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| Started by | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| First post | 2014-04-18 14:16 +0000 |
| Last post | 2014-05-02 01:49 +0000 |
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Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-04-18 14:16 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-04-25 00:12 -0300
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-25 05:16 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-04-28 15:14 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-04-28 18:19 +0300
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-04-28 16:51 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-04-28 18:23 -0300
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2014-04-28 17:41 -0700
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-29 04:07 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-04-29 07:25 +0300
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-04-29 10:15 -0400
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-04-29 17:25 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-04-29 15:51 -0400
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-04-30 09:30 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-04-30 10:13 -0400
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-04-30 20:26 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-04-30 22:33 -0400
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-05-01 02:52 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-05-01 08:06 +0100
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-05-01 19:44 +0100
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Andreas Karrer <ak-4a@gmx.ch> - 2014-05-01 09:23 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-01 16:38 +0300
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-05-01 12:26 -0400
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-04-28 15:47 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-04-29 01:10 -0300
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-04-28 16:50 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-29 04:06 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-04-30 21:19 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-05-01 19:54 +0100
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-04-29 16:44 +0300
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-01 21:06 +0000
Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2014-05-02 01:49 +0000
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| From | Andreas Karrer <ak-4a@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 09:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlm44k0.f0c.ak-4a@chimborazo.ee.ethz.ch> |
| In reply to | #2554 |
* Dan.Espen <despen@verizon.net>: > I first used Fvwm2 on a Sparc1+. Can't remember how much memory. > I'd guess 256M. Unlikely. Max. memory on the SS1/SS1+ was 64 MB. We never used OpenWindows or CDE on those, only plain X11, first twm, then ctwm, and then fvwm2 for a long time. Today, I'm no longer particular about a specific wm. It's like cars, I don't care if the speedometer is digital of analog, manual shift or automatic, even if the steering wheel is on the wrong side; I adapt to any of them. Usually, I set up the WM with focus-follows-mouse or sloppy focus, but then I use Eclipse a lot which cannot do that with its internal windows. And it is simply not true that new desktop environmenst are *that* memory hungry. I just converted my mother's 8y old laptop from XP to Mint/Cinnamon, and in comparison to FF/T-Bird/Chrome, the memory consumption is quite modest. - Andi
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| From | Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 16:38 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <87iopp4o1r.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> |
| In reply to | #2561 |
Andreas Karrer <ak-4a@gmx.ch>: > Usually, I set up the WM with focus-follows-mouse or sloppy focus, but > then I use Eclipse a lot which cannot do that with its internal > windows. Eclipse is quite obnoxious about its real-estate use. It essentially wants the whole screen to itself. That's not the only reason I still prefer emacs as my "IDE" (and newsreader). Marko
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| From | despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 12:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <icsiot8nxy.fsf@home.home> |
| In reply to | #2561 |
Andreas Karrer <ak-4a@gmx.ch> writes: > * Dan.Espen <despen@verizon.net>: > >> I first used Fvwm2 on a Sparc1+. Can't remember how much memory. >> I'd guess 256M. > > Unlikely. Max. memory on the SS1/SS1+ was 64 MB. > > We never used OpenWindows or CDE on those, only plain X11, first twm, > then ctwm, and then fvwm2 for a long time. I'd guess then 64MB was it. That sounds really crazy in today's world, we don't normally count in MB. Our staff was sure we'd all want to go to CDE. They put that XDM type thing in our way and expected us not to complain. No way we would put up with a task bar/pager staring us in the face. During the glory days we had more and more developers switching over to a nice clean fvwm2 based development environment. Of course Windows struck and everyone was forced to at least have a Windows machine on the desk. To this day, we still have a few people working primarily on Sun's. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 15:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnllsu0h.sq2.maxupixu@pisces.my-domain> |
| In reply to | #2496 |
2014-04-28, RS Wood wrote: > Which interface would you recommend or do you enjoy on a daily basis, > and why? I use Awesome WM as my UI, so to speak. I recommend it to users seeking for keyboard-driven, highly customizable, resource-friendly window manager. -- :q!
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2014-04-29 01:10 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87y4yord1h.fsf@nudel.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #2498 |
Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> writes: > 2014-04-28, RS Wood wrote: > >> Which interface would you recommend or do you enjoy on a daily basis, >> and why? > > I use Awesome WM as my UI, so to speak. I recommend it to users seeking > for keyboard-driven, highly customizable, resource-friendly window > manager. I'll have to check that out. I sould do with even more keyboard and less mouse. I use X with a very simple WM (twm). Most things I do in and xterm or in GNU Emacs. Stuff intrinsically graphic -- web browser, image editing -- start from an xterm and do the GUI thing. No "desktop" frills. Why? Does all I need; KISS; faster on older hardware (I haven't bought a "new" computer since my first 486 20 years ago.). "Life long learning" is supposed to be about learning *new* stuff, not about learning the same stuff over and over at the whim of interface designers. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 16:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bs7f5qF159iU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2496 |
On 2014-04-28, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> ... like a tornado full of syphilitic sharks. ...
*applause*
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“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime;
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-04-29 04:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnllu9a1.1rn9.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #2496 |
In message <20140428151448.c6ee3468.rsw@therandymon.com> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 05:16:14 +0000 (UTC) > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <lirc49$t9k$1@solani.org> >> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: >> > GNOME 3 has gotten lots of criticism from some users, but it's time to accept >> > it for what it is and let go of the past. >> >> Yes, an utter pile of crap. > I happen to agree - I love 'new' or 'interesting' interfaces, but have > so far avoided this one like a tornado full of syphilitic sharks. So: > Which interface would you recommend or do you enjoy on a daily basis, I dislike all of the Linux windowing systems, but Gnome 2 is tolerable for minutes at a time. The only Unix GUI that is any good at all is OS X, but I really do most of my work from the command line. > and why? I use KDE4 reluctantly, but my heart is still with KDE3, > Windowmaker, and for almost all routine stuff now, the CLI. Yet, one CLI to rule them all. unzip, strip, touch, finger, grep, mount, fsck, more, yes, fsck, fsck, fsck, umount, sleep -- I wrote this song two hours before we met. I didn't know your name, or what you looked like yet....
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-04-30 21:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bsd7mgFnibtU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2513 |
On 2014-04-29, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> The only Unix GUI that is any good at all is OS X,
Oh, dear.
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Today is Setting Orange, the 47th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime;
the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out
automatically and without pity.”
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| From | Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 19:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <6m55m9ls9o2hggbk6jkcsa2f8i3ot8iqvj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2551 |
On 30 Apr 2014 21:19:12 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >On 2014-04-29, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >> The only Unix GUI that is any good at all is OS X, > >Oh, dear. Now, now, all those left handed artsy fartsy types who regard Russ Andrews as a hero must really appreciate Apple's pandering to their 'special needs'. -- Regards, J B Good
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| From | Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> |
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| Date | 2014-04-29 16:44 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <vg38uqomesa.fsf@coffee.modeemi.fi> |
| In reply to | #2496 |
RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes: > Which interface would you recommend or do you enjoy on a daily basis, > and why? I like KDE4 on my three year old Thinkpad X201. It has enough options and builtin stuff to realize a UI I want without figuring out what file it is this year where I have to edit to get the usual stuff right. Like turn Caps lock into control or have double click on the titlebar max out the window in vertical... I like some light eye candy too like transparency and wobbly windows. Also the stuff I want on a laptop mostly works in KDE. Those things like managing the radios and whichever is used when to do whatever, power management based on power state and battery status. Then there's using the various extra keys for volume and screen brightness and whatever. I remember back in 2008 I picked Gnome 2 over KDE 4 as KDE always registered two presses of the mute button... There were other problems too with KDE4 back then. On my desktop the interface is the Awesome window manager. Funny how things change when you have a desktop: no radios at all so no need for NetworkManager and modemmanager. And if I need to adjust volume, that's why the amp has a volume knob... And power has only three states, off, s2r and on. Also since Awesome is a tiling window manager where a mouse is by no means required, I once had taken the mouse somewhere else and worked happily without a mouse for a couple of hours without even realizing it wasn't there... The IFs for my OpenWRT router are CLI and web browser (via LuCi) although it's beefy enough I probably could run GUI apps on it. Oh, I tried Gnome3 at some point. Tweaked it a lot which involved things from editing XML files to installing addons to have basic funtionality. It was OK for a while but then there was an update to Gnome3 which wiped all that so I wiped Gnome... I think I tried Razor-qt at that point before settling on KDE4. Razor was very cool but hardly what I consider usable on a laptop.
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 21:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5362b764$0$65217$862e30e2@ngroups.net> |
| In reply to | #2426 |
On 2014-04-18 14:16:41 +0000, RS Wood said: > From the «pardon me while I reach for my flamethrower» department: > Title: GNOME 3: It’s time to let go of the past > Author: bob@lxer.com > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:45:37 -0400 > Link: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=201087 > > GNOME 3 has gotten lots of criticism from some users, but it's time to accept > it for what it is and let go of the past. An article posted just a day or two ago by Bruce Byfield that takes issue with the untested hypotheses that have become some sort of Gnome dogma and for which there is no obvious, scientific defense. You can tell by his choice of words – particularly toward the end – that he's walking on eggshells before Gnome fans issue a fatwa on his head for having called Gnome3 'garbage,' which he has not. http://www.datamation.com/open-source/gnome-and-the-gigo-principle.html
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| From | Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-05-02 01:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20140501214743@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #2582 |
On 2014-05-01, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > On 2014-04-18 14:16:41 +0000, RS Wood said: > An article posted just a day or two ago by Bruce Byfield that takes > issue with the untested hypotheses that have become some sort of Gnome > dogma and for which there is no obvious, scientific defense. ... After getting my first look at Gnome 3 I switched to Xfce and haven't looked back. I suspect that I'm not the only one. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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