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Microsoft UWP is probably abandoned

Started byRS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
First post2019-05-11 22:20 -0400
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  Microsoft UWP is probably abandoned RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-11 22:20 -0400
    Re: Microsoft UWP is probably abandoned Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> - 2019-05-12 10:37 +0100
      Re: Microsoft UWP is probably abandoned Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-13 11:19 +0000

#17963 — Microsoft UWP is probably abandoned

FromRS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
Date2019-05-11 22:20 -0400
SubjectMicrosoft UWP is probably abandoned
Message-ID<qgckqf-jio.ln1@rasp.therandymon.com>
From the «but will it play for sure?» department:
Title: Microsoft Throws in the Towel on UWP, Elevates Win32
Author: Fnord666
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 20:37:00 -0400
Link: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/05/11/0320247&from=rss

martyb[1] writes:

Microsoft Throws in the Towel on UWP, Elevates Win32[2]:

Years ago — back before the launch of Windows 8 — Microsoft announced that
going forward, app development would be driven by fundamentally different
rules and capabilities than what had been the case before. Applications
distributed via the Windows Store would be written to new standards, with new
rules about what data they could access and which languages were supported.
Older Win32 apps would still run, but they were ultimately intended to be
replaced by an entirely new suite of applications written under new design
rules, and distributed through the Windows Store.

Pretty much none of this actually happened. The Windows Store went on to
become a dead-letter trainwreck of applications no one wanted or used. It was
stuffed with counterfeit apps for applications like Facebook that pretended
to be genuine products. Microsoft recently removed its own Office installer
from the Windows Store. Over the years, Microsoft has tried rebranding its
own software development push in various ways, but none of it has sparked
much interest in creating UWP (Universal Windows Platform) apps. Now, the
company is taking multiple steps to allow Win32 applications to take
advantage of the same features it's rolled out for UWP in the past. While
Microsoft isn't admitting defeat in its effort to push everyone into using
the Windows Store, that's what this practically amounts to.

"You've told us that you would like us to continue to decouple many parts of
the Universal Windows Platform so that you can adopt them incrementally,"
Microsoft corporate vice president Kevin Gallo wrote[3] this week, in a
developer-centric blog post. "Allowing you to use our platform and tools to
meet you where your customers are going – empowering you to deliver rich,
intelligent experiences that put people at the center."

But doesn't everyone want a program that plays for sure on Windows?
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Read more of this story[5] at SoylentNews.

Links:
[1]: http://soylentnews.org/~martyb/ (link)
[2]: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/291124-microsoft-throws-in-the-towel-on-uwp-elevates-win32 (link)
[3]: https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2019/05/06/developing-people-centered-experiences-with-microsoft-365/#T5kJZEdof2Ssma4K.97 (link)
[4]: http://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=33663 (link)
[5]: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/05/11/0320247&from=rss (link)


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#17969

FromAdrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid>
Date2019-05-12 10:37 +0100
Message-ID<gjq7q3Fhn9vU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#17963
On 12/05/2019 03:20, RS Wood wrote:
>  From the «but will it play for sure?» department:
> Title: Microsoft Throws in the Towel on UWP, Elevates Win32
> Author: Fnord666
> Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 20:37:00 -0400
> Link: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/05/11/0320247&from=rss
> 
> martyb[1] writes:
> 
> Microsoft Throws in the Towel on UWP, Elevates Win32[2]:
> 
> Years ago — back before the launch of Windows 8 — Microsoft announced that
> going forward, app development would be driven by fundamentally different
> rules and capabilities than what had been the case before. Applications
> distributed via the Windows Store would be written to new standards, with new
> rules 

All this coupling to enable a touch smart phone like experience for 
Windows got ditched some time back, now the actual universal apps are 
going. Hurrah!

A long time back Microsoft fiddled around with desktop gadgets, which 
was another dead end. And further back, Active Desktop - remember that?

 From Windows 8 onwards, Microsoft created the new Metro design 
language, and crippled the start menu...

I'd suggest this next needs undo'ing.

(Or, can i install a linux window manager, e.g. LXDE on Windows?)


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#17978

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2019-05-13 11:19 +0000
Message-ID<slrnqdikm7.n0k.dan@djph.net>
In reply to#17969
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Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> On 12/05/2019 03:20, RS Wood wrote:
>> [...]
>> Years ago — back before the launch of Windows 8 — Microsoft announced
>> that going forward, app development would be driven by fundamentally
>> different rules and capabilities than what had been the case before.
>> Applications distributed via the Windows Store would be written to
>> new standards, with new rules [...]
> [...]
>  From Windows 8 onwards, Microsoft created the new Metro design 
> language, and crippled the start menu...
>
> I'd suggest this next needs undo'ing.
>
> (Or, can i install a linux window manager, e.g. LXDE on Windows?)

Well, if you'd be so kind as to install Windows-Super-Telemetry-2019 ...
apparently the answer is "yes" (or a resounding "maybe").

Least the few news articles that do reach my desk about WSL2.0 seem to
indicate they're looking at practically a full-featured VM approach.



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