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Re: My comparison of the Motorola G4 - Nexus 6s - iPhone 6s

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:33:22 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> 1. Network = essentially the same - but Apple 6s has EVDO)
> 
> the networks are not essentially the same.

I realize you're talking about the G3, but when I looked, I agree with you 
that the G3 is not a fair comparison. A fairer comparison is the G4, and 
even then, the Nexus 6 is a more fair comparison to the iPhone 6s.

Just to be clear, the Motorola G4, Nexus 6, and iPhone 6s "seemed" to me to 
have the same network alphabet soup other than the iPhone 6s has "EVDO".

Is EVDO useful?

>> 2. Display = all different - Nexus 6 wins - but all are great
> it doesn't win. they're all comparable.

I was basing that on raw dimensions and pixel count, but I will easily 
agree with you that the displays seemed all to be perfectly fine so I won't 
quibble about which display is better or worse. So we agree the displays 
are compatible.

>> 3. CPU= all different - Nexus 6 wins - but all are great 
> it's more than just the processor, as the moto g4 review shows. 
> in real world use, the iphone wins.

I do agree that, since the operating system is different, it's hard to 
compare the CPUs between the brands - so - I won't quibble here either. I'd 
say the Nexus 6 and iPhone 6s processors are essentially compatible.
 
>> 4. Memory = essentially the same - Nexus 6 wins on internal RAM
> 
> android has a higher runtime overhead and *requires* more memory than
> ios.

Same thing with memory. I won't quibble here either because the operating 
systems are different. So, again, we can say they're just about compatible 
on built-in memory.

>> 5. Expansion = Motorola G4 wins on expansion - but it may not matter
> 
> it doesn't matter at all. 

I'm going to agree with you here also. So, from the standpoint of 
expansion, it doesn't matter that the Moto G4 is expandable while the other 
Nexus 6 and iPhone 6s are not. I agree with you. 

> the g4 stops at 32 gig, where the next iphone supposedly will start.

I didn't want to get into the 16GB/32GB stuff becuase it's only $30 to go 
from 16GB to 32GB on the Android phones here - while it's a whopping $100 
bucks in general to do the same on Apple. So, I just left out the amount of 
storage from the equation (other than to note the 16GB or 32GB in the 
prices).

> in other words, the moto g4 *needs* expansion because it's dead last in
> internal capacity and then you get into the mess that is android and
> microsd cards.

If I were comparing an Android phone to the iPhone 6s (which I am, by the 
way, for a gift in August), I wouldn't compare the Motorola G4 now that I 
know about the Nexus 6. I'd compare the Nexus 6 and the iPhone 6s.

>> 6. Camera = essentially the same - Apple loses slightly on pixels
> 
> the camera in the iphone is considered to be among the best, and it's
> more than just pixel count too.

I don't doubt the camera is better on the iPhone. 
So I agree with you on this - although I don't know how to tell on my own, 
I don't doubt it. So no need for me to research that further.

> see the above review for how bad the g4 camera is. 

I don't disagree.
 
>> 7. Video = iPhone 6s wins on formats, then Nexus 6, last Moto G4
>> 8. WLAN = essentially the same - Nexus 6 then iPhone 6s, last Moto G4
> 
> nexus/iphone/g4 all have 802.11ac, making them equivalent.

I agree. The WLAN features were exactly the same between the Motorola G4, 
Nexus 6, and iPhone 6s.

> however, the g3 is just 802.11n, which is what he was comparing, making
> it last.

I agree. 802.11 AC is the way to go nowadays, so, we agree that the 
Motorola G3, while a fine phone, is not in the same class as the three I 
chose to compare, which are the Motorola G4, Nexus 6, and iPhone 6s.

>> 9. Bluetooth = same (I'm surprised, because I thought iOS had no bluetooth
>> file transfer!)
> 
> it's not the same, although close.
> 
> iphone has bluetooth 4.2, nexus 6 and g4 have bluetooth 4.1 and the g3
> has bluetooth 4.0.
> 
> also, and what doesn't show up in the specs, is that android's support
> of bluetooth 4.x is not very good, which is why a lot of third party
> btle devices only support iphones and very few android phones.

I use an ancient Samsung Galaxy S3 and have no problem with bluetooth file 
transfer, and I also have no problem that I know of with bluetooth 
speakerphones in my car. 

So, I'm not sure how important the bluetooth versions are given that, in a 
phone, you need only two (or three) things from bluetooth:
1. It has to work with a bluetooth speaker
2. It is useful to have a second channel for simultaneous GPS navigation
3. For Android, it's nice to have file transfer capabilities

Do all three do those three things?
(Maybe the iPhone 6s doesn't do #3, right?)

>> 10. GPS = same - Moto G4 has "BDS" (whatever that is)
>> 11. NFC = Nexus 6 wins, Apple a close second, not in Moto G4
> 
> that one is true. nfc on android does do more.

For "me", NFC is a non issue - but the spec said that the NFC for Apple is 
"Apple pay only" while the NFC for the Nexus didn't say that.

>> 12. FM Radio = Only the moto G has an FM radio - but it's not critical
> 
> fm radio is useless because it requires headphones for an antenna and
> is restricted to nearby stations.

Thanks for explaining that the FM doesn't come with an antenna.
I agree with you that the fact that the Motorola G4 has a FM radio is a non 
issue.

>> 13. Fingerprint = Only the iPhone 6s has fingerprint sensor
> which can used both for unlocking and buying stuff. highly recommended.

This fingerprint thing is a major difference for anyone who really wants 
it, and it's a non issue for anyone who doesn't want it. We will leave that 
assessment up to personal choice. :)

>> 14. Accelerometer/Gyro = same for all 
>> 15. Proximity = The Nexus 6 & iPhone 6 have it - none on Moto G4
>> 16. Compass = The Nexus 6 and iPhone 6 have it - none on Moto G4
>> 17. Barometer = The Nexus 6 and iPhone 6 have it - none on Moto G4
>> 18. Talktime = best is Moto G4 then Nexus - iPhone 6s last
> 
> where did you get moto g4 talk time?

I wasn't sure *what* to use for testing battery life but the only number I 
had for all three phones tested by the same people was the "Endurance 
Rating"

At the bottom of the three reviews is a "Battery life Endurance rating".
1. Motorola G4 Battery life Endurance rating 73h
   http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g4-8103.php
2. Nexus 6 Battery life Endurance rating 70h
   http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_nexus_6-6604.php
3. iPhone 6s Battery life Endurance rating 62h
   http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_6s-7242.php

A bit further up from that is the "Talk Time".
1. Motorola G4 (not provided)
2. Nexus 6 
   Stand-by Up to 330 h
   Talk time Up to 24 h
3. iPhone 6s 
   Stand-by Up to 240 h (3G)
   Talk time Up to 14 h (3G)
   Music play Up to 50 h

Based on those numbers, the battery life and talk time are fine on all the 
phones. The Nexus 6 wins handily, but I think this longer battery life of 
the Nexus 6 isn't that big of a deal.

> iphone 6s+ is 24 hours talk time while the nexus is 20 hr, making the
> 6s+ the winner, not the loser.

I'm comparing specs of the iPhone 6s and not the iPhone 6s+ here.
(There's only so much one can compare in a single Usenet post.)
 
> you also can't compare the battery life of a nexus 6 with a much
> smaller iphone 6. the nexus 6 roughly the size of a iphone 6s+
> (slightly bigger).

I'm comparing what seems to be apples to apples "to me", which is the Nexus 
6 and the iPhone 6s.

I do agree that the entire ecosystem is different, so, nothing in my 
comparison is about the operating system.  

When you compare the raw specs of those two phones, the Nexus 6 wins on 
"most" (but not all) categories but the iPhone 6s wins on a couple.

Depending on how you weigh those differences, to "me", I could easily 
support a conclusion that the Nexus 6 and the iPhone 6s are "essentially" 
equivalent in terms of raw specs. 

That's "my" conclusion - but you may (and will) weigh the differences 
differently. 

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  Re: My comparison of the Motorola G4 - Nexus 6s - iPhone 6s nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 17:33 -0400
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