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| Started by | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| First post | 2014-03-11 15:36 +0000 |
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The story of MSX computers in 1984 RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-11 15:36 +0000
Re: The story of MSX computers in 1984 Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-11 13:37 -0700
Re: The story of MSX computers in 1984 Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-03-11 22:56 +0000
Re: The story of MSX computers in 1984 Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-11 16:56 -0700
Re: The story of MSX computers in 1984 Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2014-03-12 02:33 +0000
Re: The story of MSX computers in 1984 Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-11 23:05 -0700
| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-11 15:36 +0000 |
| Subject | The story of MSX computers in 1984 |
| Message-ID | <20140311153651.24344420.rsw@therandymon.com> |
From the 'If it's got an X in the name it's cool' department: http://www.dvorak.org/blog/whatever-happened-to-msx-computers/ Not too many people will recall the short-lived era of the “MSX” initiative which was slated to pretty much take over the non-existent middle world where consumer electronics met personal computers. It was always believed, back then, that this is where the sweet spot of profits would emerge. What emerged was instead laughable MSX. It was one of Microsoft’s greatest flops. ... [major snippage] ... In February of 1990 one of the last hold outs for MSX, Sony Corporation, gave up on supporting MSX and moved into production of AX computers (another dead-end) and mini-notebook machines. Only Panasonic continued to make an MSX-II Turbo machine. Sanyo also stayed in the consortium to no avail The story of MSX – if it is ever remembered — might eventually be a Harvard Business School case study. The entire episode proves that popularizing a new standard is not a trivial pursuit." -- RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
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| From | Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-11 13:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lfns72$3aq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1463 |
On 2014-03-11 15:36:51 +0000, RS Wood said: > From the 'If it's got an X in the name it's cool' department: > > http://www.dvorak.org/blog/whatever-happened-to-msx-computers/ > > Not too many people will recall the short-lived era of the “MSX†> initiative which was slated to pretty much take over the non-existent > middle world where consumer electronics met personal computers. It was > always believed, back then, that this is where the sweet spot of > profits would emerge. What emerged was instead laughable MSX. It was > one of Microsoft’s greatest flops. > > ... [major snippage] ... > > In February of 1990 one of the last hold outs for MSX, Sony > Corporation, gave up on supporting MSX and moved into production of AX > computers (another dead-end) and mini-notebook machines. Only Panasonic > continued to make an MSX-II Turbo machine. Sanyo also stayed in the > consortium to no avail > > The story of MSX – if it is ever remembered — might eventually be a > Harvard Business School case study. The entire episode proves that > popularizing a new standard is not a trivial pursuit." While MSX machines were very rare stateside, they were probably the most popular platform in Japan for about a decade. The problem that MSX faced here in the USA was that Microsoft was pushing DOS for everything, and even finding an advertisement for MSX in the USA is difficult. Back then there were several competing computer platforms in Japan which were almost never seen stateside - MSX, Sharp's X1 and later X68000, the Fujitsu Fm series, and the NEC PC-8801s. They are sought by collectors these days, not only for the rarity of the hardware but also because these platforms had many many games. I have to say, as usual, that Dvorak missed the point. MSX failed in the USA and Canada, but it made a lot of companies a lot of money in Japan and Brazil. He can't be blamed entirely for his journalistic error, though. Most people are not aware of the variety of Japanese home computers because they never had a chance to see them.
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| From | Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-11 22:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lfo4a4$kbm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1482 |
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:37:54 -0700, Oregonian Haruspex wrote: > On 2014-03-11 15:36:51 +0000, RS Wood said: > >> From the 'If it's got an X in the name it's cool' department: >> >> http://www.dvorak.org/blog/whatever-happened-to-msx-computers/ >> >> Not too many people will recall the short-lived era of the âMSXâ >> initiative which was slated to pretty much take over the non-existent >> middle world where consumer electronics met personal computers. It was >> always believed, back then, that this is where the sweet spot of >> profits would emerge. What emerged was instead laughable MSX. It was >> one of Microsoftâs greatest flops. >> >> ... [major snippage] ... >> >> In February of 1990 one of the last hold outs for MSX, Sony >> Corporation, gave up on supporting MSX and moved into production of AX >> computers (another dead-end) and mini-notebook machines. Only Panasonic >> continued to make an MSX-II Turbo machine. Sanyo also stayed in the >> consortium to no avail >> >> The story of MSX â if it is ever remembered â might eventually be a >> Harvard Business School case study. The entire episode proves that >> popularizing a new standard is not a trivial pursuit." > > While MSX machines were very rare stateside, they were probably the most > popular platform in Japan for about a decade. The problem that MSX > faced here in the USA was that Microsoft was pushing DOS for everything, > and even finding an advertisement for MSX in the USA is difficult. > > Back then there were several competing computer platforms in Japan which > were almost never seen stateside - MSX, Sharp's X1 and later X68000, the > Fujitsu Fm series, and the NEC PC-8801s. They are sought by collectors > these days, not only for the rarity of the hardware but also because > these platforms had many many games. > > I have to say, as usual, that Dvorak missed the point. MSX failed in > the USA and Canada, but it made a lot of companies a lot of money in > Japan and Brazil. > > He can't be blamed entirely for his journalistic error, though. Most > people are not aware of the variety of Japanese home computers because > they never had a chance to see them. In Europe, MSX had some limited success for a very short period due to the Philips VG-8000 series: http://www.msx.org/wiki/Category:Philips In 1984, a Z80A computer was too little too late. Commodore 64 was still going strong in the 8-bit segment. Some IBM-PC clones, notably the Sanyo MBC-550 and some "White PCs" (machines without a brand), were already affordable to home users. A year later in 1985, the Atari ST and the Commodore Amiga brought M68000 power in reach for home users and killed the MSX market.
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| From | Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-11 16:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lfo7ra$3d6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1489 |
On 2014-03-11 22:56:04 +0000, Koen Lefever said: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:37:54 -0700, Oregonian Haruspex wrote: > >> On 2014-03-11 15:36:51 +0000, RS Wood said: >> >>> From the 'If it's got an X in the name it's cool' department: >>> >>> http://www.dvorak.org/blog/whatever-happened-to-msx-computers/ >>> >>> Not too many people will recall the short-lived era of the > “MSX†>>> initiative which was slated to pretty much take over the non-existent >>> middle world where consumer electronics met personal computers. It was >>> always believed, back then, that this is where the sweet spot of >>> profits would emerge. What emerged was instead laughable MSX. It was >>> one of Microsoft’s greatest flops. >>> >>> ... [major snippage] ... >>> >>> In February of 1990 one of the last hold outs for MSX, Sony >>> Corporation, gave up on supporting MSX and moved into production of AX >>> computers (another dead-end) and mini-notebook machines. Only Panasonic >>> continued to make an MSX-II Turbo machine. Sanyo also stayed in the >>> consortium to no avail >>> >>> The story of MSX – if it is ever remembered — might eventually > be a >>> Harvard Business School case study. The entire episode proves that >>> popularizing a new standard is not a trivial pursuit." >> >> While MSX machines were very rare stateside, they were probably the most >> popular platform in Japan for about a decade. The problem that MSX >> faced here in the USA was that Microsoft was pushing DOS for everything, >> and even finding an advertisement for MSX in the USA is difficult. >> >> Back then there were several competing computer platforms in Japan which >> were almost never seen stateside - MSX, Sharp's X1 and later X68000, the >> Fujitsu Fm series, and the NEC PC-8801s. They are sought by collectors >> these days, not only for the rarity of the hardware but also because >> these platforms had many many games. >> >> I have to say, as usual, that Dvorak missed the point. MSX failed in >> the USA and Canada, but it made a lot of companies a lot of money in >> Japan and Brazil. >> >> He can't be blamed entirely for his journalistic error, though. Most >> people are not aware of the variety of Japanese home computers because >> they never had a chance to see them. > > In Europe, MSX had some limited success for a very short period due to > the Philips VG-8000 series: > > http://www.msx.org/wiki/Category:Philips > > In 1984, a Z80A computer was too little too late. Commodore 64 was still > going strong in the 8-bit segment. Some IBM-PC clones, notably the Sanyo > MBC-550 and some "White PCs" (machines without a brand), were already > affordable to home users. A year later in 1985, the Atari ST and the > Commodore Amiga brought M68000 power in reach for home users and killed > the MSX market. It's interesting that the Amiga and ST never made much headway in the states. I only knew one person with an Amiga back in those days, and I have still never seen an ST in real life. Almost everybody I knew had a Commodore 64, an Apple II of some flavor, some type of IBM or clone, or a Macintosh. I went to a special magnet middle school for computers and technology so my peers were all pretty computer-savvy and so were their parents. I do agree that, in the USA and perhaps Europe, a Z80 was a bit wimpy for the time frame (certainly by the late 80s) but in Japan these MSX boxes seem to have been the predominant computer, with Microsoft's DOS/V struggling to catch on even after the MSX was almost a decade old. Let's not even get into the sad demise of the British computers of the 80s!
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| From | Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-12 02:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20140311222712@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #1491 |
On 2014-03-11, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > Let's not even get into the sad demise of the British computers of the 80s! Or for that matter, the British computers of the early 1950s: http://www.kzwp.com/lyons/leo.htm http://www.leo-computers.org.uk (Yes, Virginia, the world's first business computer was built by a British catering company!) The Brits were well ahead in the computer game early on but unfortunately in the end were unable to stay competitive. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| From | Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-11 23:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lfotf1$q8t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1496 |
On 2014-03-12 02:33:09 +0000, Roger Blake said: > On 2014-03-11, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Let's not even get into the sad demise of the British computers of the 80s! > > Or for that matter, the British computers of the early 1950s: > > http://www.kzwp.com/lyons/leo.htm > http://www.leo-computers.org.uk > > (Yes, Virginia, the world's first business computer was built by a British > catering company!) > > The Brits were well ahead in the computer game early on but unfortunately > in the end were unable to stay competitive. It didn't help that the British government and especially the MoD kept buying American computers. One of my favorite video games, Elite, came out on the BBC Micro. Of course, I played it on a different platform, having never seen a BBC Micro in real life.
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