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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy?

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <d1accaFrgqkU3@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > > > That's interesting how they work it differently in Europe than in the USA.
> > > > 
> > > > In general, in the USA, to RECEIVE a phone call is usually free on 
> > > > landlines, but on USA cellphones, it costs minutes to RECEIVE a call just 
> > > > as it costs minutes to make a phone call.
> > > 
> > > which is how it should be because it's using airtime.
> > 
> >   True, but that doesn't make it right for the receiver to pay, just
> > because the caller wants to call hir. 
> 
> sure it does, because the receiver chose to use his/her cellphone.

  They didn't 'choose' their cellphone. 'choose' implies there *is* a
choice, most of the time there isn't.

  But - once again - you managed to dodge and divert: The *point* is
that the *caller* decided to call the receiver. The receiver had no
choice in the matter. (And don't bother to come up with your bull that
the receiver could choose to not answer the call.)

> > > > In Europe, it seems, in general, that to RECEIVE a phone call on
> > > > a local SIM card doesn't cost them anything on a cell phone. 
> > > 
> > > however, there's a surcharge for calling a mobile phone versus a
> > > landline.
> > 
> >   It's not a surcharge, but different pricing. 
> 
> word games.

  No, a surcharge is a *seperate*  extra cost.

> it's a surcharge:
> <https://www.fcc.gov/guides/surcharges-international-calls-wireless-phon
> es>
>   Consumers should be aware that placing an international long distance
>   call from your wireline telephone here in the United States to a
>   wireless phone in another country may result in a ³surcharge² on your
>   bill in addition to your usual charges.

  <boggle> 

  Can you please try to follow the discussion? (In this subthread) We
are NOT talking about international calls, but about calls *within* a
country, comparing the US to most other countries in the world.

> >   Anyway, for most
> > providers - at least in our country (NL) -, that's now no longer true.
> > I.e. same price landline to landline and landline to mobile.
> 
> that's how it should be.

  And that's how it *is* is many (most? all?) countries. You're
misinformed, but - as usual - to pig-headed to admit it.

> > > why should a caller have to pay extra for something outside their
> > > control? anyone who wants to be called on a mobile device should pay
> > > for any associated fees, not the callers.
> > 
> >   See above. Mostly they don't, and *if* they have to, the caller knows
> > and can make up hir own mind.

  Again you dodge and divert: "See above." is a reference to what I
wrote, which shows that this whole 'problem' is in *your* head only.

  The reason I wrote the rest of the paragraph is that some people
*choose* for price differentiation. (Figure *that!? Freedom of choice!?
Who would have thunk about *that*!?)

> there is no reason to burden the caller to find out what type of phone
> the recipient is using.

  That 'burden' only exists in the US. In the rest of the world, there
*is* no such burden, because it's clear from the number whether or not
it's a mobile phone number.

> if the recipient uses a phone that incurs additional charges they
> should be the one to pay them.

  And they do, if these charges are beyond the control/knowledge of the
caller.

  In the US, the caller is protected, because they can't reasonably know
what's on the other end.

  In the rest of the world, that problem does not exists, so the caller
is charged according to *hir* choice.

  QED.

  HTH. HAND. EOD. NC.

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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-22 20:22 +0000
  Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 18:54 -0400
    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 10:20 +1000
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 14:16 +1000
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-23 01:08 -0400
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 15:18 +1000
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-07-26 10:00 +0000
    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-23 18:46 +0000
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:45 -0400
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 14:14 +1000
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-27 17:33 -0400
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 08:41 +1000
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 10:36 +0200
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-28 20:29 +0000
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