, but the SmashingHub page's link to Changes is dead, and from the
TextWrangler graphic I infer something's Mac-only, hence of no use to me.

Still, the WinMerge item your SmashingHub page cites looks most useful;
thank you, therefore, very much for that. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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