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  Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-04-18 14:16 +0000
    Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-04-25 00:12 -0300
    Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-25 05:16 +0000
      Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-04-28 15:14 +0000
        Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-04-28 18:19 +0300
          Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-04-28 16:51 +0000
          Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-04-28 18:23 -0300
          Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2014-04-28 17:41 -0700
          Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-29 04:07 +0000
            Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-04-29 07:25 +0300
              Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-04-29 10:15 -0400
                Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-04-29 17:25 +0000
                  Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-04-29 15:51 -0400
                    Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-04-30 09:30 +0000
                      Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-04-30 10:13 -0400
                        Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-04-30 20:26 +0000
                          Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-04-30 22:33 -0400
                            Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-05-01 02:52 +0000
                            Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-05-01 08:06 +0100
                              Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-05-01 19:44 +0100
                            Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Andreas Karrer <ak-4a@gmx.ch> - 2014-05-01 09:23 +0000
                              Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-01 16:38 +0300
                              Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-05-01 12:26 -0400
        Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2014-04-28 15:47 +0000
          Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-04-29 01:10 -0300
        Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-04-28 16:50 +0000
        Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-29 04:06 +0000
          Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-04-30 21:19 +0000
            Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-05-01 19:54 +0100
        Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-04-29 16:44 +0300
    Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-01 21:06 +0000
      Re: Gnome 3: it's time to let go of the past Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2014-05-02 01:49 +0000

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#2561

* Dan.Espen <despen@verizon.net>:

> I first used Fvwm2 on a Sparc1+.  Can't remember how much memory.
> I'd guess 256M.

Unlikely. Max. memory on the SS1/SS1+ was 64 MB.

We never used OpenWindows or CDE on those, only plain X11, first twm,
then ctwm, and then fvwm2 for a long time.

Today, I'm no longer particular about a specific wm. It's like cars, I
don't care if the speedometer is digital of analog, manual shift or
automatic, even if the steering wheel is on the wrong side; I adapt to
any of them.

Usually, I set up the WM with focus-follows-mouse or sloppy focus, but
then I use Eclipse a lot which cannot do that with its internal
windows.

And it is simply not true that new desktop environmenst are *that*
memory hungry. I just converted my mother's 8y old laptop from XP to
Mint/Cinnamon, and in comparison to FF/T-Bird/Chrome, the memory
consumption is quite modest.

 - Andi

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#2564

Andreas Karrer <ak-4a@gmx.ch>:

> Usually, I set up the WM with focus-follows-mouse or sloppy focus, but
> then I use Eclipse a lot which cannot do that with its internal
> windows.

Eclipse is quite obnoxious about its real-estate use. It essentially
wants the whole screen to itself. That's not the only reason I still
prefer emacs as my "IDE" (and newsreader).


Marko

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#2571

Andreas Karrer <ak-4a@gmx.ch> writes:

> * Dan.Espen <despen@verizon.net>:
>
>> I first used Fvwm2 on a Sparc1+.  Can't remember how much memory.
>> I'd guess 256M.
>
> Unlikely. Max. memory on the SS1/SS1+ was 64 MB.
>
> We never used OpenWindows or CDE on those, only plain X11, first twm,
> then ctwm, and then fvwm2 for a long time.

I'd guess then 64MB was it.
That sounds really crazy in today's world, we don't normally count in
MB.

Our staff was sure we'd all want to go to CDE.  They put that
XDM type thing in our way and expected us not to complain.

No way we would put up with a task bar/pager staring us in the face.
During the glory days we had more and more developers switching
over to a nice clean fvwm2 based development environment.

Of course Windows struck and everyone was forced to at least
have a Windows machine on the desk.  To this day, we still have
a few people working primarily on Sun's.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#2498

2014-04-28, RS Wood wrote:
> Which interface would you recommend or do you enjoy on a daily basis,
> and why?

I use Awesome WM as my UI, so to speak. I recommend it to users seeking
for keyboard-driven, highly customizable, resource-friendly window
manager.

-- 
:q!

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#2515

Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> writes:

> 2014-04-28, RS Wood wrote:
>
>> Which interface would you recommend or do you enjoy on a daily basis,
>> and why?
> 
> I use Awesome WM as my UI, so to speak. I recommend it to users seeking
> for keyboard-driven, highly customizable, resource-friendly window
> manager.

I'll have to check that out. I sould do with even more keyboard and
less mouse.

I use X with a very simple WM (twm). Most things I do in and xterm or
in GNU Emacs.  Stuff intrinsically graphic -- web browser, image
editing -- start from an xterm and do the GUI thing.  No "desktop"
frills.

Why? Does all I need; KISS; faster on older hardware (I haven't bought
a "new" computer since my first 486 20 years ago.).

"Life long learning" is supposed to be about learning *new* stuff, not
about learning the same stuff over and over at the whim of interface
designers. 

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#2500

On 2014-04-28, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:

> ... like a tornado full of syphilitic sharks. ...

*applause*

-- 
Today is Pungenday, the 45th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime;
 the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out
                 automatically and without pity.”

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#2513

In message <20140428151448.c6ee3468.rsw@therandymon.com> 
  RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 05:16:14 +0000 (UTC)
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <lirc49$t9k$1@solani.org> 
>>   RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> > GNOME 3 has gotten lots of criticism from some users, but it's time to accept
>> > it for what it is and let go of the past.
>> 
>> Yes, an utter pile of crap.


> I happen to agree - I love 'new' or 'interesting' interfaces, but have
> so far avoided this one like a tornado full of syphilitic sharks.  So:

> Which interface would you recommend or do you enjoy on a daily basis,

I dislike all of the Linux windowing systems, but Gnome 2 is tolerable
for minutes at a time.

The only Unix GUI that is any good at all is OS X, but I really do most
of my work from the command line.

> and why?  I use KDE4 reluctantly, but my heart is still with KDE3,
> Windowmaker, and for almost all routine stuff now, the CLI.

Yet, one CLI to rule them all.

unzip, strip, touch, finger, grep, mount, fsck, more, yes, fsck, fsck,
fsck, umount, sleep

-- 
I wrote this song two hours before we met. I didn't know your name, or
what you looked like yet....

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#2551

On 2014-04-29, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> The only Unix GUI that is any good at all is OS X, 

Oh, dear.

-- 
Today is Setting Orange, the 47th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime;
 the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out
                 automatically and without pity.”

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#2576

On 30 Apr 2014 21:19:12 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

>On 2014-04-29, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> The only Unix GUI that is any good at all is OS X, 
>
>Oh, dear.

 Now, now, all those left handed artsy fartsy types who regard Russ
Andrews as a hero must really appreciate Apple's pandering to their
'special needs'.
-- 
Regards, J B Good

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#2520

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:

> Which interface would you recommend or do you enjoy on a daily basis,
> and why?

I like KDE4 on my three year old Thinkpad X201. It has enough options
and builtin stuff to realize a UI I want without figuring out what file
it is this year where I have to edit to get the usual stuff right. Like
turn Caps lock into control or have double click on the titlebar max out
the window in vertical... I like some light eye candy too like
transparency and wobbly windows.

Also the stuff I want on a laptop mostly works in KDE. Those things like
managing the radios and whichever is used when to do whatever, power
management based on power state and battery status. Then there's using
the various extra keys for volume and screen brightness and whatever. I
remember back in 2008 I picked Gnome 2 over KDE 4 as KDE always
registered two presses of the mute button... There were other problems
too with KDE4 back then.

On my desktop the interface is the Awesome window manager. Funny how
things change when you have a desktop: no radios at all so no need for
NetworkManager and modemmanager. And if I need to adjust volume, that's
why the amp has a volume knob... And power has only three states, off,
s2r and on. Also since Awesome is a tiling window manager where a mouse
is by no means required, I once had taken the mouse somewhere else and
worked happily without a mouse for a couple of hours without even
realizing it wasn't there...

The IFs for my OpenWRT router are CLI and web browser (via LuCi)
although it's beefy enough I probably could run GUI apps on it.

Oh, I tried Gnome3 at some point. Tweaked it a lot which involved things
from editing XML files to installing addons to have basic
funtionality. It was OK for a while but then there was an update to
Gnome3 which wiped all that so I wiped Gnome...

I think I tried Razor-qt at that point before settling on KDE4. Razor
was very cool but hardly what I consider usable on a laptop.

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#2582

On 2014-04-18 14:16:41 +0000, RS Wood said:

> From the «pardon me while I reach for my flamethrower» department:
> Title: GNOME 3: It’s time to let go of the past
> Author: bob@lxer.com
> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:45:37 -0400
> Link: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=201087
> 
> GNOME 3 has gotten lots of criticism from some users, but it's time to accept
> it for what it is and let go of the past.

An article posted just a day or two ago by Bruce Byfield that takes 
issue with the untested hypotheses that have become some sort of Gnome 
dogma and for which there is no obvious, scientific defense.  You can 
tell by his choice of words – particularly toward the end – that he's 
walking on eggshells before Gnome fans issue a fatwa on his head for 
having called Gnome3 'garbage,' which he has not.

http://www.datamation.com/open-source/gnome-and-the-gigo-principle.html

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#2589

On 2014-05-01, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> On 2014-04-18 14:16:41 +0000, RS Wood said:
> An article posted just a day or two ago by Bruce Byfield that takes 
> issue with the untested hypotheses that have become some sort of Gnome 
> dogma and for which there is no obvious, scientific defense. ...

After getting my first look at Gnome 3 I switched to Xfce and haven't
looked back. I suspect that I'm not the only one.

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