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Re: OT: spam phone calls

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On 2025-03-20 15:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-03-20 13:10, Graham J wrote:
>> I know you're all very knowledgeable here, so:
> 
> There are groups more appropriate to phone trouble, like 
> comp.mobile.android or uk.telecom.mobile. I have added them both to this 
> post, so they will see your post below.
> 
>>
>> Received a call on my mobile, from a lady in Scotland who says I rang 
>> her landline earlier this morning.  I did not, and my mobile phone has 
>> been sitting on the windowsill (being the only place it can get a 
>> signal) all morning, with nobody near it.
>>
>> The lady used 1471 to find out who had rung her number, and used it's 
>> recall facility to ring me; so she didn't make any transcription error 
>> in dialling my number.
>>
>> I'm aware that spammers spoof mobile numbers but had always assumed 
>> that they chose unallocated numbers.  That is now apparently no longer 
>> true - unless all you here can think of another way that the 1471 
>> service can see an erroneous number.
> 
> I thought Britain had some new regulation about faking the A number in a 
> call.
> 
> I never return phone calls from unknown numbers. Only when I know the 
> number is from some friend or family I return the call, but I prefer to 
> let them try again, maybe they got interrupted.

Spain has announced a new regulation this summer (it still has to be 
processed in Parliament). Commercial entities issuing phone calls will 
prepend a number to their phone number, identifying the company. There 
will be a registry of such prefixes. Telcos will block phone calls 
without the prefix.


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What is the Ministry going to do to put an end to calls from companies 
to sell us supposed offers?

We have done our homework and we are going to introduce a regulatory 
change through two amendments to the Customer Services Act to block 
so-called spam calls. We will do this in three ways:

    * Companies will be obliged to identify all numbers from which they 
make business telephone calls with a specific numerical code (a 
telephone prefix). They will also have to identify customer service 
calls with a different code. On the basis of these codes, 
telecommunications operators will be obliged to block all calls from 
companies that do not use these codes.

    * To declare null and void contracts that are concluded in 
non-consensual telephone calls. In this way, companies will be 
discouraged from making unwanted calls, since the contracts obtained in 
this type of communication will be null and void.

    * All companies will be obliged to renew their consent to receive 
commercial calls with the user every two years, thus ensuring that 
companies do not rely on indefinite or ambiguous authorisations to 
continue contacting consumers.


How will the code numbers work?

There is a register of number codes so that when that prefix calls us, 
it will come up and we will know that it is commercial, it will be 
traceable. If there is a call without a code, companies will have to 
block it immediately.


And how is consent renewed every two years?

We will have to renew our consent every two years. It will also happen 
with the automatic renewal of subscriptions. We are going to introduce 
that 15 days before the renewal takes place, companies will have to send 
an obligatory email to give notice. It is a question of ensuring what we 
contract and how much we spend.

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But I don't understand how Telcos will detect that a phone call without 
prefix is commercial. We still have the problem of faked numbers.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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Re: OT: spam phone calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-20 15:00 +0100
  Re: OT: spam phone calls Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-03-20 15:21 +0000
    Re: OT: spam phone calls D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2025-03-20 16:27 +0000
    Re: OT: spam phone calls Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-03-20 18:53 +0100
      Re: OT: spam phone calls Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-03-20 18:39 +0000
    Re: OT: spam phone calls Jason H <jason_hindle@yehoo.com> - 2025-05-07 15:20 +0100
      Re: OT: spam phone calls David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2025-05-07 20:39 +0100
        Re: OT: spam phone calls Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-13 22:48 +1000
      Re: OT: spam phone calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 22:34 +0200
  Re: OT: spam phone calls David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2025-03-20 15:50 +0000
    Re: OT: spam phone calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-20 22:32 +0100
  Re: OT: spam phone calls Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-03-21 12:18 +0000
  Re: OT: spam phone calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-09 12:50 +0200
  Re: OT: spam phone calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-13 15:09 +0200
    Re: OT: spam phone calls Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-05-13 16:08 +0200
      Re: OT: spam phone calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-13 20:37 +0200
        Re: OT: spam phone calls Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-05-13 21:27 +0200
    Re: OT: spam phone calls Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-15 20:59 +1000
      Re: OT: spam phone calls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-15 13:40 +0200
        Re: OT: spam phone calls JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2025-05-15 17:05 +0100

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