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  Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2018-05-15 02:04 +0000
    Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2018-05-15 02:48 +0000
      Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2018-05-15 08:13 +0300
        Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2018-05-18 22:43 -0300
          Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Yeechang Lee <ylee@columbia.edu> - 2019-04-17 23:49 -0700
            Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-04-18 16:58 -0300
            Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-04-22 19:29 -0400
              Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2019-04-23 08:03 +0300
              Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-04-29 16:44 -0400
      Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2018-05-15 07:55 +0000
        Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> - 2018-05-15 09:04 +0000
          Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com> - 2018-05-15 09:32 -0400
            Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> - 2018-05-15 14:13 +0000
              Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2018-05-15 10:42 -0400
              Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-05-16 04:28 +0000
        Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-05-15 10:27 +0100
    Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Dario Niedermann <dario@darioniedermann.it> - 2018-05-15 11:09 +0200
    Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-05-15 10:10 +0100
    Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2018-05-15 12:55 +0200
      Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2018-05-15 11:36 +0000
    Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2018-05-15 12:58 +0200
    Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2018-05-15 22:50 +0300
      Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> - 2018-05-15 20:53 +0000
        Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2018-05-18 10:11 +0300
    Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-05-15 15:38 -0500
    Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-04 08:33 +0000
      Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-06-04 12:50 +0000
        Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2018-06-04 19:14 -0400
          Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-05 01:46 -0500
            Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-06-06 02:22 +0000
          Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2018-06-05 11:05 +0000
          Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-06-05 12:39 +0000
            Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2018-06-05 18:37 -0400
              Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-06-05 22:58 +0000
    Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Sparc IPX <sparcipx@sdf.lonestar.org> - 2018-06-09 18:33 +0000
      Re: Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client? Michael Black <mblack@pubnix.net> - 2018-06-11 12:47 -0400

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#15906 — Slashdot asks: what's your favorite email client?

From the «mutt or die» department:
Title: Slashdot Asks: Which Is Your Favorite Email Client?
Author: help@slashdot.org
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 21:03:00 -0400
Link: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/SN4HGZBIO0w/slashdot-asks-which-is-your-favorite-email-client

With Google recently rolling out a big revamp of Gmail to mixed reviews, we
would like to know which email client you prefer. Are you a firm believe in the
"inbox zero" idea -- that is, the approach to email management aimed at keeping
the inbox empty, or almost empty, at all times? If you're looking for
inspiration, Ars Technica recently published an article highlighting several
different email clients used by the editors of the site: Are you the sort of
person who needs to read and file every email they get? Or do you delight in
seeing an email client icon proudly warning of hundreds or even thousands of
unread items? For some, keeping one's email inbox with no unread items is more
than just a good idea: it's a way of life, indicating control over the 21st
century and its notion of productivity. For others, it's a manifestation of an
obsessively compulsive mind. The two camps, and the mindsets behind them, have
been a frequent topic of conversation here in the Ars Orbiting HQ. And rather
than just argue with each other on Slack, we decided to collate our thoughts
about the whole "inbox zero" idea and how, for those who adhere to it, that
happens. Some of the clients floated by the editors include: Webmail, Airmail
3, Readdle's Spark, Edison Mail, Sparrow, Inbox by Gmail, and MailSpring.

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#15907

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> With Google recently rolling out a big revamp of Gmail to mixed reviews, we
> would like to know which email client you prefer.

mutt

> Are you a firm believe in the "inbox zero" idea

With 17,523 emails (currently) in my 'inbox', I guess I'm not a firm
believer of the "inbox zero" idea.  I read them, then just leave them
there.  Every now and again I'll move a collected group off into
another folder.

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#15908

Rich <rich@example.invalid>:

> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> With Google recently rolling out a big revamp of Gmail to mixed
>> reviews, we would like to know which email client you prefer.
>
> mutt

GNUS

>> Are you a firm believe in the "inbox zero" idea
>
> With 17,523 emails (currently) in my 'inbox', I guess I'm not a firm
> believer of the "inbox zero" idea. I read them, then just leave them
> there. Every now and again I'll move a collected group off into
> another folder.

GNUS deletes ("expires") messages after a week unless I mark them for
safekeeping.


Marko

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#15934

Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> writes:

> Rich <rich@example.invalid>:
> 
>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> With Google recently rolling out a big revamp of Gmail to mixed
>>> reviews, we would like to know which email client you prefer.
>>
>> mutt
> 
> GNUS

Interesting that no one has mentioned Emacs' RMAIL.  I've been using
that for 29 years.  Encounters with mhmail, something or other on VMS
and webmail all easily forgettable.  Web mail in a pinch if I'm away
from home because it offers some protection with crypto -- horrible
but putatively secure in an unknown wifi venue.


>>> Are you a firm believe in the "inbox zero" idea

Yes, but sadly a backslider.  Most messages get filed of discarded.
When, gradually, the accumulated total reaches 100, I hastily deal
with, file or purge at least 50 before I get bored.  Result is a
couple or three dozen that I can't get around to figuring out what to
do with.  I just checked; the oldest has been there since 2003.  Mea
culpa.  Some kind of cognitive lapse in the locus decisionus, the
lateral decisive nucleus or something.

>> With 17,523 emails (currently) in my 'inbox', I guess I'm not a firm
>> believer of the "inbox zero" idea. I read them, then just leave them
>> there. Every now and again I'll move a collected group off into
>> another folder.

Well, I suppose egrep '(keyword|^Date:)' | vgrep is your friend.

> GNUS deletes ("expires") messages after a week unless I mark them for
> safekeeping.

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#17841

Mike Spencer wrote:
> Interesting that no one has mentioned Emacs' RMAIL.  I've been using
> that for 29 years.

Never used Rmail. I immediately went to and stayed with VM 24 years
ago. Makes Inbox Zero easy, too, thanks to `vm-auto-archive-messages`
(as configured through `vm-auto-folder-alist`).

-- 
geo:37.783333,-122.416667

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#17845

Yeechang Lee <ylee@columbia.edu> writes:

> Mike Spencer wrote:
>
>> Interesting that no one has mentioned Emacs' RMAIL.  I've been using
>> that for 29 years.
> 
> Never used Rmail. I immediately went to and stayed with VM 24 years
> ago. Makes Inbox Zero easy, too, thanks to `vm-auto-archive-messages`
> (as configured through `vm-auto-folder-alist`).

The downside of Emacs RMAIL is that the message headers used in the
RMAIL file format make it neccessary to use less than simple grep
locutions or a perl construct to get desired results when searching
heterogeneous archives of old email.

ylee is responding to my post from last May.  Finding my archived
copy was an exercise in the "downside" mentioned above as some of the
news archive is in RMAL format.

Still a backslider on Inbox Zero with 75 mssgs in inbox, only a dozen
of which are from this week.

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#17876

On 2019-04-18, Yeechang Lee <ylee@columbia.edu> wrote:
> Mike Spencer wrote:
>> Interesting that no one has mentioned Emacs' RMAIL.  I've been using
>> that for 29 years.
>
> Never used Rmail. I immediately went to and stayed with VM 24 years
> ago. Makes Inbox Zero easy, too, thanks to `vm-auto-archive-messages`
> (as configured through `vm-auto-folder-alist`).

Where do I find a good intro to VM?  Just did a casual search for emacs
imap clients and only came up with Wanderlust, gnus, and (sort of)
rmail.  Gnus I use/like for NNTP but it doesn't look easy to get imap
going. Wanderlust looks a bit easier but it still wasn't totally easy,
so I haven't got it going yet.  Never tried VM before - might give it a
try.

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#17877

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>:
> Gnus I use/like for NNTP but it doesn't look easy to get imap going.

I've been using GNUS with IMAP (MS Exchange). The experience is not
perfectly smooth, but it works ok.


Marko

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#17888

On 2019-04-22, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> Where do I find a good intro to VM?  Just did a casual search for emacs
> imap clients and only came up with Wanderlust, gnus, and (sort of)
> rmail.  Gnus I use/like for NNTP but it doesn't look easy to get imap
> going. Wanderlust looks a bit easier but it still wasn't totally easy,
> so I haven't got it going yet.  Never tried VM before - might give it a
> try.

Will self-reply: I found that it's bundled with Xemacs, but Xemacs looks
so horrifically ugly these days I lost hope.  Will stick with mutt then!

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#15909

On 2018-05-15, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> With Google recently rolling out a big revamp of Gmail to mixed reviews, we
>> would like to know which email client you prefer.
>
> mutt
>
>> Are you a firm believe in the "inbox zero" idea
>
> With 17,523 emails (currently) in my 'inbox', I guess I'm not a firm
> believer of the "inbox zero" idea. 

You're a sick, sick man. As soon as there's more than a screenful of emails, I file them.

My wife's like you, except she never files anything. Looking at her email makes me itchy.


-- 
I don't have an attitude problem.  If you have a problem with my
              attitude, that's your problem.

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#15910

On Tue, 15 May 2018 07:55:06 +0000, Huge wrote:

> On 2018-05-15, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>> With Google recently rolling out a big revamp of Gmail to mixed
>>> reviews, we would like to know which email client you prefer.
>>
>> mutt
>>
>>> Are you a firm believe in the "inbox zero" idea
>>
>> With 17,523 emails (currently) in my 'inbox', I guess I'm not a firm
>> believer of the "inbox zero" idea.
> 
> You're a sick, sick man. As soon as there's more than a screenful of
> emails, I file them.
> 
> My wife's like you, except she never files anything. Looking at her
> email makes me itchy.

I use Claws Mail. It is rare that my inbox occupies the whole window; I 
deal with them, and then delete or file them.



-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#15917

Bob Eager wrote:

> On Tue, 15 May 2018 07:55:06 +0000, Huge wrote:
> 
>> On 2018-05-15, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>>> With Google recently rolling out a big revamp of Gmail
>>>> to mixed reviews, we would like to know which email
>>>> client you prefer.
>>>
>>> mutt
>>>
>>>> Are you a firm believe in the "inbox zero" idea
>>>
>>> With 17,523 emails (currently) in my 'inbox', I guess
>>> I'm not a firm believer of the "inbox zero" idea.
>> 
>> You're a sick, sick man. As soon as there's more than a
>> screenful of emails, I file them.
>> 
>> My wife's like you, except she never files anything.
>> Looking at her email makes me itchy.
> 
> I use Claws Mail. It is rare that my inbox occupies the
> whole window; I deal with them, and then delete or file
> them.
> 
> 
> 
I use Sylpheed, which is what Claws is based on.

I use the filtering option heavily, so incoming mail is
sorted into categories based on originator or key words.

Lots of read messages in various mail buckets, but none
unread unless I mark them as such until I get around to
replying or acting on them.

Nyssa, who would not use a web-based email client unless
threatened with bodily harm

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#15918

On Tue, 15 May 2018 09:32:49 -0400, Nyssa wrote:

> Bob Eager wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 07:55:06 +0000, Huge wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2018-05-15, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>>>> With Google recently rolling out a big revamp of Gmail to mixed
>>>>> reviews, we would like to know which email client you prefer.
>>>>
>>>> mutt
>>>>
>>>>> Are you a firm believe in the "inbox zero" idea
>>>>
>>>> With 17,523 emails (currently) in my 'inbox', I guess I'm not a firm
>>>> believer of the "inbox zero" idea.
>>> 
>>> You're a sick, sick man. As soon as there's more than a screenful of
>>> emails, I file them.
>>> 
>>> My wife's like you, except she never files anything. Looking at her
>>> email makes me itchy.
>> 
>> I use Claws Mail. It is rare that my inbox occupies the whole window; I
>> deal with them, and then delete or file them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> I use Sylpheed, which is what Claws is based on.
> 
> I use the filtering option heavily, so incoming mail is sorted into
> categories based on originator or key words.

I use the filtering too. Some of it is for forwarding to my mobile phone 
(I have a separate account for that, and it keeps the volume down). Also 
automated DMARC test results, which are filed and then processed using a 
button linked to a shell script. I also use it for highlighting, as most 
unread mail is kept in my inbox until processed, with tags and colour 
coding rather than using folders. I also use it to archive all stuff on 
certain mailing lists.

I also use multiple outgoing (sender) accounts, although my mail server 
aliases most of those back to the same inbox.

And templates are good, too.



-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#15919

> > I use Sylpheed, which is what Claws is based on.
> > 
> > I use the filtering option heavily, so incoming mail is sorted into
> > categories based on originator or key words.
> 
> I use the filtering too. Some of it is for forwarding to my mobile phone 
> (I have a separate account for that, and it keeps the volume down). Also 
> automated DMARC test results, which are filed and then processed using a 
> button linked to a shell script. I also use it for highlighting, as most 
> unread mail is kept in my inbox until processed, with tags and colour 
> coding rather than using folders. I also use it to archive all stuff on 
> certain mailing lists.
> 
> I also use multiple outgoing (sender) accounts, although my mail server 
> aliases most of those back to the same inbox.
> 
> And templates are good, too.


I love mutt.  In fact mutt was one of the things that sold me on Linux
as a desktop OS, believe it or not (there were other things too, but
mutt was like magic for me).  I also use Sylpheed and Claws
semi-regularly (and to be honest, can barely discern a difference
between them).  

I have fewer than a dozen emails in my inbox, but lots of stuff gets
shunted over to "Archive" upon reading/acting, where it languishes
until filed, purged, or whatever.  About twice a year I go through it
and weed out the crap, file the attachments, etc.

I'm generally amazed by how many people bitch about their inboxes but
(a) sign up for every stupid commercial newsletter available when
prompted, and (b) don't know how to create rules to file stuff into
other places.  I'm on several newsletters and get regular mail from
some companies and NGOs I work with, but 100% of gets filed elsewhere,
and I read it once a week or fortnightly at best (on MY terms).

If you visit the Slashdot thread, you'll be surprised how many people
still use Eudora, the Bat, and Pegasus mail on Windows.  I was
astonished!  Several mentions of Pine as well.

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#15923

Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2018 09:32:49 -0400, Nyssa wrote:
>
>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 07:55:06 +0000, Huge wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-05-15, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>>>>> With Google recently rolling out a big revamp of Gmail to mixed
>>>>>> reviews, we would like to know which email client you prefer.
>>>>>
>>>>> mutt
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you a firm believe in the "inbox zero" idea
>>>>>
>>>>> With 17,523 emails (currently) in my 'inbox', I guess I'm not a firm
>>>>> believer of the "inbox zero" idea.
>>>>
>>>> You're a sick, sick man. As soon as there's more than a screenful of
>>>> emails, I file them.
>>>>
>>>> My wife's like you, except she never files anything. Looking at her
>>>> email makes me itchy.
>>>
>>> I use Claws Mail. It is rare that my inbox occupies the whole window; I
>>> deal with them, and then delete or file them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I use Sylpheed, which is what Claws is based on.
>>
>> I use the filtering option heavily, so incoming mail is sorted into
>> categories based on originator or key words.
>
> I use the filtering too. Some of it is for forwarding to my mobile phone
> (I have a separate account for that, and it keeps the volume down). Also
> automated DMARC test results, which are filed and then processed using a
> button linked to a shell script. I also use it for highlighting, as most
> unread mail is kept in my inbox until processed, with tags and colour
> coding rather than using folders. I also use it to archive all stuff on
> certain mailing lists.

procmail routes my email to the appropriate newsgroup, where tin's
typically used to read it, if the spirit moves me. A crontab job
auto-archives usenet articles after a couple of weeks.

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#15913

Huge wrote:

> Rich wrote:
>
>> With 17,523 emails (currently) in my 'inbox', I guess I'm not a firm
>> believer of the "inbox zero" idea.
> 
> You're a sick, sick man. As soon as there's more than a screenful of emails, I file them.

19,363 emails from  the past 9 years in my home laptop's inbox, I just 
filter to "unread only" most of the time.  My work laptop sees a higher 
throughput of messages, I generally archive the inbox and sent items to 
a folder per year.

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#15911

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:

> From the «mutt or die» department:

That's a department where I belong. Mutt's pattern-based tagging is
perfect for quickly moving lots of mail and keeping a tidy inbox.

At least for the mail that hasn't already been filed away by procmail
upon receipt.

-- 
Dario Niedermann.                 Also on the Internet at:

gopher://darioniedermann.it/  <>  https://www.darioniedermann.it/

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#15912

RS Wood wrote:

> Title: Slashdot Asks: Which Is Your Favorite Email Client?
> Link: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/SN4HGZBIO0w/slashdot-asks-which-is-your-favorite-email-client

I didn't see the "Cowboy Neal reads my email for me" option ...

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#15914

Op 15-05-18 om 04:04 schreef RS Wood:
> With Google recently rolling out a big revamp of Gmail to mixed reviews, we
> would like to know which email client you prefer

I'm just waiting for an idiot to answer "Facebook".

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#15916

Dirk T. Verbeek <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Op 15-05-18 om 04:04 schreef RS Wood:
>> With Google recently rolling out a big revamp of Gmail to mixed reviews, we
>> would like to know which email client you prefer
> 
> I'm just waiting for an idiot to answer "Facebook".

The good thing about Usenet is that the barrier to entry is high enough
that those that would answer "Facebook" to this question likely do not
know Usenet exists, nor how to get access to it.

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