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  Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-24 20:07 +0000
    Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) "cykros" <cykros@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-17 23:14 -0400
      Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-18 09:58 +0000
        Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 12:48 -0700
          Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-19 10:15 +0000
            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-06-19 20:02 +0000
              Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-06-20 02:49 -0300
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-20 09:28 +0000
                  Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon,  Classic, Unity, etc.) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-06-20 15:20 -0300
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-06-20 19:59 +0000
              Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-22 16:40 +0300
            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-19 17:45 -0700
        Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-18 23:50 +0300
        Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-06-21 01:18 +0100
          Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-21 02:16 -0700
            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-06-21 13:05 +0100
              Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-21 18:54 +0200
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-06-21 20:05 +0300
                  Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-21 22:04 +0200
                    Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 22:07 +0200
                      Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-22 05:20 +0200
                        Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-23 19:51 +0300
                          Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-23 22:46 +0200
                            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-25 20:11 +0300
      Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) A Lurker <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-19 18:59 +0000

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#3788

On Saturday 21 June 2014 22:07, Andy K. conveyed the following to 
comp.misc...

> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 22:04:36 +0200
> Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Saturday 21 June 2014 19:05, Marko Rauhamaa conveyed the following
>> to comp.misc...
>> 
>> > Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid>:
>> > 
>> >> First of all, if you use make use of KMail, then the ~/.kde (or
>> >> ~/.kde4) directory also contains all your e-mails - normally in
>> >> ~/.kde{,4}/share/apps/kmail/mail.
>> > 
>> > That is scary!
>> 
>> That's the default, but you can get around that by making that a
>> symbolic link to another directory.
> 
> Can't you simply tell kmail to use another directory? That would seem
> like a more "organic" solution.

Sure, if you modify the source code.  The default directory is hard-
coded in.  The easier approach is to move the directory elsewhere and 
then create a symlink to it under ~/.kde4/share/apps/kmail.

You do of course need to do this when KMail is _not_ running.

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= Aragorn =

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#3796

Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> writes:

> Sure, if you modify the source code.  The default directory is hard-
> coded in.  The easier approach is to move the directory elsewhere and 
> then create a symlink to it under ~/.kde4/share/apps/kmail.
>
> You do of course need to do this when KMail is _not_ running.

Uh, I seem to have these akonadi_imap_resource processes running (one
per email account) and get notifications of new mail whether KMail is
running or not... So perhaps it's not quite enough to kill KMail when
doing that move?

For the record, my .kde4 directory has 335 MB of data, 330 MB of it in
.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/virtuosobackend/soprano-virtuoso.db

No kmail directory even exists under .kde4. There's a kmail2 directory
which contains an empty autosave directory... So I don't actually know
if my emails are in that one huge db but presumably. This is with KDE
4.13.1.

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#3804

On Monday 23 June 2014 18:51, Anssi Saari conveyed the following to 
comp.misc...

> Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> writes:
> 
>> Sure, if you modify the source code.  The default directory is hard-
>> coded in.  The easier approach is to move the directory elsewhere and
>> then create a symlink to it under ~/.kde4/share/apps/kmail.
>>
>> You do of course need to do this when KMail is _not_ running.
> 
> Uh, I seem to have these akonadi_imap_resource processes running (one
> per email account) and get notifications of new mail whether KMail is
> running or not... So perhaps it's not quite enough to kill KMail when
> doing that move?
> 
> For the record, my .kde4 directory has 335 MB of data, 330 MB of it in
> .kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/virtuosobackend/soprano-
virtuoso.db
> 
> No kmail directory even exists under .kde4. There's a kmail2 directory
> which contains an empty autosave directory... So I don't actually know
> if my emails are in that one huge db but presumably. This is with KDE
> 4.13.1.

Yeah, kmail2 is different.  It was introduced in KDE a few versions ago 
and uses sqlite as its backend for storage.  

Sorry about that.  I'm still using the original KMail here.

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#3867

Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> writes:

> Yeah, kmail2 is different.  It was introduced in KDE a few versions ago 
> and uses sqlite as its backend for storage.  

After some googling, it looks like that db is not the mail storage, it's
the KDE semantic desktop stuff and apparently some addressbook stuff is
stored there by KAddressbook as well. My "local mail" is stored in
$HOME/.local/share/local-mail but there's just about 20 MB of stuff,
mostly under trash.

I guess this means Kmail2 doesn't actually suck all email down from my
IMAP servers? That seems so radical. Even though that was a big point of
IMAP, the mailbox paradigm was pushed really hard for a long time and as
far as I know, Thunderbird at least seems to download everything, IMAP
or no.

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#3763

cykros <cykros@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Gnome was never something I loved, but the events of 3 years ago made
> sure I'd never leave it around on anything out of laziness.  It was
> amazing how quickly they managed to burn their empire with gnome 3.

I had already migrated away from Gnome for tilier pastures, but after
that fiasco I really sat up and took notice of of how the team acted.
Once I saw how bad it was, I tried to drop everything to do with that
dev team, although I still haven't managed to remove everything gtk.

I think the turning point was when I read a bug report for one of the
very early Gnome 3 versions of Evince (their pdf viewer) in which a user
complained that since migrating from 2.x, they couldn't save default
settings such as 100% page view. The developer who answered him said
something along the lines of ``Such a feature doesn't fit the vision of
Gnome... but if you pull from the master branch of the git repository
and press ^T, you might be pleasantly surprised.''.

That a user could bring an obvious enhancement request (regression
report, actually), that a developer could completely agree with them and
write a trivial fix but then have to hide that fix behind an
undocumented keystroke to avoid the design team; that made me jump ship
entirely.

To their credit, ``Save Current Settings as Default'' seems to be a very
visible option in Evince now, since when I search for that bug report, I
find only reports of it breaking and being fixed in recent 3.x series
releases.  Still, Gnome is now in my books as A Possibly Well-Engineered
Solution To A Problem I Don't Have.

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