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Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing.

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Subject Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing.
Date Tue, 27 Oct 2026 15:56:52 -0700
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On Oct 27, 2026 at 3:15 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
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> On 10/23/2026 4:00 PM, Alan wrote:
> 
>> For quite some while, we've seen that once Arlen/Andy/Wally J/Maria/
>> (other numerous posting nyms) gets an idea fixed in his/her head,
>> almost no demonstrations of facts will sway him/her.
>>
>> For instance!
>>
>> I'm a road racing driver and instructor. I've been racing since 2013.
>>
>> But for Arlen (I knew him first by that nym, IIRC) he became
>> convinced that I couldn't possibly be those things...
>>
>> ...despite lots of conclusive evidence of the fact.
>>
>> And it boiled down to only a couple of things.
>>
>> First, I drive a BMW 135i, and Arlen insisted that if I didn't know
>> which nicknames were used for BMW's cars and motorcyles, then I
>> couldn't possibly be a racing driver. Mar 9, 2023
>>
>> 'If Alan claims to race beemers, he's a moron for not even knowing
>> the first thing about his fabrications since the term came about in
>> racing circles.
>>
>> Jesus Christ.
>> What kind of idiot 'racer' doesn't know that?
>>
>> Hence, I wish you wouldn't quote that moron Alan Baker, Jolly Roger,
>> but now that you have, if he doesn't even know the difference between
>> a bimmer and a beemer, there's zero chance of his track fabrication
>> being true.'
>>
>> And on December 20, 2023, he brought up the "catenary" curve.:
>>
>> 'That's why I brought up the word "catenary" which _every_ (real)
>> racer knows all about, as it's one of the most important words in
>> racing schools.'
>>
>> And now (of course) he's taken to using AI LLMs to try and "prove"
>> his "facts"...
>>
>> ...so I did the same:
>>
>> I asked Gemini:
>>
>> "Can you find any reference online that refers to the shape of the
>> curve a road racing car takes through a corner as being a catenary
>> curve?"
>>
>> And the response was:
>>
>> "No, online references and vehicle dynamics literature do not refer
>> to the curve a racing car takes through a corner as a catenary
>> curve."
>>
>> But let's not stop there!
>>
>> I asked ChatGPT the same question, and it answered:
>>
>> 'I searched for references that explicitly describe a road-racing
>> car's path through a corner as a catenary curve, rather than merely
>> discussing the geometry of the racing line.
>>
>> So far, I haven't found a convincing reference that makes that exact
>> identification. I did find some useful sources discussing the
>> mathematical shape of a racing line, which help distinguish a
>> catenary from other curves that might look similar.'
>>
>> But my laughing at him over this led to him putting me in his kill
>> file!
>>
>> And after scouring the internet, the only place he could find a
>> reference to a "catenary" curve in racing...
>>
>> ...was the curve that one programmer chose to use...
>>
>> ...in a simulation...
>>
>> ...of a track for racing model wooden race cars...
>>
>> ...that were about one foot long!
> 
> 
> I believe you. You're the one with standing, integrity. We've had our
> disagreements, but I haven't sensed dishonesty, from you. These other
> characters don't hit me the same way.

Alan and I disagree at times but overall I think he is one of the good
ones.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-23 13:00 -0700
  Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-10-25 09:11 +0100
    Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-25 11:05 -0700
      Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-10-25 22:19 +0100
        Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-25 14:38 -0700
  Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 07:38 -0400
    Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-26 11:55 -0700
      Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 09:19 -0400
        Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-10-28 11:37 -0400
  Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 11:49 -0400
    Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-26 11:34 -0700
      Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 09:58 -0400
        Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-28 11:57 -0700
          Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 17:38 -0400
            Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-28 14:43 -0700
              Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 07:46 -0400
                Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-29 10:35 -0700
                Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 14:17 -0400
                Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-29 11:40 -0700
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                Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-30 10:24 -0700
                Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 14:39 -0400
                Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-30 11:57 -0700
                Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-29 11:14 -0700
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            Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-10-29 07:46 +0100
              Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-29 01:26 -0700
                Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-10-29 11:17 +0100
                Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-29 11:09 -0700
                Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. News <News@Group.Name> - 2026-10-29 16:04 -0400
                Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-29 13:13 -0700
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    Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-27 15:56 -0700
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