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  Why? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-05-18 19:18 +1000
    Re: Why? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-18 14:09 +0000
    Re: Why? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-18 19:51 +0000
      Re: Why? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-05-18 21:06 -0300
    Re: Why? Miss Robot <miss.robot@lozza.ca> - 2019-06-21 11:53 -0400
      Re: Why? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-06-21 17:01 +0000
        Re: Why? Miss Robot <miss.robot@lozza.ca> - 2019-06-21 17:24 -0400
          Re: Why? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-06-21 21:53 +0000
          Re: Why? Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> - 2019-06-23 11:35 +0100

#18012 — Why?

Why does it take fifteen clicks to order a burger, but only a single 
enter character to submit a partly completed letter to the government?

Sylvia.

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#18013

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Sylvia Else wrote:
> Why does it take fifteen clicks to order a burger, but only a single 
> enter character to submit a partly completed letter to the government?

Gov't system was written in the x0's, when you practically had a
doctorate in mathematics / computer science in order to write the
program.

As opposed to the cheapest "dev(tm)" who took 14 months and untold
thousands to re-invent a basic UI.


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#18015

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
> Why does it take fifteen clicks to order a burger, but only a single 
> enter character to submit a partly completed letter to the government?

Because the McDonalds marketing department has determined that the 
additional "engagement" provided by the fifteen clicks produces more 
up-sell opportunities (i.e., advertising) that, they believe, result in 
a higher net sale vs. the one-click model, and so to increase profit, 
fifteen clicks it is.

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#18019

Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:

> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Why does it take fifteen clicks to order a burger, but only a single 
>> enter character to submit a partly completed letter to the government?
> 
> Because the McDonalds marketing department has determined that the 
> additional "engagement" provided by the fifteen clicks produces more 
> up-sell opportunities (i.e., advertising) that, they believe, result in 
> a higher net sale vs. the one-click model, and so to increase profit, 
> fifteen clicks it is.

Any day now, web design will be done or at least managed by neural
nets.  There will be, say, 2500 input units representing any feature,
element or factor that the neural net guys can distinguish.  After
training, the answer to this or any similar "why" question will be
embodied in the 2500 x N matrix of weights (and similar for multiple
layers).  No human will *ever* be able to determine "why" the resulting
pages are as they come to be except that they generate more
juice. (viz. profit, clicks, eyeballs, gross sales or whatever target
they were trained on.)

All those 20-something web designers from the naughties we've come to
hate will 40-somethings but off the hook for responsibility.  They may
also be unemployed.

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#18274

On Sat, 18 May 2019 19:18:11 +1000
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:

> Why does it take fifteen clicks to order a burger, but only a single 
> enter character to submit a partly completed letter to the government?
> 
> Sylvia.

Capitalism

-- 
Miss Robot <miss.robot@invalid>

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#18276

On 2019-06-21, Miss Robot <miss.robot@lozza.ca> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2019 19:18:11 +1000
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Why does it take fifteen clicks to order a burger, but only a single 
>> enter character to submit a partly completed letter to the government?
>> 
>> Sylvia.
>
> Capitalism

That'll be the capitalism that provides you with everything you eat,
wear, own, live in, drive, need to post to Usenet, drink and doubtless
many other things I've forgotten.


-- 
Today is Boomtime, the 26th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3185
                  Rising above bedlam

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#18280

On 21 Jun 2019 17:01:17 GMT
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> On 2019-06-21, Miss Robot <miss.robot@lozza.ca> wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 May 2019 19:18:11 +1000
> > Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Why does it take fifteen clicks to order a burger, but only a single 
> >> enter character to submit a partly completed letter to the government?
> >> 
> >> Sylvia.
> >
> > Capitalism
> 
> That'll be the capitalism that provides you with everything you eat,
> wear, own, live in, drive, need to post to Usenet, drink and doubtless
> many other things I've forgotten.

Oh sorry! My corporate masters did give me a small percentage of the value I produced. My mistake!

See: Surplus labour value

Tax is theft? SLV theft is a bigger crime.


> 
> 
> -- 
> Today is Boomtime, the 26th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3185
>                   Rising above bedlam


-- 
Miss Robot <miss.robot@invalid>

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#18281

On 2019-06-21, Miss Robot <miss.robot@lozza.ca> wrote:
> On 21 Jun 2019 17:01:17 GMT
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2019-06-21, Miss Robot <miss.robot@lozza.ca> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 18 May 2019 19:18:11 +1000
>> > Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Why does it take fifteen clicks to order a burger, but only a single 
>> >> enter character to submit a partly completed letter to the government?
>> >> 
>> >> Sylvia.
>> >
>> > Capitalism
>> 
>> That'll be the capitalism that provides you with everything you eat,
>> wear, own, live in, drive, need to post to Usenet, drink and doubtless
>> many other things I've forgotten.
>
> Oh sorry! My corporate masters did give me a small percentage of the value I produced. My mistake!
>
> See: Surplus labour value
>
> Tax is theft? SLV theft is a bigger crime.

And off to the 'tard farm you go.


-- 
Today is Boomtime, the 26th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3185
                  Rising above bedlam

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#18289

On 21/06/2019 22:24, Miss Robot wrote:
> On 21 Jun 2019 17:01:17 GMT
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2019-06-21, Miss Robot <miss.robot@lozza.ca> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 18 May 2019 19:18:11 +1000
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why does it take fifteen clicks to order a burger, but only a single
>>>> enter character to submit a partly completed letter to the government?
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> Capitalism
>>
>> That'll be the capitalism that provides you with everything you eat,
>> wear, own, live in, drive, need to post to Usenet, drink and doubtless
>> many other things I've forgotten.
> 
> Oh sorry! My corporate masters did give me a small percentage of the value I produced. My mistake!
> 
> See: Surplus labour value
> 
> Tax is theft? SLV theft is a bigger crime.

I always learn something when students of ancient history post on Usenet.

-- 
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey
England
(bruce at scorecrow dot com)

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