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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone |
| Subject | Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. |
| Date | 2026-10-27 15:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1793141812.B01F108A@gmail.com> (permalink) |
| References | <11bgedj$24hp5$3@dont-email.me> <11br7q9$1ub6f$1@dont-email.me> |
| Organization | Southern Nevada Institute of Technology |
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On Oct 27, 2026 at 3:15 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote in 11br7q9$1ub6f$1@dont-email.me: > On 10/23/2026 4:00 PM, Alan wrote: > >> For quite some while, we've seen that once Arlen/Andy/Wally J/Maria/ >> (other numerous posting nyms) gets an idea fixed in his/her head, >> almost no demonstrations of facts will sway him/her. >> >> For instance! >> >> I'm a road racing driver and instructor. I've been racing since 2013. >> >> But for Arlen (I knew him first by that nym, IIRC) he became >> convinced that I couldn't possibly be those things... >> >> ...despite lots of conclusive evidence of the fact. >> >> And it boiled down to only a couple of things. >> >> First, I drive a BMW 135i, and Arlen insisted that if I didn't know >> which nicknames were used for BMW's cars and motorcyles, then I >> couldn't possibly be a racing driver. Mar 9, 2023 >> >> 'If Alan claims to race beemers, he's a moron for not even knowing >> the first thing about his fabrications since the term came about in >> racing circles. >> >> Jesus Christ. >> What kind of idiot 'racer' doesn't know that? >> >> Hence, I wish you wouldn't quote that moron Alan Baker, Jolly Roger, >> but now that you have, if he doesn't even know the difference between >> a bimmer and a beemer, there's zero chance of his track fabrication >> being true.' >> >> And on December 20, 2023, he brought up the "catenary" curve.: >> >> 'That's why I brought up the word "catenary" which _every_ (real) >> racer knows all about, as it's one of the most important words in >> racing schools.' >> >> And now (of course) he's taken to using AI LLMs to try and "prove" >> his "facts"... >> >> ...so I did the same: >> >> I asked Gemini: >> >> "Can you find any reference online that refers to the shape of the >> curve a road racing car takes through a corner as being a catenary >> curve?" >> >> And the response was: >> >> "No, online references and vehicle dynamics literature do not refer >> to the curve a racing car takes through a corner as a catenary >> curve." >> >> But let's not stop there! >> >> I asked ChatGPT the same question, and it answered: >> >> 'I searched for references that explicitly describe a road-racing >> car's path through a corner as a catenary curve, rather than merely >> discussing the geometry of the racing line. >> >> So far, I haven't found a convincing reference that makes that exact >> identification. I did find some useful sources discussing the >> mathematical shape of a racing line, which help distinguish a >> catenary from other curves that might look similar.' >> >> But my laughing at him over this led to him putting me in his kill >> file! >> >> And after scouring the internet, the only place he could find a >> reference to a "catenary" curve in racing... >> >> ...was the curve that one programmer chose to use... >> >> ...in a simulation... >> >> ...of a track for racing model wooden race cars... >> >> ...that were about one foot long! > > > I believe you. You're the one with standing, integrity. We've had our > disagreements, but I haven't sensed dishonesty, from you. These other > characters don't hit me the same way. Alan and I disagree at times but overall I think he is one of the good ones. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-23 13:00 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-10-25 09:11 +0100
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-25 11:05 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-10-25 22:19 +0100
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-25 14:38 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 07:38 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-26 11:55 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 09:19 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2026-10-28 11:37 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 11:49 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-26 11:34 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 09:58 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-28 11:57 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 17:38 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-28 14:43 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 07:46 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-29 10:35 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 14:17 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-29 11:40 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 10:41 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-30 10:24 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 14:39 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-30 11:57 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-29 11:14 -0700
OT: And the coward ducked out of this one... (was Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-30 10:26 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-10-29 07:46 +0100
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-29 01:26 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-10-29 11:17 +0100
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-29 11:09 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. News <News@Group.Name> - 2026-10-29 16:04 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-29 13:13 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. News <News@Group.Name> - 2026-10-30 09:59 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-27 18:15 -0400
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-10-27 15:56 -0700
Re: How badly Arlen/Maria gets it wrong: the catenary curve and road racing. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 08:08 +0000
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