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  Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-22 20:57 +0000
    Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2018-11-22 19:34 -0600
      Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-22 23:43 -0400
        Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-23 15:39 +0000
          Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-23 11:55 -0500
      Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-23 11:35 +0000
        Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> - 2018-11-23 08:14 -0500
          Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 09:40 -0800
            Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-23 11:47 -0700
              Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 11:25 -0800
                Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-23 14:27 -0500
                  Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-23 20:15 +0000
                    Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-23 15:41 -0500
                    Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-23 14:52 -0700
                    Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 23:20 -0800
                      Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-25 04:15 -0500
                Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-23 20:10 +0000
                  Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-23 15:41 -0500
                  Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-25 04:21 -0500
                    Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-25 17:27 +0000
                      Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-27 04:19 -0500
                  Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-25 04:46 -0500
            Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> - 2018-11-23 23:11 -0500
        Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2018-11-24 07:33 -0600
          Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-24 15:03 +0000
            Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-24 10:27 -0500
            Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2018-11-24 15:33 -0600
              Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-24 16:46 -0400
          Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-25 04:26 -0500
            Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-25 17:32 +0000
              Re: Putting a screen protector on a screen that is already chipped/scratched micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-11-27 03:49 -0500

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#57929

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 25 Nov 2018 17:27:46 +0000, "J. P.
Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

>OT, sorry.
>
>In message <g4qkvdl7abe0rd745ru0g9v3a91rhnctfm@4ax.com>, micky 
><NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> writes:
>>In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 23 Nov 2018 20:10:49 +0000, "J. P.
>>Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Have you ever heard about a petition, disagreed with it, but been frustrated
>>>that there's no way you can *show* that you disagree? If so, have a look at
>>>https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 - and please pass it on if you
>>>agree, especially to twitter, facebook, gransnet/mumsnet, or any such forum.
>[]
>(I _think_ only UK citizens can sign.)
>>
>>Very interesting.   There was a competition here between two or three
>>new competing shopping areas, and a petition drive, and I guess at least
>>one side hired people to get signatures.   They managed to trick my
>>friend into thinking the petition said or at least meant the oppopsite
>>of what it did and she signed it.
>
>Interesting. It wasn't dishonest petitions as such that bug me (though 
>of course those would too), it's the underlying implication (which I 
>suppose is dishonest in itself, but _may_ not have occurred to _all_ 
>petitioners) that, just because a petition has reached 100, 1000, a 
>million signatures, that that reflects public opinion - and, more 
>dangerously, those in power can think that too, and pass legislation (or 
>whatever) accordingly.

I see your point.    When I saw that Facebook, I think it was, only
allowed Liking and not Disliking, I lost interest (not that I was
interested). The Washington Post is like that too, with the small
exception that you can Unlike a reader comment that you yourself
previously Liked.   Of course none of this is legislation. 

>>I think they also claimed it would make it hard for a religious day
>>school to get its buses in and out, and the head of the school which
>>normally stays out of politics, etc. had to issue a press release that
>>the school had never said that. I forget what else he said but there
>
>[To be fair, just because the school itself had never said so, it could 
>still have been the case. As you describe it, he was careful only to say 
>that they'd never _said_ it, remaining silent on whether it was true.]

I think the statement was stronger than I made it sound. 

It's been 5 or 8 years but at the time, I thought the school had paid
only the slightest, minimally required attention to the new shopping
center.  There's a traffic light and the children come to school when
few customers are going to shop (and the employees come either earlier
than the students or there are just not that many of them), and they
leave either before rush hour or during rush hour when the general rush
hour traffic is more of a problem than the traffic from this one
shopping center.   It was a nothing-burger and I'm pretty sure no one in
the school thought it was a problem, no one gave it more than 5 minutes
thought.    But the opponents just made up the problem and claimed the
school thought it was a problem.  Well, they probably phrased it
artfully so that it would look like the school claimed that, while not
actually saying the school said it. 

There were 3 locations, a beautiful 2-story covered mall that opened
only 30 years ago and was mostly vacant now (that they tore down and
built regular stores, with cold or hot weather in between them,
depending on the month); second, an area around the subway station which
got a community college, a library, quite a few stores and quite a few
apartments. and third, an area that had been a paper cup factory from a
famous brand (Solo?) which for some reason went out of business.
Different develops stood to make money out of each one, and one or more
were willing to lie. 

The real estate biz in Baltimore County** is pretty depressing.  Twice
afaicr builders/developers have illegally torn down historic structures
in the middle of the night, to build something on the land.  The second
time they claimed they numbered all the stones so it could be rebuilt,
but it never will be.  It's not that important to go to that
trouble/expensse but it was important enough to maintain when it was in
one piece.   I don't know how they get away with these things. 

**Not to be confused with Baltimore City. 

>>already was a traffic light, and I've heard no complaints since the
>>shopping area was built.  IOW, the petition drive failed.  I wish all
>>liars would fail.
>
>(-:
>
>[Anyone UK who's stayed this far - can you forward the petition to 
>somewhere? Thanks. (Even if you don't agree, you should still vote for 
>it, since at present you can't vote against!)]

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#57863

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 23 Nov 2018 20:10:49 +0000, "J. P.
Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

>
>I don't know about models, but most 'phone stalls/shops here (UK) I 
>think still have some neon cases.

Bev tends to have unusual problems, but I see stalls with loads of
cases, surely some are neon. 
>-- 
>J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
>
>Have you ever heard about a petition, disagreed with it, but been frustrated
>that there's no way you can *show* that you disagree? If so, have a look at
>https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 - and please pass it on if you
>agree, especially to twitter, facebook, gransnet/mumsnet, or any such forum.
>
>Odds are, the phrase "It's none of my business" will be followed by "but".

I didn't notice until layer that this is your petitiion.  But not being
British, I don't think I should sign it. 

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#57832

"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:pt9e1r$nh8$1@dont-email.me...
> On 11/23/2018 05:14 AM, SC Tom wrote:
>>
>>
>> "NY" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:LOSdnSWsB4FoeGrGnZ2dnUU78dXNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
>>> news:n3hvqxceu7gg.dlg@v.nguard.lh...
>>>> NY wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Like an idiot I never put an adhesive screen protective film on my
>>>>> phone.
>>>>> Even though I've been very careful about not putting it in the same
>>>>> pocket
>>>>> as anything hard (eg metal - coins, etc) it's somehow got a few little
>>>>> scratches and shallow chips in the glass.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are only visible in reflected light that strikes at a shallow
>>>>> angle,
>>>>> almost parallel to the glass, and are not visible in the transmitted
>>>>> light
>>>>> from the screen itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I fit an adhesive screen film now, is its adhesive surface likely 
>>>>> to
>>>>> make
>>>>> the chips more visible?
>>>>>
>>>>> These are chips, not full-thickness cracks :-) I realise that there is
>>>>> no
>>>>> hope for a crack.
>>>>
>>>> No idea what phone you are asking about since you didn't mention brand
>>>> and model.  Perhaps it has a plastic screen.  If glass has nicks, it
>>>> wasn't from whatever was in your pocket or a finger ring's metal band
>>>> (but not its diamond gem) but from drops or handling (putting face down
>>>> on a table to activate the screen lock, sliding it around a tabletop).
>>>
>>> It's a Samsung Galaxy S7 which as far as I can tell has a glass screen.
>>> I've got it in a rubberised case of the sort you describe which means 
>>> that
>>> if it is placed face-down on a table etc, the screen is held a few mm
>>> proud of the surface the phone is resting on. However I normally keep it
>>> in my trouser pocket, with the screen touching the inside of the pocket
>>> next to my thigh.
>>>
>>> I too wouldn't expect glass to be scratched by metal objects (coins, my
>>> gold wedding ring etc), and the only other thing I keep in that pocket 
>>> is
>>> a little diary with a cardboard cover and a pencil in the spine (the
>>> pencil has a plastic top on the non-lead end of it). And I always put 
>>> that
>>> against the back of the phone.
>>>
>>> Odd that over the year or so I've had the phone, the glass has got 
>>> several
>>> chips about 2 mm long despite being careful.
>>>
>>> At least a screen protector shouldn't *accentuate* the visibility of the
>>> scratches, which is what I was concerned about if the glue on the
>>> protector filled the crack.
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/6qJrYJkc/Img-1372.jpg is some of the scratches -
>>> ruler divisions are miliimetres. That's with the screen unlit and the
>>> camera not looking square-on to the screen, to show up the scratches.
>>
>> I used this brand for my S4:
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Galaxy-Protector-Coverage-Anti-Glare-Bubble-Free/dp/B01FL4AYUK/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1542975620&sr=1-4&keywords=galaxy+s7+screen+protector+matte>
>>
>> It's not glass, but it is anti-glare (matte finish) which is what I was
>> looking for (the glass protectors are too reflective for me). The 
>> adhesive
>> is an almost "flowing" substance that should fill in any slight
>> imperfections in the existing glass (it did on my wife's LG). Most 
>> important
>> step is clean, clean, and clean again the surface before installation, 
>> and
>> install it in a dust-free area.
>
> It's hard to find matte protectors, but I really hate the glare from the 
> glass surfaces.  I buy mine from ebay for considerably less. (3 for $2.00; 
> those aren't available any more, but I'm sure there are lots of others.) 
> I botched the first one, but the one I put on my Moto G last year was the 
> best application I've ever done -- only two dust blobs and lifted but 
> problemless areas around the bottom where I touched it.  I keep my phone 
> in my purse or hip pocket when I go out, and on a table the rest of the 
> time.  The protector itself seems to have sustained no scratches.  Given 
> my ham-fistedness, I'm reluctant to use the third one unless I absolutely 
> have to.  I don't even notice the little dust-bubbles any more unless the 
> phone is off.
>
> I do have a rubbery thin case on the phone, which protects the back and 
> edges.  Really gripes me that you can't find neon colors any more -- I 
> mostly want the cover so I can FIND the phone!
>
>> I had the protector on my phone for over two years, and never had it 
>> shift,
>> lift, or get any bubbles under it. The surface still looked good when I
>> finally retired it for a newer phone (the S4 was Android 5.x and my 
>> banking
>> and Pizza Hut <BG> apps now require 6.x or higher).
>>
>> Disclaimer: I rarely carried my phone in a pocket. Mostly it was carried 
>> in
>> a belt holster, or, in cooler weather, in my inside jacket pocket. When 
>> it
>> was carried in a pants pocket, it was usually in my tennis shorts with
>> nothing else in that pocket except my leather wallet :-)
>
Here are a few:
<https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=moto+g+neon+case>

<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=moto+g+neon+case&_sacat=0>

Who knows, you might even find a glow-in-the-dark one :-)
-- 

SC Tom
 

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#57837

NY wrote:

> the only other thing I keep in that pocket is 
> a little diary with a cardboard cover and a pencil in the spine (the 
> pencil

Is there a pink eraser on the end of the pencil?  Pink erasers have grit
in them (pumice aka volcanic glass).  Glass can scratch glass.  That's
why you NEVER use a pink eraser to clean oxide off PCB connectors as
that will put gouges in the connectors, is overly abrasive (after all,
you know pink erasers will drill through paper with many passes), and
can leave grit embedded in the foil for the connector on a PCB.

Back pockets in pants can't be turned inside out; however, hopefully you
aren't using a back pocket to tote your phone since sitting down would
bend the phone.  You might want to start turning out the front pockets
when the pants are laundered to make sure you wash out the dust, lint,
sand, or other debris in your pockets.

There is clay, dirt, minerals, and other abrasives in cardboard.  Maybe
you should get a diary with a vinyl cover.

> https://i.postimg.cc/6qJrYJkc/Img-1372.jpg is some of the scratches - ruler 
> divisions are miliimetres. That's with the screen unlit and the camera not 
> looking square-on to the screen, to show up the scratches.

I'm going to ask what might sound like a dumb question; however, I have
seen it happen many times.  Have you yet peeled off the protective film
off the screen that comes on the phone from the manufacturer?

I've read where some users have used toothpaste (paste, not gel) or a
baking soda paste (just a little water) or combo of toothpaste and
baking soda to remove scratches from glass.  I don't know if that works
on tempered glass.  I suspect toothpaste has a much coarser grit than an
aluminum oxide polish (e.g., Mother's wheel polish.  What you are doing
is sanding the glass with a very fine grit.  In fact, I've used 0000
(that's 4 zeros) steel wool on my windshield (ONLY the outside) to
polish it up (but never tried it on phone glass); however, in this case,
steel is softer than glass, so what the steel wool does is clean all
debris off the glass.

While you have a glass screen, it may be impregnated with an oleophonic
coating to reduce the visibility of fingerprints.  Abrasive polishing,
like with toothpaste or any polish, can remove that coating, so you'll
have to reapply it.  Alcohol wipes will also wipe away the coating.
There are alcohol-free (and ammonia-free) [eye]glass cleaning solutions.

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/How+to+apply+anti-fingerprint+oleophobic+coating/9682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIN-KvGYfw4

I don't see you have much to loss by getting a $5 tempered glass screen
protector.  You might want to get 2 just in case the first one ends
being a failed application.  After cleaning the screen with lint-free
cloth, use a bright light at an angle to check for any little dust specs
on the screen.  You don't want them captured, like a fly trap.

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#57840

"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message 
news:1rfgyn7v03u2e$.dlg@v.nguard.lh...
> Is there a pink eraser on the end of the pencil?  Pink erasers have grit
> in them (pumice aka volcanic glass).

Good question. I'd forgotten about those. But this pencil just has a plastic 
end.

> Back pockets in pants can't be turned inside out; however, hopefully you
> aren't using a back pocket to tote your phone since sitting down would
> bend the phone.  You might want to start turning out the front pockets
> when the pants are laundered to make sure you wash out the dust, lint,
> sand, or other debris in your pockets.

Now that's a really good idea. I need to get into the habit of doing that 
when I do the washing.

I have been tempted to put my phone in my back pocket. Occasionally I put my 
keys in there to stop them wearing a hole in the thin lining of the front 
packets. I only realise that this is not a good idea when I come to sit 
down...


>> https://i.postimg.cc/6qJrYJkc/Img-1372.jpg is some of the scratches - 
>> ruler
>> divisions are miliimetres. That's with the screen unlit and the camera 
>> not
>> looking square-on to the screen, to show up the scratches.
>
> I'm going to ask what might sound like a dumb question; however, I have
> seen it happen many times.  Have you yet peeled off the protective film
> off the screen that comes on the phone from the manufacturer?

Not so dumb. I *have* peeled off the protective film, but there was one 
device that I had where I forgot to peel the film off the display for ages, 
and only remembered when the film started to get scratched and to peel at 
the edges.


> I've read where some users have used toothpaste (paste, not gel) or a
> baking soda paste (just a little water) or combo of toothpaste and
> baking soda to remove scratches from glass.  I don't know if that works
> on tempered glass.

I wondered about trying to polish out the scratches by smoothing any sharp 
edges. Tempered glass may be too hard for it to work. I might try polishing 
a small corner and check that the scratches caused by the toothpaste etc 
aren't visible. Good point about the anti-fingerprint coating. I didn't know 
that even alcohol removed that.

> I don't see you have much to loss by getting a $5 tempered glass screen
> protector.  You might want to get 2 just in case the first one ends
> being a failed application.  After cleaning the screen with lint-free
> cloth, use a bright light at an angle to check for any little dust specs
> on the screen.  You don't want them captured, like a fly trap.

Yes, I'll get a cheap screen protector. I presume it's OK to clean the 
screen with alcohol in this case (to remove any remaining fingerprints etc) 
because once the protector is on, I won't be touching the screen any more. I 
know about dust and the problems if any gets trapped underneath - and the 
problems with Newton's rings (rainbow moiré fringes) if anything creates a 
variable gap between screen and protector. 

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#57841

In article <-5KdnRUYAfW29WTGnZ2dnUU78N_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, NY
<me@privacy.net> wrote:

> 
> Yes, I'll get a cheap screen protector.

don't get a cheap one. 

> I presume it's OK to clean the 
> screen with alcohol in this case (to remove any remaining fingerprints etc) 
> because once the protector is on, I won't be touching the screen any more. I
> know about dust and the problems if any gets trapped underneath - and the 
> problems with Newton's rings (rainbow moiré fringes) if anything creates a 
> variable gap between screen and protector. 

all that's needed is a lint-free cloth, which is normally included with
the screen protector.

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#57849

NY wrote:

> Yes, I'll get a cheap screen protector. I presume it's OK to clean the 
> screen with alcohol in this case (to remove any remaining fingerprints etc) 
> because once the protector is on, I won't be touching the screen any more.

If you wear glasses, perhaps your glass cleaner spray is alcohol-free;
else, you could get some.

If the oleophonic coating has degraded, it will also add defects to the
glass which look like water spots on glasses after you wash them in the
dishwasher.  You can search Youtube to see what damaged oleophonic
coating looks like on phones with glass screens.  If there is damage,
I'd re-treat the glass with the oleophonic coating (you can buy kits
online) and buff it clean before applying a glass screen protector.

Do NOT get a plastic film screen protector.  It'll look worse than your
current screen after awhile adding its scratches to those already on
your phone's glass screen.  Plastic also has a higher friction, so your
finger won't slide across it as easily as with a glass protector sheet.
I've used glass protectors on phones with plastic screens just to reduce
the friction to move my finger across the screen.

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#57850

In article <1w8kuxogqbp2u.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
wrote:

> 
> Do NOT get a plastic film screen protector.  It'll look worse than your
> current screen after awhile adding its scratches to those already on
> your phone's glass screen.  Plastic also has a higher friction, so your
> finger won't slide across it as easily as with a glass protector sheet.
> I've used glass protectors on phones with plastic screens just to reduce
> the friction to move my finger across the screen.

as someone who has used plastic screen protectors on more than a dozen
devices, bullshit.

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#57861

In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 24 Nov 2018 07:33:25 -0600, VanguardLH
<V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>
>I'm going to ask what might sound like a dumb question; however, I have
>seen it happen many times.  Have you yet peeled off the protective film
>off the screen that comes on the phone from the manufacturer?

Not a stupid question. 

My earlier phone was a year old and the screen was getting scratched, so
while travelilng I went to a store to buy a new protector.  In the
process, he figured out that the original film was still on it and the
screen itself was perfect. I felt rather stupid.  He told me I didnt'
have to buy anything, but I still bought the thing I'd asked for. 

I always leave film on until it's no good anymore, to protect my new
stuff. 

I bought a camera and before I knew it the salesman had taken the film
off the screen, so the next time I stopped him first.  I don't need
someone else to unwrap what I buy. 

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#57870

In message <ffqkvd1lpfmq77lv24gajv6s9shj966lk9@4ax.com>, micky 
<NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> writes:
[]
>I always leave film on until it's no good anymore, to protect my new
>stuff.

YANA. (With my XP laptop and the last TV I bought [small one for the 
bedroom], there was a piece of fairly stiff - but not adhesive, and not 
in contact with the screen - clear plastic; on the netbook I think it 
was stuck by four sticky patches, on the TV by pieces of tape. They 
remained on.
>
>I bought a camera and before I knew it the salesman had taken the film
>off the screen, so the next time I stopped him first.  I don't need
>someone else to unwrap what I buy.

Especially in that case: they're arguably removing something you've paid 
for, and/or which could affect returnability. (Not that I'd accept that 
argument, but I'm sure that's in the back of his mind.)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Have you ever heard about a petition, disagreed with it, but been frustrated
that there's no way you can *show* that you disagree? If so, have a look at
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 - and please pass it on if you
agree, especially to twitter, facebook, gransnet/mumsnet, or any such forum.

Never be led astray onto the path of virtue.

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#57927

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 25 Nov 2018 17:32:48 +0000, "J. P.
Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <ffqkvd1lpfmq77lv24gajv6s9shj966lk9@4ax.com>, micky 
><NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> writes:
>[]
>>I always leave film on until it's no good anymore, to protect my new
>>stuff.
>
>YANA. (With my XP laptop and the last TV I bought [small one for the 
>bedroom], there was a piece of fairly stiff - but not adhesive, and not 
>in contact with the screen - clear plastic; on the netbook I think it 
>was stuck by four sticky patches, on the TV by pieces of tape. They 
>remained on.
>>
>>I bought a camera and before I knew it the salesman had taken the film
>>off the screen, so the next time I stopped him first.  I don't need
>>someone else to unwrap what I buy.
>
>Especially in that case: they're arguably removing something you've paid 
>for, and/or which could affect returnability. (Not that I'd accept that 
>argument, but I'm sure that's in the back of his mind.)

Oh, yeah.  Hadn't thought of that.   

Before my first big trip in 1970, I planned to buy a camera a month in
advance of leaving to make sure it worked, ended up buying it a day in
advance, and didnt' have time to develop the film until 3 or 4 weeks in,
when I got to Guatemala.   (this camera got soaked in chocolate milk
about 18 years later so I had to buy another one.) 

Then in 2007, I thought my film camera was fine beffore I left and ended
up buying a digital camera while on the trip, then decided a week later
that the one I bought was too heavy, and bought another at the same
store.  I'm not usually such a spendthrift. 

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