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Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone

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Carlos E.R. wrote on Tue, 26 Nov 2024 13:33:33 +0100 :

>> Only people who live in slums need to lock their computers every second.
>> That's because they don't trust anyone who lives in their own home.
> 
> Your usual rhetoric. Again, we are not afraid of the people that live 
> with us, but of those that don't.

You're supposed to understand the analogy, which is that (admittedly
brilliant, most of it by Apple) MARKETING has made unthinking people
"think" that their computer "safety" is in constant biometrics.

Remember, with Apple devices you're *always* logged into the Cupertino
Mainframes, so it's Apple who wants you to secure your phone.

Given there is no phone less secure than an iPhone, it's Apple who needs
that security - not you. Apple tricks naive people into thinking that
biometrics are where security is at - when that's just their gimmick.

Now I know you're not on Apple devices but these biometric gimmicks extend
to Android and even to Windows but it's MARKETING who tells you this.

Anyway, this thread isn't about biometric gimmicks making ignorant people
"feel" safe since they feel their face or fingerprint will save them.

Just understand when I say people in the slums use biometrics, I'm using
words to get a point across that you're supposed to get the main gist.

My point is MARKETING teaches people all their computer skills - which
means that they don't have any common sense - they don't think about it.

Biometrics is not where security is at. Biometrics are for fools.

> And then, keeping privacy can be absolute. NO ONE, including those in 
> our houses, need to pry what we do.

In my house, I'm not afraid of my wife, kids, or grandkids so I don't need
to lock my computer. I also keep my personal data (such as medical data)
under wraps and I don't keep my browsers logged into anything. 

Given that, if someone accesses my computer- it's like them accessing a
local public library computer. The worst they can do is delete stuff.

This is my main point about Apple needing the privacy - not you. With Apple
products, the device is just a dumb terminal so, sure, it needs to be
locked. But if you set up Android and/or Windows intelligently, if someone
sits at it, nothing of import is available to them by intelligent design.

> And then, you forget that one may live alone, and yet follow recommended 
> security and privacy practices. We consider silly not to use login/pass 
> even at home. Security in computing is multilayered, any expert will 
> tell you that. You don't rely solely on the house key.

The house key is a good point in that anyone who knows anything knows that
locking the door isn't "security" as all it does is keep your friends out.

Same with biometric gimmicks.

>> Thanks. I never heard of CGNAT before but my IP address is not a private
>> address so I guess I'm normal - although I'm on a WISP but it's the same.
> 
> It would be rare in the USA for an ISP to use CGNAT, because the USA 
> reserved a huge pool of IPv4 addresses. A small cheap provider might use 
> it, though. On countries where the pool is scarce (and instead of using 
> IPv6) they would have to use CGNAT.

Thanks for the information about Carrier-Grade NAT as I had never heard of
it before someone mentioned it and I looked it up to see what it was.

My IP address comes over the air from a few miles away and is static.


>> Which TeamViewer is that?
>> 
>> https://www.teamviewer.com/en-us/download/windows/
>> 
>> 1. TeamViewer QuickSupport (If you want to receive support:)
>> 2. TeamViewer full client (If you want to provide support)
>> 3. TeamViewer Host (If you want to set up unattended access to a device)
>> 4. TeamViewer MSI Package (If you want to mass deploy TeamViewer)
>> 5. TeamViewer Meeting (If you want to join or start a meeting)
>> 
>> Which of those allows a mobile device to see my screen and operate the
>> mouse and keyboard so that they can do stuff with an account on my PC?
> 
> It has been some time since I looked. The problem is finding out what 
> they call client and what server.

Yup. It's confusing. I think, in the scheme of the way Teamviewer is
looking at it, I am the one being supported and the iPhone is who is
supporting me - even as that's counterintuitive to what's happening.

> You want to be "supported", ie, you want your computer to be used by 
> someone (so 1). The person in the phone connects to you and manipulates 
> your computer, ie, gives support (so 2).

Yup. It's counterintuitive. But I think I'm the one being supported, so
that means, I think, she needs the TeamViewer full client while I need the
Te3amViewer QuickSupport.

The problem with that is that means she has to create the TeamViewer
account, which is asking too much of her, I fear.


However, it's confusing as "maybe" I can create the login with the
Teamviewer Full Client, where I may to be able to still share my screen.

That's what I installed but TeamViewer won't let me create an account using
protonmail or gmx mail (throwaway mail addresses).

Even protonmail won't let TeamViewer authenticate since it told me this:

Dear User, REDACTED@protonmail.com
Thank you for your interest in our service.
Our system has flagged third-party service registration emails shortly
after your account creation, which goes against the intended use of our
service and may indicate disposable account usage.
We've implemented these measures to enhance the overall reputation of
Proton Mail. This helps protect our domain and prevents the risk of our IP
being banned by third-party services, which could affect service
availability for all users.
Currently, your account has some limitations, restricting its use for
registering on third-party services.
To remove these limitations, you will need to add a verified recovery email
address or phone number, or consider upgrading your account.
Learn more about how to verify your account recovery methods here:
https://proton.me/support/set-account-recovery-methods.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Best regards,
The Proton Anti-Abuse Team

The lesson there is to create the protonmail account well before you need
to use it to validate another account such as TeamViewer as now that
protonmail account is no good for anything even as it exists.
 
> I would also suggest googling "alternatives to teamviewer". Teamviewer 
> is the best known, but there are others. I can not recommend any of them 
> from personal experience, though.

Yeah, if TeamViewer fails, I will go down the next route as I rarely fail.
Thanks for your astute advice as I know nothing about this sharing stuff.

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Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-24 23:29 +0000
  Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-11-25 08:37 +0000
    Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-25 12:49 +0100
    Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-25 23:31 +0000
      Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-26 02:39 +0100
        Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-26 01:53 +0000
          Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-26 13:33 +0100
            Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-26 14:26 +0000
              Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-11-26 12:56 -0600
        Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-11-26 19:41 -0500
    Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-11-25 18:19 -0600
      Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-26 01:42 +0000
      Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-26 02:41 +0100
        Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-11-25 21:05 -0600
          Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-26 13:11 +0100
            Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-11-26 13:01 -0600

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