Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?

From	Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Newsgroups	misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android
Subject	Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?
Date	2016-07-18 18:20 +0000
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:33:59 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

>> I never hide who I am.
> 
> You try to do it time after time.

Heh heh ... what I find funny is that people here accuse others of being
me, and often they miss when I am me.

Usually they only realize who I am when I give them complete details, such
as when I tell them I never pay a penny for software or that I use Linux
and that I know iTunes for what it is, etc.

But at the same time they accuse everyone else of being me, which is funny. 

They even accused Marek of being me - just because he got frustrated with
their idiocy. And I think crankypuss got accused of being me too, for the
same reason that he had trouble understanding why they lie so much.

It frustrates normal people why they lie so blatantly; and it used to
frustrate me - but I'm content now that I realize they they're *protecting*
their fragile image.

a. They bought into a carefully crafted Apple Marketing strategy
b. They bought into the carefully crafted walled garden of safety

So anything *outside* the carefully crafted Apple Marketing strategy is a
very real and direct threat to them. 

That's why they lie so much.
It's merely their protection mechanism.

>> I tell details nobody would tell if they were.
> 
> Not that we were interested in the first place...

Fair enough.

>> I use the same style. 
> So much is true, indeed.

Yup. The nym change is a privacy measure to avoid being snared in robo
nets, which is why I also change servers and proxies and Usenet clients and
headers purely at random.

But I don't try to hide who I am from the regulars.

In fact, you could probably, by now, triangulate me to within a mile of my
house.

Anyway, another way to tell is that I don't troll. 
I ask the question; I respond to the queries; and then I disappear.

>> And within any thread, I am only one nym.
> 
> Wrong, we already caught you on that. In other words: You're lying.

Nope. Once in a while I make a mistake, but within any one thread, I'm only
one nym. Sometimes I change machines, where the nyms are entirely separate
(since they're all totally random), so I use those nyms. 

For example, if I feel the need to respond from Android, it has totally
different nyms and servers and proxies than does the Windows machine or the
Linux machines or even the iPads. They're all random. Even "I" don't know
what they are since I set the group to be a specific nym by default
(sometimes I forget to set the group preferences though).

>> In addition, I never troll. 
> You do it all the time.

You call being responsive, "trolling".
You call a high post count, "trolling".

If I wanted to troll, it would be so easy since I understand the nature of
the users of this group. I don't wish to troll.

I simply wish to find out information about the product.

>> It's clear that I back up what I say.
> 
> No, you don't. And if you do you usually come up with some 'facts' that 
> are (usually rather easily) debunked as misinterpreted, irrelevant, 
> outright false, ... But we are lying, sure.

You know, I probably have posted nearly a thousand photos and screenshots
to this newsgroup by way of proof of what I'm doing. 

I probably posted over a score to this one thread alone.
Given I'm on Usenet a lot, I've probably posted more proof in a month than
you have done in your entire life.

How many screenshots of proof have you posted to this thread, for example?

>> It's clear that I'm open minded,
> 
> You're everything but open minded, certainly not about iOS. But I assume 
> that you can't really understand the difference between your point of 
> view and that of a open minded person, taking your Asperger diagnosis 
> into account. If that's not made up as well...

Here's where you're wrong - but you're entitled to your opinion.

Remember:
a. I didn't buy iOS to be part of the "safe" herd orchestrated by Apple
b. I didn't buy iOS to feel the cachet of the brand orchestrated by Apple

Heck. I didn't even *buy* iOS. I got all mine for free.
So the truth is not a threat to me as it is to the Apple Apologists.

> See? If people dare to have a different point of view than you, and 
> possibly even dare to argue for that point of view, not willing to 
> accept your superior view (a clear sign of Asperger for me), then you 
> can only resort to calling them liars.

I do admit I don't have the same social skills you have for dealing with
duplicity. When nospam says "bullshit", it usually means he is trying to
protect his "image", so he feels that if he keeps saying "bullshit", then
the user will give up pressing the issue.

In nospam's fear-filled mind, he "saves face" because the fact said by the
first person was refuted by him (with the single word "bullshit" - no proof
is ever supplied because he has no proof).

But nospam has *many* ways to save face.

For example, he said that Android users can't turn off privileges one by
one for any app, which he was shown wrong (I've been doing it with App Ops
Starter for years!), so when I showed him a picture of that as proof, he
weaseled by saying that the ability that I have (in Android 4.3) is only
introduced later (I think he said Android 5 or 6 but it doesn't matter).

Another way nospam weasled on his lack of proof was when he said a "folder"
on an iOS device named "App Drawer" is *more functional* than the app
drawer apps that are on Android. What? How can he prove that one?

You know how? He weaseled again, and said that the "default" app drawer
that "he is familiar with" doesn't do that. Well, um, OK. 

But there are something like a score or more of app drawer apps, not only
one for each launcher (the default for that launcher) but you can have a
dozen app drawer apps installed if you want to (I have about 8 and I proved
it).

Once again, nospam weaseled claiming there is only 1 app drawer app on
Android, and then claiming that a mere "folder" on iOS is *more functional*
than that one (imaginary?) king of all app drawer apps.

Why can't nospam just agree that iOS lacks the app drawer capabilities?
a. Because he bought into an image formed by Apple Marketing
b. And to tell the truth makes him feel less "safe" about his choices

So, he says "bullshit" to everything that threatens:
a. His self esteem on why he bought the product (orchestrated by Apple)
b. His safety in numbers by being of the herd (inside the walled garden)

> You tell *your* truth. Unfortunately (for you) that's by no means the 
> truth for other people as well.

I'm only here to ask technical questions.
I am one of the most well balanced technical people here.

That's because I don't have to protect an *image* crafted by Apple
Marketing and because I'm not so scared of being outside the herd that
Apple Marketing wants me to be so scared of.

> Why do you care? Even if it was true, you wouldn't be able to understand 
> the answer. But luckily, it isn't true in the first place. :-)

Michael,
The reason I cared, and that Marek cared and that crankypuss cared, and
that Poutnik cared, etc., is that it's befuddling why people like nospam
and Jolly Roger lie so blatantly so often. Something like half their posts
on technical questions are lies. The other half, at least for nospam, are
actually technically acute. Even Jolly Roger sometimes knows something
technical.

The rest don't matter. Michelle, while being a nice lady, doesn't know all
that much, and neither does Patty. Both Jamie's aren't worth the text they
type, and Lewis' posts are so useless to only be funny, for the most part.

Rod Speed often has a good point of view - and he takes probably the most
open-minded view of things - but he gets into this having-the-last-word
contest with nospam that just wastes space.

David Empson is almost always accurate, where he provides proof and
explains things nobody else can. And Sobriquet is also well balanced, but
he doesn't know as much as David Empson.

Me? I'm well balanced. I am *outside* the herd. I prove what I say.
I don't know much about iOS so I make mistakes - but if you show me
something that iOS does that I need to do, I try it and let you know how it
worked out.

Most of the time when you show something, it works out to some degree
(e.g., the manual crippleware call recorder). In that case, I *removed*
automatic call recording from the list - but I could have argued the point
but that wasn't my goal.

Likewise with sideline (It was a mistake on my part, mostly because I
didn't test it on an iPhone but on an iPad).

Still, we're left with not 20, but 16 things that answer the question
someone baited when they said the only thing Android can do that iOS can't
is hammer nails. 

Interestingly, when the opposite question was asked, nospam said "security"
is one thing iOS can do that Android cant (and, while I explained that is
not totally true - again - I gave him a pass and didn't belabor the lack of
Orbot/Orfox anonymous VPN).

The fact that nospam extremely highly values security fits in with *why* he
bought iOS devices:
a. He bought on cachet (orchestrated by Apple Marketing)
b. He bought on being one with the herd (orchestrated by Apple Marketing)

So, basically, anything technical that goes against Apple Marketing
orchestration, nospam calls "bullshit".

Thread

Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 23:20 +0000
  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 19:22 -0400
    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 01:50 +0000
      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 21:51 -0400
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 02:00 +0000
          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 22:09 -0400
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  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 23:23 +0000
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      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 01:51 +0000
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2016-07-14 21:20 -0500
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        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2016-07-14 21:31 -0500
          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 01:29 -0400
            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 18:43 +0000
          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-15 16:36 +0000
            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 18:43 +0000
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-18 14:33 +0200
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:20 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:21 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-18 20:37 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 22:57 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-18 23:06 +0000
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      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 01:29 -0400
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-15 10:03 -0400
          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 10:38 -0400
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              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 12:41 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-15 17:07 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:32 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:12 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 15:16 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:36 +0000
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          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-07-15 11:26 -0400
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          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 18:43 +0000
            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 15:16 -0400
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:37 +0000
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 20:04 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Meanie <meanie.brat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 16:39 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 03:47 +0000
            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-18 14:45 +0200
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 18:19 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-18 18:57 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 22:33 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-18 22:53 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-19 09:06 +0200
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 07:37 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 23:00 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 23:20 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 19:29 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 00:17 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 01:25 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:45 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 02:03 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 04:11 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 09:54 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 17:05 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 21:26 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:43 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:45 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 02:07 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 04:13 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 05:22 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 09:54 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-19 16:31 -0700
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 19:37 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:45 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 02:09 +0000
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-20 04:42 -0400
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 15:53 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 12:18 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 17:12 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 13:21 -0400
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 04:03 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 23:23 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 01:44 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 02:02 +0000
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-20 09:11 +0200
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 05:00 +0000
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 01:50 -0400
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 10:55 -0400
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-19 08:45 -0700
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 13:20 -0400
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 18:58 +0000
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 19:17 +0000
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 18:44 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 04:44 +0000
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 18:51 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 19:17 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 19:19 +0000
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-22 11:35 -0400
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                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 23:00 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 06:18 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 03:41 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 05:17 +0000
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        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-14 22:09 -0400
  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-07-15 01:32 -0400
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      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-15 15:37 -0400
      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-07-15 13:17 -0700
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 03:58 +0000
  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-15 10:42 +0200
    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:34 +0000
    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 01:08 -0400
      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 03:12 +0000
  SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? (was: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?) Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 20:07 +0000
    Re: SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 04:29 +0000
    Re: SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-16 02:42 -0400
      Re: SOLVED: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 20:31 +0000

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