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| First post | 2025-09-19 14:47 +0000 |
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The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-19 14:47 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-19 20:42 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-20 10:39 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-20 14:12 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-20 19:26 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-20 15:31 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-20 17:34 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 22:17 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:11 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 22:17 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 22:08 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-20 06:38 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 22:36 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-21 15:39 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 05:23 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-22 15:58 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 21:40 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-23 00:09 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:33 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 02:19 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 06:25 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 16:55 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 10:12 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-23 16:12 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 19:50 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-09-24 08:15 +1200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-09-23 16:01 -0500
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 02:14 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-24 10:28 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 16:57 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-25 21:29 +1000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 07:34 -0400
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-25 15:25 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 14:26 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 14:37 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-25 15:34 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 16:58 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 19:38 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-26 23:10 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-28 19:56 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-29 06:49 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-29 16:55 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-09-30 08:30 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-30 17:20 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-30 20:50 +1000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Smithwicks <user@nonsenseurl.com.invalid> - 2025-09-30 12:02 -0400
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-30 17:04 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-10-01 08:36 +1300
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:54 -0500
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-26 16:26 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-26 19:44 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-24 10:29 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 17:06 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:05 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-09-25 09:27 +1200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-09-24 18:41 -0500
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 08:59 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-25 16:07 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 09:11 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-25 16:31 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 19:26 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-26 16:30 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:09 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-26 16:34 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-26 23:10 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:33 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 02:12 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 06:19 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 17:05 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-20 11:00 +0200
Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-20 12:48 +0000
Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 13:54 +0000
Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-20 16:17 +0200
Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-09-21 10:09 +1200
Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-20 23:42 -0400
Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:51 +0200
Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:51 +0200
Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-09-24 08:18 +1200
Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-09-23 17:38 -0500
Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-24 08:39 -0400
Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-23 21:01 +0000
Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 03:05 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:42 -0700
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 09:09 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-23 05:00 -0400
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:29 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:10 -0700
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-24 17:45 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-09-24 23:27 -0700
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 08:57 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-09-25 09:19 -0700
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 19:21 +0200
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-25 04:40 -0400
Re: Hey Troll Boy Arlen you lying piece of shit... (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-21 05:28 +0000
Re: Hey Troll Boy Arlen you lying piece of shit... (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-09-21 17:40 +1200
Re: Hey Troll Boy Arlen you lying piece of shit... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-21 13:50 +0000
Re: Hey Troll Boy Arlen you lying piece of shit... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-21 14:56 +0000
Re: Hey Troll Boy Arlen you lying piece of shit... Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-21 15:08 +0000
Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-26 16:39 +0000
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| From | Marion <marionf@fact.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-19 14:47 +0000 |
| Subject | The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems |
| Message-ID | <10ajqe7$u2o$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
This is posted simply to point out the obvious fact that every major OS vendor issues hotfixes for older unsupported releases from time to time. But for full support of all known vulnerabilities, each vendor does it differently, where Microsoft, by far, has the best support & Apple the worst. Windows 10 Full Support Timeline Release date: 29 July 2015 End of support date: 14 October 2025 Duration: Approximately 10 years of full security support for all known vulnerabilities Notes: After 14 October 2025, Extended Security Updates (ESU) will be available for up to 3 additional years (paid program) extending critical fix coverage to October 2028 While Microsoft has the best full hotfix support, the timelines are random. Microsoft Windows Windows 10 Release date: 29 July 2015 End of support: 14 October 2025 Duration: ~10 years full security support Notes: After Oct 2025, Extended Security Updates (ESU) available for up to 3 more years (paid) Apple iOS iOS 15 (example older major release) Release date: 20 September 2021 Full support ended: 12 September 2022 (when iOS 16 launched) Duration: ~1 year full security support Notes: After that, only selective patches for severe/actively exploited flaws Google Android Android 12 (example older major release) Release date: 4 October 2021 Full security support ended: 3 March 2025 Duration: ~3 years and 5 months full security support Notes: Timeline varies by version; Google Pixel devices typically received 3–5 years depending on model Specifically for the current releases, as of today... Full-Support Timelines for All Known Vulnerabilities Microsoft Windows Windows 10 Release date: 29 July 2015 End of support: 14 October 2025 Duration: ~10 years full security support Notes: After Oct 2025, Extended Security Updates (ESU) available for up to 3 more years (paid) Google Pixel Pixel 8 series Release date: 4 October 2023 End of support: October 2030 Duration: 7 years full support (Android OS and security updates) Notes: Covers all Android upgrades, Pixel feature drops, and security patches for the full period Samsung Galaxy Galaxy S24 series Release date: 17 January 2024 End of support: January 2031 Duration: 7 years full support (Android OS and security updates) Notes: Matches Google 7 year commitment for both OS and security updates Apple iPhone iPhone 15 series Release date: 22 September 2023 Guaranteed full support: Until September 2028 Duration: Minimum 5 years full security support Notes: Apple only guarantees 5 years; historically some devices get more, but it is at Apple random discretion and not a firm commitment Summary Microsoft leads in total years of guaranteed full security support for a single OS release (Windows 10 at ~10 years). Google and Samsung now match each other with 7 years of full OS and security updates for their latest flagships. Apple officially guarantees the shortest period at 5 years, making it the least competitive in terms of assured long term full support. What I base all my decisions upon, and I would hope others do too, is on facts, which are well documented and known to everyone who cares to learn. *Samsung phones backed with seven years of full support* <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/> *Google Pixel backed with seven years of full support* <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates> *Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones* *and it's less than Samsung and Google* <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/> Chris wrote: > Apple >> does actually continue supporting some of the the older OS versions for >> a while longer with important fixes, even after a new one is released. > > Correct. He also doesn't understand that any version of ios supports many > generations of models and drops support from newer ios versions very > slowly. I understand both iOS & Android support better'n any of you Apple trolls. Apple clearly has the worst bugfix support of all common operating systems. <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/> When it comes to security fixes, Apple's established policy is that only the latest major OS release is fully patched for all known vulnerabilities. >> For example, iPadOS had an update to 17.7.10 (yes, 17) only a month >> ago, even though iPadsOS 18 was released a year ago. > > The only difference in older model support between iPadOS 17 & 18 is the > ipad 6th gen. Notably a 7 year-old device. There must be enough active ones > out there for Apple to patch. Every OS OEM vendor patches older releases when they feel it necessary. Older iOS versions - even ones Apple is still "supporting" with occasional updates do not get every fix. They only receive selective patches for the most severe or actively exploited flaws. That's why when Apple pushes something like iOS 15.8.5 in 2025, it's not because they're maintaining iOS 15 in parallel, it's an exception for a high-impact bug affecting a large installed base of older devices. We can refer to them as "exception patches", which are great, but you Apple trolls need to understand that every OS vendor releases exception patches. Recent Microsoft Windows "Exception" Security Patches (unsupported versions) 1. 2023-10-10 Windows Server 2012 / 2012 R2 Patched multiple critical vulnerabilities including CVE-2023-44487 (HTTP/2 Rapid Reset DoS) Official end of support was Oct 2023, but fix released anyway 2. 2023-07-11 Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 Patched actively exploited SmartScreen security feature bypass (CVE-2023-32046) ESU program ended Jan 2023, but Microsoft issued an out-of-band fix due to exploitation 3. 2022-09-13 Windows Server 2008 SP2 Patched critical Remote Procedure Call Runtime RCE (CVE-2022-26809) Support ended Jan 2020, but fix released nonetheless 4. 2021-07-06 Windows XP SP3 and Windows Server 2003 Emergency patch for PrintNightmare vulnerability (CVE-2021-34527) Support ended in 2014/2015, but Microsoft issued rare XP/2003 patch due to active exploitation 5. 2019-05-14 Windows XP SP3 and Windows Server 2003 Patched BlueKeep RDP vulnerability (CVE-2019-0708) Wormable flaw prompted Microsoft to release updates for XP/2003 despite long EOL 6. 2017-03-14 Windows XP SP3 and Windows Server 2003 Patched SMBv1 flaw later exploited by WannaCry (CVE-2017-0144) Out-of-band updates released in May 2017 after attacks began > In contrast iOS 17 has had only three updates since the release of 18 > because all iOS 17 compatible devices are also compatible with iOS 18. You Apple trolls don't even realize that every OEM OS vendor does that. Here is a list of recent exception patches for older iOS versions. Recent iOS "Exception" Security Patches (unsupported versions) 1. 2025-09-15 iOS 15.8.5 Fixed zero-day in ImageIO (CVE-2025-43300) Arbitrary code execution via malicious images Same flaw patched in iOS 26 and iOS 18.7 2. 2025-09-15 iOS 16.7.12 Same ImageIO zero-day fix for iPhone 8 / X era devices Devices that cannot run iOS 18 or iOS 26 3. 2025-03-31 iOS 15.8.4 and iOS 16.7.11 Emergency WebKit zero-day patch Actively exploited in the wild 4. 2023-01-23 iOS 12.5.7 Patched WebKit RCE flaw Targeted very old devices (iPhone 5s, 6, iPad Air 1) 5. 2019-07-22 iOS 9.3.6 and iOS 10.3.4 GPS rollover bug fix Prevented location services from breaking > iOS 15 & 16 received an update this week, interestingly. What you Apple trolls don't understand is every OS vendor does exception patches of unsupported releases, just as Apple just patched iOS 15, which is 3 major versions behind & officially unsupported for full hotfixes. Recent Android "Exception" Security Patches for unsupported versions are 1. 2025-09-05 Android 12 / 12L Patched two actively exploited zero-days: CVE-2025-38352 (Kernel privilege escalation) CVE-2025-48543 (Android Runtime sandbox escape) Security support for Android 12 ended Mar 2025, but fix was backported via OEM updates and Google Play system modules 2. 2024-08-05 Android 11 Patched critical libwebp vulnerability (CVE-2023-4863) Remote code execution via malicious images Even as Android 11 support ended Feb 2024 3. 2023-09-05 Android 10 Patched actively exploited kernel vulnerability (CVE-2023-35674) Allowed privilege escalation from apps to system Android 10 support ended Mar 2023, but fix issued for select devices 4. 2022-09-06 Android 8.1 and 9 Patched critical Bluetooth RCE flaw (CVE-2022-20345) Exploitable without user interaction Support for these versions had ended, but patch released for Android Go and some enterprise devices 5. 2019-07-01 Android 5.1 and 6.0 Patched high-profile media framework bug (Stagefright-related) Remote code execution via crafted media files Support ended years earlier, but fix pushed to Android nonetheless
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| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-19 20:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10akf8j$nrob$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #150619 |
On 9/19/25 7:47 AM, Marion wrote: >Microsoft leads in total years of guaranteed full security support for a >single OS release (Windows 10 at ~10 years). Chromebooks come with 10 years of updates. But my refurb Chrome tablet came with only 5 years left and a regular Chromebook I bought new only had 8 years left. So it's perhaps wise to check dates before buying one. On the other hand I doubt many folks will keep a tablet or laptop for 10 years. Something (battery?) will likely fail first. Or maybe they (me) just want something new to play with... <https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en>
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-20 10:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10am79r.8cs.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #150620 |
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: > On 9/19/25 7:47 AM, Marion wrote: > > >Microsoft leads in total years of guaranteed full security support for a > >single OS release (Windows 10 at ~10 years). > > Chromebooks come with 10 years of updates. But my refurb Chrome tablet came > with only 5 years left and a regular Chromebook I bought new only had 8 > years left. So it's perhaps wise to check dates before buying one. On the > other hand I doubt many folks will keep a tablet or laptop for 10 years. > Something (battery?) will likely fail first. Or maybe they (me) just want > something new to play with... > > <https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en> Indeed not many folks will keep a tablet or laptop for 10 years, but my wife's laptop is well over 11 years old (15MAY2014). And yes, it's battery failed, but it could be easily replaced (from the outside). But it can't be upgraded to Windows 11, so probably only a few weeks or months to go. N.B. My Windows 8.1 laptop lasted about 8 years (all the time with Windows 8.1). Then a hardware failure (display) caused me to buy a new one (with Windows 11).
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-20 14:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <2ai2qlxg9t.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #150628 |
On 2025-09-20 12:39, Frank Slootweg wrote: > AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: >> On 9/19/25 7:47 AM, Marion wrote: >> >>> Microsoft leads in total years of guaranteed full security support for a >>> single OS release (Windows 10 at ~10 years). >> >> Chromebooks come with 10 years of updates. But my refurb Chrome tablet came >> with only 5 years left and a regular Chromebook I bought new only had 8 >> years left. So it's perhaps wise to check dates before buying one. On the >> other hand I doubt many folks will keep a tablet or laptop for 10 years. >> Something (battery?) will likely fail first. Or maybe they (me) just want >> something new to play with... >> >> <https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en> > > Indeed not many folks will keep a tablet or laptop for 10 years, but > my wife's laptop is well over 11 years old (15MAY2014). And yes, it's > battery failed, but it could be easily replaced (from the outside). I bought my tablet on 2016-08. Actually that one fell to the floor, cracked the glass and stopped responding to the finger touch; so I bought another identical one three months later. Years later a guy at a shop told me that I could still use the first one with a mouse, so I actually use both tablets. So not yet 10 years, but the problem is not the tablet itself, but the ancient Android that it runs. Several apps crash often on it. If these machines could be upgraded as computers are, the hardware is still capable. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-20 19:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10amv4p$1afuu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #150629 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: >Frank Slootweg wrote: >>AJL wrote: >>>I doubt many folks will keep a tablet or laptop for 10 years. >>Indeed not many folks will keep a tablet or laptop for 10 years, >I bought my tablet on 2016-08. Actually that one fell to the floor, >cracked the glass and stopped responding to the finger touch; so I >bought another identical one three months later. Years later a guy at a >shop told me that I could still use the first one with a mouse, so I >actually use both tablets. >So not yet 10 years, but the problem is not the tablet itself, but the >ancient Android that it runs. Several apps crash often on it. This Amazon Fire HD-10 tablet I'm posting with runs an older fork of Android and I occasionally have that problem. For example after using Reddit for many months it suddenly quit working. So I now have to either use it in the tablet browser or switch to another of my toys. >If these machines could be upgraded as computers are, the hardware is still capable. I think that is perhaps my problem. Amazon periodically updates this tablet and that can break my side loaded Android apps...
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| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-20 15:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10amhbk$16odj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #150628 |
On 9/20/25 3:39 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: >> On 9/19/25 7:47 AM, Marion wrote: >> >> >Microsoft leads in total years of guaranteed full security support for a >> >single OS release (Windows 10 at ~10 years). >> >> Chromebooks come with 10 years of updates. But my refurb Chrome tablet came >> with only 5 years left and a regular Chromebook I bought new only had 8 >> years left. So it's perhaps wise to check dates before buying one. On the >> other hand I doubt many folks will keep a tablet or laptop for 10 years. >> Something (battery?) will likely fail first. Or maybe they (me) just want >> something new to play with... >> >> <https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en> >Indeed not many folks will keep a tablet or laptop for 10 years, but >my wife's laptop is well over 11 years old (15MAY2014). My wife's HP 23" Envy Touchsmart Desktop was purchased in 6/14 (also 11 years old) with Windows 8. She still uses it. I bought her a modern 17" laptop a few years back and she gave it back. Didn't like it. Still prefers the desktop. And for her use (like producing family calendars) it still works just fine. >And yes, it's >battery failed, but it could be easily replaced (from the outside). Here there are stores that will replace locked inside batteries which is still cheaper than buying new. My Samsung Galaxy S10+ is over 6 years old now and still on the original battery. But I think that's probably unusual. And when it does finally fail I'll replace the phone since its last update was over a year ago (6/24). >But it can't be upgraded to Windows 11, so probably only a few weeks >or months to go. Unless it's used for sensitive stuff I would see little reason to replace it. Like me you surely have other up to date gear for that. >N.B. My Windows 8.1 laptop lasted about 8 years (all the time with >Windows 8.1). Then a hardware failure (display) caused me to buy a new >one (with Windows 11). I usually update my toys for fun. The great grandkids are the winners. I stopped giving away stuff to the grandkids when they became adults. One of my grandkids turns age 40 this year... 8-O
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-20 17:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10amvj3.bf0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #150633 |
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: > On 9/20/25 3:39 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: > >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: > >> On 9/19/25 7:47 AM, Marion wrote: > >> > >> >Microsoft leads in total years of guaranteed full security support for a > >> >single OS release (Windows 10 at ~10 years). > >> > >> Chromebooks come with 10 years of updates. But my refurb Chrome tablet came > >> with only 5 years left and a regular Chromebook I bought new only had 8 > >> years left. So it's perhaps wise to check dates before buying one. On the > >> other hand I doubt many folks will keep a tablet or laptop for 10 years. > >> Something (battery?) will likely fail first. Or maybe they (me) just want > >> something new to play with... > >> > >> <https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en> > > > >Indeed not many folks will keep a tablet or laptop for 10 years, but > >my wife's laptop is well over 11 years old (15MAY2014). > > My wife's HP 23" Envy Touchsmart Desktop was purchased in 6/14 (also 11 > years old) with Windows 8. She still uses it. I bought her a modern 17" > laptop a few years back and she gave it back. Didn't like it. Still prefers > the desktop. And for her use (like producing family calendars) it still > works just fine. My wife's laptop is also a 17" one. We bought one with a bigger, wider screen for making photo albums and other photo stuff. Now the laptop is a 'desktop', because this one also had (past tense) display problems. So now it has a big(ger) screen (22") and seperate keyboard and mouse. The laptop sits in the drawer of a small desk. So basically your wife and mine have similar setups. [...] > >But it can't be upgraded to Windows 11, so probably only a few weeks > >or months to go. > > Unless it's used for sensitive stuff I would see little reason to replace > it. Like me you surely have other up to date gear for that. Her laptop/desktop is also getting very/too slow, so I will probably bite the bullet and get her a new 'desktop' (Mini-PC). > >N.B. My Windows 8.1 laptop lasted about 8 years (all the time with > >Windows 8.1). Then a hardware failure (display) caused me to buy a new > >one (with Windows 11). > > I usually update my toys for fun. The great grandkids are the winners. I > stopped giving away stuff to the grandkids when they became adults. One of > my grandkids turns age 40 this year... 8-O Our oldest grandkid is 'only' 20. And I've probably said it before: I don't donate old stuff to my (grand)kids. If anything, it's the other way around! (Just kidding.)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-21 22:17 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <k336qlxi35.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #150633 |
On 2025-09-20 17:31, AJL wrote: > On 9/20/25 3:39 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: >> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: >>> On 9/19/25 7:47 AM, Marion wrote: ... >> Indeed not many folks will keep a tablet or laptop for 10 years, but >> my wife's laptop is well over 11 years old (15MAY2014). > > My wife's HP 23" Envy Touchsmart Desktop was purchased in 6/14 (also 11 > years old) with Windows 8. She still uses it. I bought her a modern 17" > laptop a few years back and she gave it back. Didn't like it. Still prefers > the desktop. And for her use (like producing family calendars) it still > works just fine. > >> And yes, it's >> battery failed, but it could be easily replaced (from the outside). > > Here there are stores that will replace locked inside batteries which is > still cheaper than buying new. My Samsung Galaxy S10+ is over 6 years old > now and still on the original battery. But I think that's probably unusual. > And when it does finally fail I'll replace the phone since its last update > was over a year ago (6/24). > >> But it can't be upgraded to Windows 11, so probably only a few weeks >> or months to go. > > Unless it's used for sensitive stuff I would see little reason to replace > it. Like me you surely have other up to date gear for that. Well, I used my tablet to play Amazon Prime videos, sending them to the sitting room TV via a Chromecast USB dongle. These type of apps have to be recent or they can refuse to run. Now it crashes too much on the tablet, but fortunately my new smart TV (LG) comes with apps that play them videos. Makes one wonder how many years will that TV work. Mine is small, but I don't think one would want to replace a bed sized TV often. > >> N.B. My Windows 8.1 laptop lasted about 8 years (all the time with >> Windows 8.1). Then a hardware failure (display) caused me to buy a new >> one (with Windows 11). > > I usually update my toys for fun. The great grandkids are the winners. I > stopped giving away stuff to the grandkids when they became adults. One of > my grandkids turns age 40 this year... 8-O :-D -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-22 14:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10arseg.rt0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #150651 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-09-20 17:31, AJL wrote: > > On 9/20/25 3:39 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: [...] [About my wife's Windows 10 laptop/'desktop':] > >> But it can't be upgraded to Windows 11, so probably only a few weeks > >> or months to go. > > > > Unless it's used for sensitive stuff I would see little reason to replace > > it. Like me you surely have other up to date gear for that. > > Well, I used my tablet to play Amazon Prime videos, sending them to the > sitting room TV via a Chromecast USB dongle. > > These type of apps have to be recent or they can refuse to run. > > Now it crashes too much on the tablet, but fortunately my new smart TV > (LG) comes with apps that play them videos. Makes one wonder how many > years will that TV work. Mine is small, but I don't think one would want > to replace a bed sized TV often. I recently bought a Google TV Streamer 4K (as a replacement for a - temporarily - no longer working Google Chromecast (2nd generation)). It's a little box which runs many Android apps, which you can connect to the network (Wi-Fi or hardwired) and via HDMI to a TV and which you can control with the supplied remote or/and your smartphone. You have a kind of 'Play Store' facility to download and install apps. For example I've tried the VLC app. I don't know if you can 'sideload' apps. I like it and use it very often, for example to watch F1 TV (Formula 1 motorracing, etc.) and streaming past broadcasts from my (cable) broadcast provider. My (2010) TV was a 'Smart TV' at the time, but its apps were no longer working/supported. By bying the Google TV Streamer 4K, I again have a 'smart' TV for a relatively low investment (EUR 119). [...]
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-22 22:17 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ggn8qlxr6m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #150658 |
On 2025-09-22 16:11, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2025-09-20 17:31, AJL wrote: >>> On 9/20/25 3:39 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: > [...] > > [About my wife's Windows 10 laptop/'desktop':] > >>>> But it can't be upgraded to Windows 11, so probably only a few weeks >>>> or months to go. >>> >>> Unless it's used for sensitive stuff I would see little reason to replace >>> it. Like me you surely have other up to date gear for that. >> >> Well, I used my tablet to play Amazon Prime videos, sending them to the >> sitting room TV via a Chromecast USB dongle. >> >> These type of apps have to be recent or they can refuse to run. >> >> Now it crashes too much on the tablet, but fortunately my new smart TV >> (LG) comes with apps that play them videos. Makes one wonder how many >> years will that TV work. Mine is small, but I don't think one would want >> to replace a bed sized TV often. > > I recently bought a Google TV Streamer 4K (as a replacement for a - > temporarily - no longer working Google Chromecast (2nd generation)). > > It's a little box which runs many Android apps, which you can > connect to the network (Wi-Fi or hardwired) and via HDMI to a TV and > which you can control with the supplied remote or/and your smartphone. > You have a kind of 'Play Store' facility to download and install apps. > For example I've tried the VLC app. I don't know if you can 'sideload' > apps. > > I like it and use it very often, for example to watch F1 TV (Formula 1 > motorracing, etc.) and streaming past broadcasts from my (cable) > broadcast provider. > > My (2010) TV was a 'Smart TV' at the time, but its apps were no longer > working/supported. By bying the Google TV Streamer 4K, I again have a > 'smart' TV for a relatively low investment (EUR 119). Ah. That's interesting to know. > > [...] -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-19 22:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10akk9a$p17f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #150619 |
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote: > > Google Android > Android 12 (example older major release) > Release date: 4 October 2021 > Full security support ended: 3 March 2025 > Duration: ~3 years and 5 months full security support > Notes: Timeline varies by version; Google Pixel devices typically > received 3–5 years depending on model I'm glad you finally admit that Android does get full support "forever" and than project mainline is only sticking plaster. Android is full support is finite. > Specifically for the current releases, as of today... > > Full-Support Timelines for All Known Vulnerabilities > > Microsoft Windows > Windows 10 > Release date: 29 July 2015 > End of support: 14 October 2025 > Duration: ~10 years full security support > Notes: After Oct 2025, Extended Security Updates (ESU) available > for up to 3 more years (paid) > > Google Pixel > Pixel 8 series > Release date: 4 October 2023 > End of support: October 2030 > Duration: 7 years full support (Android OS and security updates) > Notes: Covers all Android upgrades, Pixel feature drops, > and security patches for the full period > > Samsung Galaxy > Galaxy S24 series > Release date: 17 January 2024 > End of support: January 2031 > Duration: 7 years full support (Android OS and security updates) > Notes: Matches Google 7 year commitment for both OS and security updates > > Apple iPhone > iPhone 15 series > Release date: 22 September 2023 > Guaranteed full support: Until September 2028 > Duration: Minimum 5 years full security support > Notes: Apple only guarantees 5 years; historically some devices get more, > but it is at Apple random discretion and not a firm commitment More relevant example is: iPhone 11 series Release date: 19 September 2019 Guaranteed full support: at least until September 2026 Duration: 7 years or more > > I understand both iOS & Android support better'n any of you Apple trolls. Why do you keep demonstrating the opposite, then? > > Recent Android "Exception" Security Patches for unsupported versions are > > 1. 2025-09-05 Android 12 / 12L > Patched two actively exploited zero-days: > CVE-2025-38352 (Kernel privilege escalation) > CVE-2025-48543 (Android Runtime sandbox escape) > Security support for Android 12 ended Mar 2025, but fix was backported > via OEM updates and Google Play system modules > > 2. 2024-08-05 Android 11 > Patched critical libwebp vulnerability (CVE-2023-4863) > Remote code execution via malicious images > Even as Android 11 support ended Feb 2024 > > 3. 2023-09-05 Android 10 > Patched actively exploited kernel vulnerability (CVE-2023-35674) > Allowed privilege escalation from apps to system > Android 10 support ended Mar 2023, but fix issued for select devices Further evidence that your previous claim that all Android from 10 onwards is fully supported "forever" was simply a lie. If the above are "exceptional" then it's clear support is limited. Thus anyone stuck on any unsupported Android (i.e. 12 and older) are up a creek.
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| From | Marion <marionf@fact.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-20 06:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ali4u$1ana$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #150621 |
Chris wrote:
> I'm glad you finally admit that Android does get full support "forever" and
> than project mainline is only sticking plaster. Android is full support is
> finite.
Chris,
What I said was Project Mainline is forever for all Android 10+ phones.
And I said Project Mainline is a well-defined set of core Android modules.
Do you seriously think I claimed Project Mainline was the entire release?
Actually, you just said that you think I said that.
So you do think that I said that. But you had to have made that up.
This is exactly what's so strangely wrong with you odd Apple trolls.
You can't understand anything (that Apple didn't tell you to believe).
I never said Project Mainline was "full support", Chris.
The fact you "think" I said that is how I know you're an Apple troll.
You Apple trolls can't understand a single thing that Apple never told you.
Even simple things. Like Project Mainline. You misunderstand everything.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these monthly updates fix bugs
discovered in various core OS components like device connectivity,
location services, media services, Emergency alerts, and others."
It's so seamless, most Android users don't even know it is updating.
Windows is almost as well updated, but users generally know what it did.
With iOS, you sure as hell will know every moment that it's updating!
Which is one reason most iPhone owners skip lots of the updates, Chris.
Don't you think there's a reason iOS is 1-1/2 times more exploited Chris?
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
>> Apple iPhone
>> iPhone 15 series
>> Release date: 22 September 2023
>> Guaranteed full support: Until September 2028
>> Duration: Minimum 5 years full security support
>> Notes: Apple only guarantees 5 years; historically some devices get more,
>> but it is at Apple random discretion and not a firm commitment
>
> More relevant example is:
>
> iPhone 11 series
> Release date: 19 September 2019
> Guaranteed full support: at least until September 2026
> Duration: 7 years or more
Your iPhone 11 info is mostly true.
Release date: 20 September 2019
Shipped with iOS 13, and as of September 2025 it runs iOS 26.
That's 7 major iOS versions already but they're not the same thing
as, oh, say, a Windows major OS version (or even an Android OS version).
Based on Apple's track record, the iPhone 11 is likely nearing the end
of its major update cycle. It may or may not get iOS 27 in 2026.
Note: Apple has never guaranteed any number of years for the iPhone 11.
The EU & UK forced Apple to state the number of years only recently.
And that's five (while Google/Samsung are seven for the flagships).
>> I understand both iOS & Android support better'n any of you Apple trolls.
>
> Why do you keep demonstrating the opposite, then?
It's a trait of the Apple trolls that they've been told they're stupid
their entire lives, mainly because they can't comprehend simple facts.
A normal person would never say something that obviously stupid, Chris.
Show me once, for example, where I've stated something incorrect when its
me who taught you Apple trolls that Apple only fully supports 1 release.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
Note that the whole difference between normal people and you wholly
unprepossessing Apple trolls is that Apple trolls have such a low IQ that
everything you claim proves you're incredibly unfathomably stupid people.
The only thing you Apple trolls believe is what Apple marketing feeds you.
I understand how Apple, Google/Samsung & Microsoft release their OS.
You Apple trolls have demonstrated that you do not.
You're completely unaware, for example, that Apple only fully supports one
release and one release only - and Apple has never supported more than 1.
*About software updates for Apple devices*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
"not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions"
>> 3. 2023-09-05 Android 10
>> Patched actively exploited kernel vulnerability (CVE-2023-35674)
>> Allowed privilege escalation from apps to system
>> Android 10 support ended Mar 2023, but fix issued for select devices
>
> Further evidence that your previous claim that all Android from 10 onwards
> is fully supported "forever" was simply a lie. If the above are
> "exceptional" then it's clear support is limited. Thus anyone stuck on any
> unsupported Android (i.e. 12 and older) are up a creek.
Chris,
What I said was Project Mainline is forever for all Android 10+ phones.
And I said Project Mainline is a well-defined set of core Android modules.
Do you seriously think I claimed Project Mainline was the entire release?
Actually, you just said that you think I said that.
So you do think that I said that. But you had to have made that up.
This is exactly what's so strangely wrong with you odd Apple trolls.
You can't understand anything (that Apple didn't tell you to believe).
I never said Project Mainline was "full support", Chris.
The fact you "think" I said that is how I know you're an Apple troll.
You Apple trolls can't understand a single thing that Apple never told you.
Even simple things. Like Project Mainline. You misunderstand everything.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these monthly updates fix bugs
discovered in various core OS components like device connectivity,
location services, media services, Emergency alerts, and others."
It's so seamless, most Android users don't even know it is updating.
Don't you think there's a reason iOS is 1-1/2 times more exploited Chris?
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-20 22:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10anaa6$1dace$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #150625 |
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote: > Chris wrote: >> I'm glad you finally admit that Android does get full support "forever" and >> than project mainline is only sticking plaster. Android is full support is >> finite. > > Chris, > What I said was Project Mainline is forever for all Android 10+ phones. > And I said Project Mainline is a well-defined set of core Android modules. You always make the comparison to the lack of full support (your words) in iOS and the dependence on random updates. Project mainline is effectively no better. Doesn't matter whether it's forever or not. > Do you seriously think I claimed Project Mainline was the entire release? Not since I explained in detail the difference to you last week. I can tell when you learn something despite your dogma. First, you ignore and snip what was stated. Then a few days later you change your assertions without acknowledging it. This is the first time you've ever made the distinction between full releases (and therefore full support) and project mainline. You're welcome. > With iOS, you sure as hell will know every moment that it's updating! > Which is one reason most iPhone owners skip lots of the updates, Chris. lol. Yet another lie. You can't help yourself can't you? This demonstrates that within two months the most recent version becomes the dominant version. https://gs.statcounter.com/ios-version-market-share/mobile-tablet/worldwide Whereas for Android it takes 8-9 months. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/android/mobile-tablet/worldwide > Don't you think there's a reason iOS is 1-1/2 times more exploited Chris? > <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> As explained to you many, many times you cannot make absolute statements based on that data alone. It's also notable you snipped my response highlighting your inability to count. >>> Apple iPhone >>> iPhone 15 series >>> Release date: 22 September 2023 >>> Guaranteed full support: Until September 2028 >>> Duration: Minimum 5 years full security support >>> Notes: Apple only guarantees 5 years; historically some devices get more, >>> but it is at Apple random discretion and not a firm commitment >> >> More relevant example is: >> >> iPhone 11 series >> Release date: 19 September 2019 >> Guaranteed full support: at least until September 2026 >> Duration: 7 years or more > > Your iPhone 11 info is mostly true. > Release date: 20 September 2019 > Shipped with iOS 13, and as of September 2025 it runs iOS 26. > That's 7 major iOS versions already but they're not the same thing > as, oh, say, a Windows major OS version (or even an Android OS version). > Based on Apple's track record, the iPhone 11 is likely nearing the end > of its major update cycle. It may or may not get iOS 27 in 2026. > Note: Apple has never guaranteed any number of years for the iPhone 11. Prior to last year nor did any android manufacturer meaning that most users had to junk their phones after 2-3 years. Even for the flagship iphone clones costing hundreds. *That's* why google instigated project mainline; to provide life support to dying phones and stem the drift to Apple. Even without a written guarantee at the time Apple users knew they would get at least five years support. > The EU & UK forced Apple to state the number of years only recently. > And that's five (while Google/Samsung are seven for the flagships). > >>> I understand both iOS & Android support better'n any of you Apple trolls. >> >> Why do you keep demonstrating the opposite, then? > > It's a trait of the Apple trolls that they've been told they're stupid > their entire lives, mainly because they can't comprehend simple facts. > > A normal person would never say something that obviously stupid, Chris. > > Show me once, for example, where I've stated something incorrect Why do you keep doing this? It's like shooting fish in the barrel. Your claim of "monolithic" iOS updates is false. Your persistent use of CISA as evidence for your claims is at best weak and, given you've been told, more likely ignorant. > Note that the whole difference between normal people and you wholly > unprepossessing Apple trolls is that Apple trolls have such a low IQ that > everything you claim proves you're incredibly unfathomably stupid people. Your personal attacks are pathetic.
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| From | Marion <marionf@fact.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-21 15:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ap67a$phe$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #150637 |
Chris wrote: >> What I said was Project Mainline is forever for all Android 10+ phones. >> And I said Project Mainline is a well-defined set of core Android modules. > > You always make the comparison to the lack of full support (your words) in > iOS and the dependence on random updates. Project mainline is effectively > no better. Doesn't matter whether it's forever or not. Chris, Will you stop your whining please. I get it that you *hate Apple* for having lied to you about having the worst hotfix support in the industry. Notice my assessments are based on documented facts (with cites). I'm simply stating facts where those facts are that the *full* promised support for iOS is 2 years *less* than that of Google/Samsung flagships. *Apple finally confirms how long it will fully support iPhones* *and it's 2 years less than Samsung and Google flagship support* <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/> And, I'm stating facts when I tell you that even Apple says they've never in their history ever fully supported more than a single release at a time. <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/> >> Do you seriously think I claimed Project Mainline was the entire release? > > Not since I explained in detail the difference to you last week. I can tell > when you learn something despite your dogma. First, you ignore and snip > what was stated. Then a few days later you change your assertions without > acknowledging it. > > This is the first time you've ever made the distinction between full > releases (and therefore full support) and project mainline. You're welcome. Stop this bullshit Chris. I get it you hate Apple's hotfix support being the worst in the industry, but don't say I said Mainline was everything where I've had threads on the Android ng for years about what Mainline is. There's a reason iOS has 1-1/2 times the known exploits than Android. <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> >> With iOS, you sure as hell will know every moment that it's updating! >> Which is one reason most iPhone owners skip lots of the updates, Chris. > > lol. Yet another lie. You can't help yourself can't you? > > This demonstrates that within two months the most recent version becomes > the dominant version. > https://gs.statcounter.com/ios-version-market-share/mobile-tablet/worldwide > > Whereas for Android it takes 8-9 months. > https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/android/mobile-tablet/worldwide You Apple trolls don't have a clue how iOS worked before RSR's Chris. <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224> Every update was different for each device but there was only one monolithic operating system which had to be built to do that. <https://support.apple.com/en-ph/guide/security/sec87fc038c2/web> The first Rapid Security Response updates for iOS 16.4.1, iPadOS 16.4.1 & macOS 13.3.1 (Ventura) started rolling out on May 1, 2023. <https://duo.com/decipher/apple-releases-fix-for-actively-exploited-webkit-bug> Think about that when you learn that Apple has the *worst* hotfix support in the industry when Apple is the only common OS vendor who only very recently even had the concept of how to patch a release instead of replacing the entire release on the users' device. It's palpable that you hate Apple's support easily being shown to be the worst in the industry, when compared to the likes of Microsoft & Android. Notice my assessments are based on documented facts (with cites).
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-22 05:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10aqmgf$25nrp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #150645 |
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote: > > Notice my assessments are based on documented facts (with cites). Lol. You wouldn't know a fact even if it kicked you in the nuts.
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| From | Marion <marionf@fact.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-22 15:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10arro3$1u2s$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #150653 |
Chris wrote:
>> Notice my assessments are based on documented facts (with cites).
>
> Lol. You wouldn't know a fact even if it kicked you in the nuts.
And yet, I provided cites for every single fact I had stated, Chris.
That's what normal people do.
You Apple trolls are religious zealots who *hate* those facts.
So you Apple trolls outright deny them. Because you hate them.
That's what Apple trolls do.
(see cites in sig)
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<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
<https://blog.google/threat-analysis-group/state-backed-attackers-and-commercial-surveillance-vendors-repeatedly-use-the-same-exploits/>
<https://duo.com/decipher/apple-releases-fix-for-actively-exploited-webkit-bug>
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-many-possibilities-of-cve-2019-8646.html>
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2020/09/jitsploitation-three.html>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/en-ph/guide/security/sec87fc038c2/web>
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
<https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/google-project-zero-bugs-used-to-hack-iphones-and-android-phones/>
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-22 21:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10asfp9$2kqmc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #150659 |
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote: > Chris wrote: >>> Notice my assessments are based on documented facts (with cites). >> >> Lol. You wouldn't know a fact even if it kicked you in the nuts. > > And yet, I provided cites for every single fact I had stated, Chris. Your cites are usually opinion pieces or don't actually support your assertions or both. For example, your CISA "cite" doesn't match your claim.
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| From | Marion <marionf@fact.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-23 00:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10asofj$30sh$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #150661 |
Chris wrote: >> And yet, I provided cites for every single fact I had stated, Chris. > > Your cites are usually opinion pieces or don't actually support your > assertions or both. > > For example, your CISA "cite" doesn't match your claim. Heh heh heh... for decades, you Apple trolls have been spouting their religious dogma, sans any facts to back their belief system up, Chris. The fact you call all these facts wrong is what you MAGA Apple trolls do. <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/> <https://blog.google/threat-analysis-group/state-backed-attackers-and-commercial-surveillance-vendors-repeatedly-use-the-same-exploits/> <https://duo.com/decipher/apple-releases-fix-for-actively-exploited-webkit-bug> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-many-possibilities-of-cve-2019-8646.html> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2020/09/jitsploitation-three.html> <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases> <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/> <https://support.apple.com/en-ph/guide/security/sec87fc038c2/web> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224> <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/> <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates> <https://www.vice.com/en/article/google-project-zero-bugs-used-to-hack-iphones-and-android-phones/>
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-23 22:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10av785$39vta$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #150663 |
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote: > Chris wrote: >>> And yet, I provided cites for every single fact I had stated, Chris. >> >> Your cites are usually opinion pieces or don't actually support your >> assertions or both. >> >> For example, your CISA "cite" doesn't match your claim. > > > The fact you call all these facts wrong is what you MAGA Apple trolls do. <then fails to post any facts> > <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/> > <https://blog.google/threat-analysis-group/state-backed-attackers-and-commercial-surveillance-vendors-repeatedly-use-the-same-exploits/> > <https://duo.com/decipher/apple-releases-fix-for-actively-exploited-webkit-bug> > <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html> > <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-many-possibilities-of-cve-2019-8646.html> > <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2020/09/jitsploitation-three.html> > <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases> > <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/> > <https://support.apple.com/en-ph/guide/security/sec87fc038c2/web> > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224> > <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/> > <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> > <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/> > <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates> > <https://www.vice.com/en/article/google-project-zero-bugs-used-to-hack-iphones-and-android-phones/> If you think urls are facts, then this is a root cause of your failure to understand problem.
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| From | Marion <marionf@fact.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 02:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10avkfn$2i3q$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #150681 |
Chris wrote: >>> For example, your CISA "cite" doesn't match your claim. >> >> >> The fact you call all these facts wrong is what you MAGA Apple trolls do. > > <then fails to post any facts> > >> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/> >> <https://blog.google/threat-analysis-group/state-backed-attackers-and-commercial-surveillance-vendors-repeatedly-use-the-same-exploits/> >> <https://duo.com/decipher/apple-releases-fix-for-actively-exploited-webkit-bug> >> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html> >> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-many-possibilities-of-cve-2019-8646.html> >> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2020/09/jitsploitation-three.html> >> <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases> >> <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/> >> <https://support.apple.com/en-ph/guide/security/sec87fc038c2/web> >> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224> >> <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/> >> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> >> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/> >> <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates> >> <https://www.vice.com/en/article/google-project-zero-bugs-used-to-hack-iphones-and-android-phones/> > > If you think urls are facts, then this is a root cause of your failure to > understand problem. WTF? Jesus Christ, Chris. Seriously. OMG. You claim those facts reported in those cites are all not facts? What kind of strange person does such a thing? No adult would do that, Chris. Not one. Just you Apple trolls do that. What is wrong with you Apple trolls? No sensible adult would say what you just said. Just you Apple trolls do that. What's so wrong with you Apple trolls that you can't comprehend facts?
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