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  [Link Posting] We must revive Gopherspace Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-02-16 17:27 +0000
    Re: [Link Posting] We must revive Gopherspace J <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-02-16 23:46 +0000
      Re: [Link Posting] We must revive Gopherspace Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-02-17 08:49 +0000
      Re: [Link Posting] We must revive Gopherspace not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-02-17 22:05 +0000

#17466 — [Link Posting] We must revive Gopherspace

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<URL:https://box.matto.nl/revivegopher.html>

The text below is a quotation from the URL above:
>
>  Both the world of html and the world of Gopher orginate from the same
>  era. The world wide web of html has become huge. Gopherspace not. The
>  web has changed
>
>  Although the world wide web is a huge success, it also has turned into
>  an area of great concern. Every step you take on the web, every site you
>  visit, every page you view, is used to create and enhance a profile
>  about you. Everything you do is carefully tracked and monitored.
>  Surveillance marketing is evil.
>
>  Google, who once started with the core value of "do no evil" has become
>  one of the most privacy invading organisations, just like Facebook and
>  some others.
>
>  Webpages once started as just text, and later got also images. Today, a
>  webpage consists of a number of javascript files. a lot of links to
>  surveillance marketeers, links to Facebook Twitter, Google, Instagram
>  and so on, and than some content in a html file.
>
>  Many websites and many webpages do not exist to give you information,
>  but to sell you advertisements, to lure you to commerial webpages or to
>  sell your private information to a surveillance marketing to build your
>  profile. Gopherspace is not evil
>
>  Maybe Gopher's weakness proves the be its biggest strength.
>
>  Gopher is a much feature-less protocol than html. This is probably why
>  it lost the race from html. But this not only makes Gopher flying fast,
>  it also protects you from all those evil properties of the world wide
>  web. Trackers have no change in Gopherspace.
>
>  Surveillance marketing can not thrive in Gopherspace.
>
>  ...

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#17469

>>  Surveillance marketing can not thrive in Gopherspace.

As much as I like gopher I must say that you would still need an IP
anonimizer that would change the IP addres every minute, ideally once
per document request.

Eliminating cookies and browser profiles is not enough.  The analytic
tools (from Google and others) are now clever enough to know who you
are just by looking at the IP from which you are accessing the
internet.

When you begin with a new IP and you visit a pair of Youtube
channels with few viewers, the anonimity is lost.  At that point they
have enough information to guess who is on that IP address.  So the
best is a different IP address for each document request.

With 56kbps modems, just hanging up and dialing again you got a
different IP.  Most ISPs nowadays, when you reset the DSL modem,
continue giving you the same IP again and again.

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In comp.misc, J  <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> As much as I like gopher I must say that you would still need an IP
> anonimizer that would change the IP addres every minute, ideally once
> per document request.

Or share your IP with a bunch of people.

:r! who | wc 
      91     451    4147

That's 91 current logins on this shared Unix shell host.

Elijah
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and lynx is installed to go gophering

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#17473

J <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>  Surveillance marketing can not thrive in Gopherspace.
> 
> As much as I like gopher I must say that you would still need an IP
> anonimizer that would change the IP addres every minute, ideally once
> per document request.
>
> Eliminating cookies and browser profiles is not enough.  The analytic
> tools (from Google and others) are now clever enough to know who you
> are just by looking at the IP from which you are accessing the
> internet.

At least without cookies and scripts that makes Gopher fully usable
without tracking. Of course it's perfectly possible to make a
website without all of that as well, Gopher just forces you into it.

> When you begin with a new IP and you visit a pair of Youtube
> channels with few viewers, the anonimity is lost.  At that point they
> have enough information to guess who is on that IP address.  So the
> best is a different IP address for each document request.
> 
> With 56kbps modems, just hanging up and dialing again you got a
> different IP.  Most ISPs nowadays, when you reset the DSL modem,
> continue giving you the same IP again and again.

I use mobile broadband and get a new IP address every time the modem
is reset or automatically disconnects after a short while of
inactivity - handy when a website decides to block my IP for some
reason. That said, my particular ISP/telco does hand out rather
distinctive IP addresses (1.*), which combined with User-Agent fields
saying "Dillo/[version]" probably make my browsing fairly distinctive
to any non-automated tracking (certainly I can spot myself in logs).
I choose to keep the unusual User-Agent because I hope that web
developers might just spot it and say: "hey look someone's trying to
use this web browser that our site works really badly with, let's try
to improve compatibility with it". Yeah I know, dream on.

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