Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]


Groups > comp.mobile.android > #74018

Re: OT: Key duplication

From Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: OT: Key duplication
Date 2021-01-22 07:27 -0700
Message-ID <i705ncFg7b1U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References (5 earlier) <rubttm$9ng$1@dont-email.me> <fh7pdh-5hk.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> <rud0g4$icq$1@dont-email.me> <97updh-28a.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> <ruekq5$p7r$1@dont-email.me>

Show all headers | View raw


On 1/22/2021 6:43 AM, Mayayana wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
> 
> | >   Ha ha. Yes. Free to wrestle with commandline.
> |
> | Or enjoy the command line :-P
> |
> 
>    Possibly. I plan to go for a walk today on crutches,
> which I don't need. I'll test your idea that idiotic tedium
> can be more fun. :)
> 
>    For years I would try Linux periodically. I set a goal.
> If I can set up what I want without editing files in /etc
> or using console windows, and if I could find an easy,
> intuitive firewall that blocks outgoing by process, then
> I might get more serious about Linux. A very low bar. I'm
> happy to have commandline. I just don't want it to be
> required.
> 
>    I figure that's common sense. I wouldn't buy a new
> car that needs a transmission. I wouldn't move into a
> house with ceilings that are falling down. I wouldn't
> use an OS that requires me to become an expert
> before I can do basic things easily. Linux hasn't even
> come close so far. I looked at the WINE site for versions
> and ended up coming across a long page of commandline
> instructions to install it on Mint. Huh?! What's the matter
> with these people? Are they all still 15 year old virgins?
> 
> ... But, I haven't tried Linux lately, so... the bar is now
> even lower because Win10 is so bad.
> 
>    I've used Suse before so I decided to try that instead of Mint.
> They seem to have a smoother system for software install.
> But in recent years it seems that Linux has been missing the
> point in other ways. Increasingly there's a "civilian" wrapper
> that locks down the system and works great for elderly
> people who want to check their email. But the in-between --
> the approach that used to be done so well on Windows --
> is missing. That was the way that MS provided options for
> people at every level of expertise... before they decided to
> lock customers out of the product with Win10.
> 
>     In Linux there's an attitude that if you're not fluent in
> C++ and can't recite the 5 greatest achievements of
> Richard Stallman then you shouldn't be able to change
> system settings. The elephant in the room is that the vast
> majority of pimple-faced Linux nuts don't want it to be
> usable. They like to imagine themselves like wizards, using
> arcane incantations that no one else can understand. It's
> like the representation of advanced computing in TV shows.
> They always show something like a green screen with yellow
> text showing scarps of DOS or C++ to indicate "incredibly
> advanced computer stuff that you could never hope to
> understand".
> 
>     It was similar recently setting up a raspberry pi. It
> works pretty well. But I had to go online to figure out
> some basics. Then I had to write down the incantations
> needed and run them. That's a serious design flaw, when
> I need to search through online forums to find out how
> to use the product... and have to be tech-savvy to carry
> it out.
> 
> | You might run Linux daily without touching the command line, except for
> | some repairs or maintenance.
> |
> | Hey, even Windows has a command line
> 
>     Yes, but I almost never have to use it. I used it
> recently on an old XP computer to swap out hal.dll
> for the multi-core-cpu version of hal.dll. I used to
> use it for youtube-dl before I wrote a wrapper for
> that. There's a reason for GUI. It's much, much
> easier. If I have to do anything in console more
> than once, that's a design problem. There should
> be a button or slider or radio buttons or checkbox
> somewhere to perform that action.


I've never used, or even tried Linux or Apple's operating system, or any 
other operating system except for Android. (and IBM's mainframe 
operating systems, none of which I've used for almost 30 years now).

Which is the best operating system for PCs? I don't know and I don't 
care. Windows is fine for me.  I'm not the world's biggest Windows 
expert, but I know it very well, and I'm not about to toss away the time 
and trouble I've spent learning it, and start all over again to learn 
something new.

-- 
Ken

Back to comp.mobile.android | Previous | NextPrevious in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread


Thread

OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 10:54 -0800
  Re: OT: Key duplication sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-13 11:09 -0800
    Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 12:08 -0800
      Re: OT: Key duplication nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-13 15:19 -0500
        Re: OT: Key duplication Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 13:40 +0000
          Re: OT: Key duplication Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-14 15:43 +0000
          Re: OT: Key duplication nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-14 10:59 -0500
      Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-13 22:58 +0100
        Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 15:56 -0800
          Re: OT: Key duplication John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 07:33 +0700
            Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 21:27 -0800
              Re: OT: Key duplication AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-13 23:28 -0700
              Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 23:07 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 15:58 +0700
                Re: OT: Key duplication AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-15 09:34 -0700
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-15 15:30 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-15 18:13 -0500
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 18:47 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-16 04:17 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-16 09:14 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-17 02:31 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-16 22:08 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-18 23:08 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-18 14:22 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-19 13:50 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 10:56 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-19 12:34 -0700
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-19 22:35 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 15:55 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-20 01:42 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 19:54 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 21:02 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-20 08:38 -0700
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-20 10:01 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-20 12:37 -0700
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-20 23:14 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-20 23:34 +0000
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-21 14:56 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-21 09:59 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-21 22:09 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-21 14:06 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-22 04:08 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-21 19:35 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-22 12:45 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-22 09:37 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-22 23:21 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-23 19:59 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-21 19:48 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-22 07:31 -0700
                Re: OT: Key duplication Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-21 22:22 +0000
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-22 04:16 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-22 07:42 -0700
                Re: OT: Key duplication sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-21 15:16 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> - 2021-01-22 07:46 +0700
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-22 04:25 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-20 19:49 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-20 21:01 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-20 22:47 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-21 05:16 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-21 09:55 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-23 20:05 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-21 14:49 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-21 06:46 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-21 10:09 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-21 09:56 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-20 13:04 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication Boris <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-22 02:02 +0000
                Re: OT: Key duplication John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> - 2021-01-22 09:30 +0700
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-22 04:36 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-18 12:37 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-18 14:07 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-18 14:41 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-18 15:03 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2021-01-19 16:02 +0000
                Re: OT: Key duplication Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 20:48 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-19 20:43 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-20 09:08 -0500
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-20 23:08 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2021-01-20 09:08 -0500
                Re: OT: Key duplication sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-20 07:42 -0800
              Re: OT: Key duplication micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2021-01-20 08:25 -0500
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-20 09:37 -0800
            Re: OT: Key duplication micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2021-01-20 08:16 -0500
          Re: OT: Key duplication  Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-14 00:37 +0000
      Re: OT: Key duplication "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-20 09:03 -0500
        Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-20 09:53 -0800
        Re: OT: Key duplication Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-20 20:20 -0800
          Re: OT: Key duplication "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-21 08:00 -0500
            Re: OT: Key duplication Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-21 05:31 -0800
            Re: OT: Key duplication sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-21 07:14 -0800
              Re: OT: Key duplication "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-21 12:28 -0500
                Re: OT: Key duplication sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-21 11:18 -0800
            Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-21 22:15 +0100
              Re: OT: Key duplication "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-21 17:50 -0500
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-22 04:43 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-22 08:43 -0500
                Re: OT: Key duplication Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-22 07:27 -0700
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-22 12:46 -0500
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-22 12:50 -0500
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-22 23:29 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication - Wine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-22 23:36 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-22 23:42 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-22 16:05 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-23 09:11 -0700
                Re: OT: Key duplication The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-23 10:37 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-23 17:23 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-01-23 09:07 -0700
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-23 13:42 -0500
                Re: OT: Key duplication sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-22 14:48 -0800
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-23 05:02 +0100
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-23 08:47 -0500
                Re: OT: Key duplication "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-23 00:20 +0100
  Re: OT: Key duplication Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-18 12:29 -0800
  Re: OT: Key duplication micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2021-01-20 07:19 -0500

csiph-web