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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android |
| Subject | Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? |
| Date | 2015-07-30 20:33 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d1ucspFs9nfU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (9 earlier) <motbl0$mom$1@news.sap-ag.de> <ur85ra5tnnmdpqg7k5237vsasfrkq2qbul@dim53.demon.nl> <mp4p5h$img$1@news.sap-ag.de> <d1ngo2F5ut9U1@mid.individual.net> <mp7bhb$f9g$1@news.sap-ag.de> |
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Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote > Rod Speed wrote >> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote >>> Kees Nuyt wrote >>>> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote >>>>> It is true in the sense that many providers here in Germany actually >>>>> have a paragraph stating that VOIP is not supported. >>>> "Not supported" does not mean "forbidden". >>> Nope, they mean it in the sense of 'forbidden'. >> BULLSHIT. Skype works fine. > Did I say anything different? Everyone can see that you did, fuckwit. > *You* don't understand the difference between something being being > forbidden by the terms of the service Skype isn't. > (which is only a legal matter), Wrong, as always. > and blocking something so that a customer can't use it Skype ain't either. > (which is a technical matter). Wrong, as always. > As I already stated days ago, a number of German providers have (had?) > terms that forbid the usage of VoIP connections on their mobile networks BULLSHIT. > - but I have to see a provider actually enforcing this regulation by > blocking such services (like Skype). Because they aren't allowed to forbid VOIP, fuckwit. >>>> They just want to warn you that their helpdesk will not help you >>>> solve any problems with VOIP. You are on your own - but of course >>>> there are webfora and possibly newsgroups with enthousiasts that will >>>> try to help people with VOIP setup questions. >>> That is yet another point, but not the one they want to address with >>> that paragraph. >> Wrong on that last. VOIP is not forbidden. Skype works fine. > Read up about the difference between 'forbidden' and 'blocked'. Don’t need to. >>>>> However, as of now I have not really heard that they actually >>>>> enforce this - which in turn shows that this is not really >>>>> used all that much as of now. Might change, though... >>>> Low-cost VOIP is quite common in Europe for the tech savvy crowd. >>> Which is still a (comparably small) subset of the overall crowd... ;-) >> Bullshit with Skype alone. > You've got no idea about the usage of Skype in Germany. Wrong, as always. > And I'm not talking about the number of customers, but the number of > minutes actually used - just to be precise. You don’t either, no one does. >>>> The average consumer will only use VOIP if their ISP includes and >>>> supports it in the package - usually triple play: Internet / Phone / >>>> TV, either over phone or cable-TV infrastructure. They don't know >>>> it's VOIP though ;) >>> Here in Germany all landline providers (mostly it's the former >>> monopolist T-Com, but as well cable companies, Vodafone, and a few local >>> ones) either always sold VoIP telephone lines, or currently in the >>> process of converting all their landlines to VoIP (to be concluded by >>> 2018). >> Separate matter entirely to what is being discussed. > As if you cared... You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag. >>> However, this is done in a way that the usual consumer won't see much >>> of a difference (except for perhaps slightly worse service grades). >> It can be significantly better. > Yepp, it can be. Unfortunately, as of now the service grade is not, it's > worse. Wrong, as always. > I'm on such a service and I (and many colleagues) see much more outages > than we ever had using POTS. That isn't with the landlines converted to VOIP internally. > And since we (most of us at least) are still using classical phones (and > not IP phones), the advantages like better voice transmission (due to > higher bandwidth) don't really show up. Even more pig ignorant than you usually manage.
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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 10:17 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? madodel ptd News <madodel@ptd.net> - 2015-07-22 08:36 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:15 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:33 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 16:43 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:53 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 17:02 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:37 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:36 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:34 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 09:43 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:30 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:57 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 15:58 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 18:54 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:44 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 16:39 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:39 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 04:21 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 16:37 +0200
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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:43 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:57 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 16:06 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 18:54 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 14:40 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 12:24 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 17:06 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 09:57 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:45 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:45 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 10:01 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam> - 2015-07-22 15:25 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? madodel ptd News <madodel@ptd.net> - 2015-07-23 14:22 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 00:14 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? madodel ptd News <madodel@ptd.net> - 2015-07-24 08:07 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 18:02 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-24 14:38 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-24 18:20 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 18:10 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-26 18:21 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 09:02 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 10:06 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 18:06 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 10:23 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 18:09 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 10:12 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 09:38 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 20:33 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-30 17:25 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 07:28 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 15:50 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:18 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 18:00 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 11:13 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 10:30 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:47 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 18:13 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:18 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:33 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 16:49 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:40 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-23 17:29 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-24 18:11 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-24 14:47 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 09:47 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 20:43 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 09:50 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-07-28 12:21 +0100
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 20:44 +1000
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