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  Windows 10 RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-09-30 21:42 +0000
    Re: Windows 10 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-10-01 00:22 +0200
    Re: Windows 10 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-10-01 10:56 +1000
    Re: Windows 10 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-10-01 01:05 +0000
      Re: Windows 10 gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-10-01 15:14 +0000
        Re: Windows 10 Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-10-01 17:26 +0100
          Re: Windows 10 Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2014-10-02 11:29 +0100
            Re: Windows 10 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-10-02 10:53 +0000
              Re: Windows 10 Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2014-10-02 13:17 +0100
                Re: Windows 10 Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-10-02 16:23 +0300
                Re: Windows 10 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-10-03 01:08 +0000
              Re: Windows 10 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-10-02 12:28 -0300
                Re: Windows 10 scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-10-02 15:35 +0000
                  Re: Windows 10 Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-10-02 17:36 +0100
                    Re: Windows 10 Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-10-02 17:55 +0100
                  Re: Windows 10 RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-10-02 20:05 +0000
                    Re: Windows 10 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-10-03 03:50 -0300
                  Re: Windows 10 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-10-03 10:29 +0200
                Re: Windows 10 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-10-03 01:11 +0000
              Re: Windows 10 Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-10-12 00:40 +0100
            Re: Windows 10 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-10-02 11:13 +0000
              Re: Windows 10 Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2014-10-02 13:10 +0100
              Re: Windows 10 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-10-03 01:13 +0000
          Re: Windows 10 gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-10-02 14:54 +0000
      Re: Windows 10 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-10-01 11:58 -0400
        Re: Windows 10 RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-10-01 20:14 +0000
          Re: Windows 10 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-10-01 18:14 -0400
    Re: Windows 10 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-10-01 22:57 +0200

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#5205

On 2014-10-02, Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
> Hils wrote:
>
>> In my XP-using days I used this GPL'ed software, which worked very well:
>>
>> http://virtuawin.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> But now a happy Gnome workspace user. :-)
>
> I must be a change-hating old Hector ...
>
> I've use windows from Win2.x days to WinXP, skipped Vista, liked Win7, 
> also used DECwindows, X with Gnome etc over the years, sure they had 
> differences, but generally with time everything improved, and if you 
> could use on, you could use another, I never felt like a fish out of 
> water ... until recently.
>
> With win8 I just *had* to have Start8 to make it usable.  I recently 
> installed a Gnome 3.12 distro, no more minimize icons as here's nowhere 
> to minimize *to*, what?  The activities corner only pops-up half a dozen 
> or so items, beyond that I have to type the name of what I want, why 
> even call it a GUI?  The "explorer" (is it still Nautilus?) doesn't let 
> me see my actual folders, just friendly names like My this, My That, My 
> The other for some of them.
>
> It really does seem that every "modern" desktop is anti-productive.

Couldn't agree more. I've not "upgraded" from Ubuntu 10.04LTS for this very
reason, and am presently looking round for a "traditional desktop
metaphor" distro to upgrade to. Mint, probably.


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#5206

Huge wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> It really does seem that every "modern" desktop is anti-productive.
>
> Couldn't agree more. I've not "upgraded" from Ubuntu 10.04LTS for this very
> reason, and am presently looking round for a "traditional desktop
> metaphor" distro to upgrade to. Mint, probably.

Yeah on another Fedora box, I use LXDE which is sufficiently 
gnome2-like, especially considering it boots into a full-screen TV 
interface, LXDE is just used for the odd bit of tweaking.  On a new 
centOS7 box it does have gnome3, but is far enough behind the curve to 
still have a task bar and a start menu.

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#5217

Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2014-10-02, Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hils wrote:
> >
> >> In my XP-using days I used this GPL'ed software, which worked very well:
> >>
> >> http://virtuawin.sourceforge.net/
> >>
> >> But now a happy Gnome workspace user. :-)
> >
> > I must be a change-hating old Hector ...
> >
> > I've use windows from Win2.x days to WinXP, skipped Vista, liked Win7, 
> > also used DECwindows, X with Gnome etc over the years, sure they had 
> > differences, but generally with time everything improved, and if you 
> > could use on, you could use another, I never felt like a fish out of 
> > water ... until recently.
> >
> > With win8 I just *had* to have Start8 to make it usable.  I recently 
> > installed a Gnome 3.12 distro, no more minimize icons as here's nowhere 
> > to minimize *to*, what?  The activities corner only pops-up half a dozen 
> > or so items, beyond that I have to type the name of what I want, why 
> > even call it a GUI?  The "explorer" (is it still Nautilus?) doesn't let 
> > me see my actual folders, just friendly names like My this, My That, My 
> > The other for some of them.
> >
> > It really does seem that every "modern" desktop is anti-productive.

> Couldn't agree more. I've not "upgraded" from Ubuntu 10.04LTS for this very
> reason, and am presently looking round for a "traditional desktop
> metaphor" distro to upgrade to. Mint, probably.

Slackware 14.1 with Fvwm2???

Or, you have the option of Xfce as well on Slackware 14.1.

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#5209

In article <m0h9ut$a4i$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
Hils  <hils@saynotospam.net> wrote:
>On 2014-10-01 16:14, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> In article <m0fk06$646$1@dont-email.me>, Rich  <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>> ... There's a new, multiple-desktop feature, which power users have
>>>> been demanding for years,
>> 
>> Indeed.  Windows has had the API support for multi-desktops since at least
>> XP.  But you need to write (or buy) a program to utilize the API.
>
>In my XP-using days I used this GPL'ed software, which worked very well:
>
>http://virtuawin.sourceforge.net/

I wrote my own.

>But now a happy Gnome workspace user. :-)

My sympathies.

-- 
A Catholic woman tells her husband to buy Viagra.

A Jewish woman tells her husband to buy Pfizer.

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#5196

Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:

>> ... There's a new, multiple-desktop feature, which power users have
>> been demanding for years,
>
> Hmmm... TVTWM circa. 1993-1994, check. (On a SunOS box over 10MB
> thinnet to an actual X terminal.)
>
> Fvwm1, circa. 1995-199? , check. (On the same SunOS box, later on
> Linux.)
>
> FFvwm2, circa. 199[6-9] to present, check.
>
> Nothing new, provided one does not have one's head so far up MS's ass
> that one can't breathe nor see.
>
>> and also a feature that lets users easily grab objects from one
>> desktop and transfer it to another. ...
>
> Hmm...  FvwmPager (shipped with Fvwm2, and I think the functionality
> was in Fvwm1's pager as well):
>
>        ... Dragging mouse button 2 on a miniature view of a window will
>        cause that window to be move to the location where you release
>        the mouse button, but your viewport will not change. __If you drag
>        the window out of the pager and onto your desktop, a full size
>        image of the window will appear for you to place.__ ...
>
> Nothing at all new here either.

Yep, desktops and the pager have been in Fvwm (both versions)
for a very long time.
I find the easiest way to move windows to desks or pages is to
make the window sticky.  Once you've done that, the window is shown
on all pages/desks, so you simply move to the location you want to
drop the window and "unstick" it.

I'm a stickler for the window manager NOT putting things on the screen
I don't want.  So, I run without a visible pager or taskbar.  I just
use hot keys to get where I want.

I also designate certain windows to only start on a specific page.

We'll see how much of this technology gets into windows.
I somehow doubt they'll get all the necessary pieces.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#5198

On 2014-10-01, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
> Yep, desktops and the pager have been in Fvwm (both versions) for a
> very long time.  I find the easiest way to move windows to desks or
> pages is to make the window sticky.  Once you've done that, the window
> is shown on all pages/desks, so you simply move to the location you
> want to drop the window and "unstick" it.
>
> I'm a stickler for the window manager NOT putting things on the screen
> I don't want.  So, I run without a visible pager or taskbar.  I just
> use hot keys to get where I want.
>
> I also designate certain windows to only start on a specific page.
>
> We'll see how much of this technology gets into windows.  I somehow
> doubt they'll get all the necessary pieces.

I don't really give a toot how much makes it into Windows.  But I'd like
it on my BSD box.  Would you mind sharing your config?  Maybe post it
somewhere?  Do you do it all through fvwm2?

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#5202

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:

> On 2014-10-01, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Yep, desktops and the pager have been in Fvwm (both versions) for a
>> very long time.  I find the easiest way to move windows to desks or
>> pages is to make the window sticky.  Once you've done that, the window
>> is shown on all pages/desks, so you simply move to the location you
>> want to drop the window and "unstick" it.
>>
>> I'm a stickler for the window manager NOT putting things on the screen
>> I don't want.  So, I run without a visible pager or taskbar.  I just
>> use hot keys to get where I want.
>>
>> I also designate certain windows to only start on a specific page.
>>
>> We'll see how much of this technology gets into windows.  I somehow
>> doubt they'll get all the necessary pieces.
>
> I don't really give a toot how much makes it into Windows.  But I'd like
> it on my BSD box.  Would you mind sharing your config?  Maybe post it
> somewhere?  Do you do it all through fvwm2?

The config is pretty big and not all one piece.

To stick a window:

Assuming you have a "Window-Ops" menu, add this:

AddToMenu Window-Ops "%mini.stick.xpm%(Un)Stic&k" Stick

Of course you can bind that to anything,
including a new button on the window.

To confine a window on a page/desk use function "PageR":

DestroyFunc PageR
AddToFunc PageR I Style "$0" StartsOnPage $1 $2 $3, SkipMapping, RandomPlacement

This puts browsers one page down
and music players one down, one over:

#                desk/x/y
PageR Seamonkey-bin 0 0 1
PageR Netscape      0 0 1
PageR Mozilla*      0 0 1
PageR xmms          0 1 1
PageR Audacious*    0 1 1
PageR Ryhthmbox*    0 1 1
PageR Music*        0 1 1

-- 
Dan Espen

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#5201

Just seen on Twitter:

Microsoft dev here, the internal rumours are that early
testing revealed just how many third party products that
had code of the form

if(version.StartsWith("Windows 9"))
{/* 95 and 98 */
} else {

and that this was the pragmatic solution to avoid that.

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