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Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone?

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On 2026-10-06 21:28, Maria Sophia wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Ok, so the package remains in the filesystem, it is not removed. To do
>> so needs being root. It is just marked as uninstalled or disabled for
>> user 0. Fine.
>>
>> Then, what is the advantage of this system over the GUI method of
>> disabling an app? The effects are the same, AFAIK.
>>
>> Is there a difference with updates? A system update can activate
>> disabled system apps. One has to remember to deactivate them once more.
>> Is this the same with adb?
> 
> Hi Carlos,
> 
> It's good that you're asking questions, as these questions I would ask too.
> 
> You are correct that using adb to (let's use loose terms) "get rid of" the
> effects of an app (which, in this case, is com.google.android.apps.bard) is
> not different, in effect, from simply doing the same thing in the GUI....
> 
>                   *if the GUI allows it*
> 
> To Carlos' point, adb shell allows bypassing GUI restrictions, where many
> system (bloatware) apps have the Disable/Uninstall" buttons grayed out.

Ah, good point.

> 
> Also we have to consider storage and cache reclaiming, which we can't
> always control for system apps using just the GUI, as adb allows granular
> control that may not be available in the GUI.
> 
> An example we ran into long ago is that people "think" they know which apps
> are accessing their contacts, but if they use only the GUI, they do not.
> 
> Also, adb allows precise targeting of specific users (--user 0, --user 10,
> etc.) & multi-profile environments like Island or Shelter (Work Profiles).
> 
> However, Carlos is right that OTA and system updates can re-enable system
> apps that we thought were "gone" so I won't dismiss the possibility that it
> can likely happen, particularly after major OS updates perhaps (or, of
> course, after a complete factory reset).
> 
> In addition, adb allows if/then/else scripting, which isn't in a GUI.
>   a. disable -> changes enabled state
>   b. uninstall --user -> removes the package from that user's set
>   c. clear -> removes that user's app data
>   d. suspend -> prevents normal use while leaving it installed
>   e. install-existing -> restores an existing system package for that use	r
> 
> In addition, adb is easily reproducible. For example, if I factory reset, I
> can re-run my saved adb commands which can re-establish a previous state.
> 
> But overall, my answer to Carlos' reasonable question is simply that ADB
> exposes operations that the Android GUI may not expose, and lets us perform
> them precisely, repeatedly, and on a specified user/profile.

Certainly. Just that not everybody is happy with such a powerful tool.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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  Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-10-04 23:50 -0500
    Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-05 04:48 -0300
      Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-10-05 03:32 -0500
        Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-05 12:02 -0300
          Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-10-05 22:10 -0500
            Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-06 14:30 -0300
      Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-10-05 13:45 +0200
        Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-05 12:01 -0300
          Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-10-06 10:59 +0200
            Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-06 14:38 -0300
              Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-10-08 17:57 +0200
                Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-08 15:48 -0700
      Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:18 +0200
        Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-10-06 12:47 +0200
          Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-06 15:31 -0300
            Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:53 +0200
              Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-06 16:28 -0300
                Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 21:51 +0200
                Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-07 02:41 -0300
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          Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-06 15:43 -0300
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              Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-10-08 20:34 +0200
              Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-08 15:41 -0700
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    Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-05 12:05 -0300
      Re: Eliminate Gemini from Android Phone? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-10-06 11:01 +0200
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