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  Windows 10 RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-09-30 21:42 +0000
    Re: Windows 10 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-10-01 00:22 +0200
    Re: Windows 10 Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-10-01 10:56 +1000
    Re: Windows 10 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-10-01 01:05 +0000
      Re: Windows 10 gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-10-01 15:14 +0000
        Re: Windows 10 Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-10-01 17:26 +0100
          Re: Windows 10 Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2014-10-02 11:29 +0100
            Re: Windows 10 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-10-02 10:53 +0000
              Re: Windows 10 Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2014-10-02 13:17 +0100
                Re: Windows 10 Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-10-02 16:23 +0300
                Re: Windows 10 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-10-03 01:08 +0000
              Re: Windows 10 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-10-02 12:28 -0300
                Re: Windows 10 scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-10-02 15:35 +0000
                  Re: Windows 10 Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-10-02 17:36 +0100
                    Re: Windows 10 Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-10-02 17:55 +0100
                  Re: Windows 10 RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-10-02 20:05 +0000
                    Re: Windows 10 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-10-03 03:50 -0300
                  Re: Windows 10 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-10-03 10:29 +0200
                Re: Windows 10 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-10-03 01:11 +0000
              Re: Windows 10 Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-10-12 00:40 +0100
            Re: Windows 10 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-10-02 11:13 +0000
              Re: Windows 10 Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2014-10-02 13:10 +0100
              Re: Windows 10 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-10-03 01:13 +0000
          Re: Windows 10 gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-10-02 14:54 +0000
      Re: Windows 10 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-10-01 11:58 -0400
        Re: Windows 10 RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-10-01 20:14 +0000
          Re: Windows 10 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-10-01 18:14 -0400
    Re: Windows 10 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-10-01 22:57 +0200

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#5178 — Windows 10

From the «Waiting 'til it goes all the way to 11» department:
Title: Microsoft Announces Windows 10
Author: Soulskill
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:00:00 -0400
Link: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/pG0MRtjcJjg/story01.htm

Today at a press conference in San Francisco, Microsoft announced the new
version of their flagship operating system, called Windows 10. (Yes, t-e-n. I
don't know.) With the new version of the operating system, they'll be unifying
the application platform for all devices: desktops, laptops, tablets, and
phones. As early leaks showed, the Start Menu is back — it's a hybrid of old
and new, combining a list of applications with a small group of resizable tiles
that can include widgets. Metro-style apps can now each operate inside their
own window. There's a new, multiple-desktop feature, which power users have
been demanding for years, and also a feature that lets users easily grab
objects from one desktop and transfer it to another. The Technical Preview
builds for desktops and laptops will be available tomorrow through the Windows
Insider Program. They're requesting feedback from customers. Windows 10 will
launch in late 2015.

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#5179

On 2014-09-30, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> From the «Waiting 'til it goes all the way to 11» department:
> Title: Microsoft Announces Windows 10

At last Microsoft have listened to what we've been telling them for years,
that a decent CLI is essential.

"Windows 10 command prompt finally gets dragged into the 21st century"

<http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/windows-10-command-prompt-finally-gets-dragged-into-the-21st-century/>

"New experimental console features in Windows "Threshold" 

<http://withinrafael.com/new-experimental-console-features-in-windows-threshold/>

I like the look of this feature if it makes it into the final release:

"Filter clipboard contents on paste
Now when pasting text, fancy quotation marks are converted into their
straighter equivalents and stray tabs are removed."

-- 
I want toast. With cheese please Louise.

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#5181

On 1/10/2014 7:42 AM, RS Wood wrote:
>  From the «Waiting 'til it goes all the way to 11» department:
> Title: Microsoft Announces Windows 10
> Author: Soulskill
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:00:00 -0400
> Link: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/pG0MRtjcJjg/story01.htm
>
> Today at a press conference in San Francisco, Microsoft announced the new
> version of their flagship operating system, called Windows 10.

I'll be using Windows 7 until they stop supporting it.

Sylvia.

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#5182

> ... There's a new, multiple-desktop feature, which power users have
> been demanding for years,

Hmmm... TVTWM circa. 1993-1994, check. (On a SunOS box over 10MB
thinnet to an actual X terminal.)

Fvwm1, circa. 1995-199? , check. (On the same SunOS box, later on
Linux.)

FFvwm2, circa. 199[6-9] to present, check.

Nothing new, provided one does not have one's head so far up MS's ass
that one can't breathe nor see.

> and also a feature that lets users easily grab objects from one
> desktop and transfer it to another. ...

Hmm...  FvwmPager (shipped with Fvwm2, and I think the functionality
was in Fvwm1's pager as well):

       ... Dragging mouse button 2 on a miniature view of a window will
       cause that window to be move to the location where you release
       the mouse button, but your viewport will not change. __If you drag
       the window out of the pager and onto your desktop, a full size
       image of the window will appear for you to place.__ ...

Nothing at all new here either.


Microsoft: (n)
  1) bringing you 20 year old technology, tomorrow, maybe.

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#5194

In article <m0fk06$646$1@dont-email.me>, Rich  <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>> ... There's a new, multiple-desktop feature, which power users have
>> been demanding for years,

Indeed.  Windows has had the API support for multi-desktops since at least
XP.  But you need to write (or buy) a program to utilize the API.

I assume that by claiming that it is new, new, new, now, what they mean is
that they are finally shipping an executable (with the base OS) that
accesses the API.

As others have said, too little, too late.

-- 
"Unattended children will be given an espresso and a free kitten."

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#5197

On 2014-10-01 16:14, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <m0fk06$646$1@dont-email.me>, Rich  <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>> ... There's a new, multiple-desktop feature, which power users have
>>> been demanding for years,
> 
> Indeed.  Windows has had the API support for multi-desktops since at least
> XP.  But you need to write (or buy) a program to utilize the API.

In my XP-using days I used this GPL'ed software, which worked very well:

http://virtuawin.sourceforge.net/

But now a happy Gnome workspace user. :-)

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#5203

Hils wrote:

> In my XP-using days I used this GPL'ed software, which worked very well:
>
> http://virtuawin.sourceforge.net/
>
> But now a happy Gnome workspace user. :-)

I must be a change-hating old Hector ...

I've use windows from Win2.x days to WinXP, skipped Vista, liked Win7, 
also used DECwindows, X with Gnome etc over the years, sure they had 
differences, but generally with time everything improved, and if you 
could use on, you could use another, I never felt like a fish out of 
water ... until recently.

With win8 I just *had* to have Start8 to make it usable.  I recently 
installed a Gnome 3.12 distro, no more minimize icons as here's nowhere 
to minimize *to*, what?  The activities corner only pops-up half a dozen 
or so items, beyond that I have to type the name of what I want, why 
even call it a GUI?  The "explorer" (is it still Nautilus?) doesn't let 
me see my actual folders, just friendly names like My this, My That, My 
The other for some of them.

It really does seem that every "modern" desktop is anti-productive.

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#5204

Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
> Hils wrote:

> > In my XP-using days I used this GPL'ed software, which worked very well:
> >
> > http://virtuawin.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > But now a happy Gnome workspace user. :-)

> ... I recently installed a Gnome 3.12 distro, no more minimize icons
> as here's nowhere to minimize *to*, what?  The activities corner only
> pops-up half a dozen or so items, beyond that I have to type the name
> of what I want, why even call it a GUI?  The "explorer" (is it still
> Nautilus?) doesn't let me see my actual folders, just friendly names
> like My this, My That, My The other for some of them.

> It really does seem that every "modern" desktop is anti-productive.

Gnome is well known as the posterchild of the "you are a complete moron
and an idiot, so we can't let you do that, because you might hurt
yourself" line of thought.

Just don't use Gnome.  For that matter, don't use any "desktop
environment".  Just load a window manager of your choice (Fvwm2, etc.)
and go.

With a configurable window manager (i.e., Fvwm2 or others like it) you
can decide exactly what you want, configure it, and you've got it.  You
want a minimize button, add one.  You want a button to "shrink" to 1/4
screen size, and position 25 pixels from the left and 35 pixels from
the bottom, add one.

You want shift + middle click on the right edge of the window border of
any window to launch your newsreader, add the function and you have it.

You want double click on the bottom left corner of terminal windows to
resize the terminal to 80x50, add the function.

The possibilities are endless, and guess what, they don't go away with
each "upgrade" that comes along.

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#5207

Rich wrote:

> Gnome is well known as the posterchild of the "you are a complete moron
> and an idiot, so we can't let you do that, because you might hurt
> yourself" line of thought.

Granted some of the very early dialogs that exposed every bell and 
whistle were UI madness, but what's wrong with hiding the "scary" stuff 
behind an advanced button?  I'd even be happy for a secret shibboleet 
keystroke available on any dialog instead of a visible button).

But now, as you say, they've just removed 90% of all customisation, and 
the party line is "for your own good".

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#5208

Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk>:

> Rich wrote:
>> Gnome is well known as the posterchild of the "you are a complete moron
>> and an idiot, so we can't let you do that, because you might hurt
>> yourself" line of thought.
>
> Granted some of the very early dialogs that exposed every bell and
> whistle were UI madness, but what's wrong with hiding the "scary"
> stuff behind an advanced button? I'd even be happy for a secret
> shibboleet keystroke available on any dialog instead of a visible
> button).

I'm perfectly fine with the Gnome changes -- I just don't use Gnome. The
Gnome developers have a right to implement their vision, and it must be
perfect for some people. Myself, I find LXDE close to the sweet spot.


Marko

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#5215

Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
> Rich wrote:

> > Gnome is well known as the posterchild of the "you are a complete moron
> > and an idiot, so we can't let you do that, because you might hurt
> > yourself" line of thought.

> Granted some of the very early dialogs that exposed every bell and 
> whistle were UI madness, but what's wrong with hiding the "scary" stuff 
> behind an advanced button?  I'd even be happy for a secret shibboleet 
> keystroke available on any dialog instead of a visible button).

Hiding "scary" stuff, not necessarially wrong, provided there is, as
you say, a "secret" button/key to bring up the scary stuff when it is
needed.

Hiding the "minimize" button....  Just what is scary about the minimize
button?

> But now, as you say, they've just removed 90% of all customisation,
> and the party line is "for your own good".

Yep.  So, "just say NO to gnome".

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#5210

Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:

> Gnome is well known as the posterchild of the "you are a complete moron
> and an idiot, so we can't let you do that, because you might hurt
> yourself" line of thought.
> 
> Just don't use Gnome.  For that matter, don't use any "desktop
> environment".  Just load a window manager of your choice (Fvwm2, etc.)
> and go.

Been doing that for years, using twm.

> With a configurable window manager (i.e., Fvwm2 or others like it) you
> can decide exactly what you want, configure it, and you've got it.

Unless a program itself intervenes in YAaCMaaISWCLYDT mode.

Just installed Slackware 14.1 on a laptop intended for wi-fi use:

   + xterm(1) now iconifies to great fat icons with a logo.  Totally
     screws up my non-"desktop" desktop layout.  Can that be changed
     without beating up the source and patching out the relevant code?
     As it is, I've reverted to an older version of xterm.

   + Networkmanager(8) won't run unless you have a "taskbar".  twm(1)
     doesn't have a taskbar.  I'm happy with wicd(8) (which will run
     in curses mode without a taskbar).  But I'm annoyed and
     anticipate similar constraints in other apps in the future.  

NOTE TO DEVS: don't make taskbar mandatory, see YAaCMaaISWCLYDT,
supra. And don't hard-code big fat icon graphics just to compete for
visual real estate on the desktop.


-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#5211

In article <87vbo2ebjp.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>,
Mike Spencer  <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>YAaCMaaISWCLYDT

??? 

Google doesn't have a clue what this means.  Neither does DuckDuckGo.  I
even tried throwing it at Bing...no dice.  For completeness, I tried Urban
Dictionary...still nothing.

  _/_
 / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
(IIGS( http://alfter.us/            Top-posting!
 \_^_/                              >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

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#5212

scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) writes:
> Mike Spencer  <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>YAaCMaaISWCLYDT
>
> ??? 
>
> Google doesn't have a clue what this means.  Neither does DuckDuckGo.  I
> even tried throwing it at Bing...no dice.  For completeness, I tried Urban
> Dictionary...still nothing.

First quoted para in Mike’s post.

-- 
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#5213

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 17:36:57 +0100, Richard Kettlewell
<rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) writes:
>> Mike Spencer  <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>YAaCMaaISWCLYDT
>>
>> ??? 
>>
>> Google doesn't have a clue what this means.  Neither does DuckDuckGo.  I
>> even tried throwing it at Bing...no dice.  For completeness, I tried Urban
>> Dictionary...still nothing.
>
>First quoted para in Mike’s post.

 I was puzzled too. I guess it might have been a little more obvious
if he'd not use the Latin for 'above'. :-)

 I mean, it's bad enough with FLAs like YAST or YAPP (Yet Another
System Tool or Yet Another Packet Program) but 15 letter acronyms
(TANSTAAFL is long enough, thank you very much!)?
-- 
J B Good

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#5214

On 2014-10-02, Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
> In article <87vbo2ebjp.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>,
> Mike Spencer  <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>YAaCMaaISWCLYDT
>
> ??? 
>
> Google doesn't have a clue what this means.  Neither does DuckDuckGo.  I
> even tried throwing it at Bing...no dice.  For completeness, I tried Urban
> Dictionary...still nothing.
>

It stands for "You are a complete moron and an idiot so ..." as written
in the parent post.

How awesome would it have been if Bing had been able to decipher it?
Alas.

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#5218

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:

> On 2014-10-02, Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
>> In article <87vbo2ebjp.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>,
>> Mike Spencer  <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>>>YAaCMaaISWCLYDT
>>
>> ??? 
>>
>> Google doesn't have a clue what this means.  Neither does DuckDuckGo.  I
>> even tried throwing it at Bing...no dice.  For completeness, I tried Urban
>> Dictionary...still nothing.
>>
> 
> It stands for "You are a complete moron and an idiot so ..." as written
> in the parent post.

Thank you, RS.  For future reference, be alert for LWatCDR appended to
anything that looks like a promise or appointment.

    Lord Willin' an' the Crick Don't Rise

> How awesome would it have been if Bing had been able to decipher it?

Very. Problem with natural language: how deep is context dependence?


-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#5219

On 2014-10-02, Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
> In article <87vbo2ebjp.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>,
> Mike Spencer  <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>YAaCMaaISWCLYDT
>
> ??? 
>
> Google doesn't have a clue what this means.  Neither does DuckDuckGo.  I
> even tried throwing it at Bing...no dice.  For completeness, I tried Urban
> Dictionary...still nothing.
>

I just tried adding it to Urban Dictionary but got this back:

"Oops!
Something went wrong. If you found a bug, please let us know by filling
out this form!"

There is no form. :-(

Perhaps one needs to create an account and login to add new phrases, but
when I entered "YAaCMaaISWCLYDT" it prompted me for a meaning, which I 
gave, and barfed when I clicked on the Continue button.

I seem to have a knack of breaking stuff by doing the obvious, perhaps I
should become a tester.

-- 
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop
playing"                                         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#5216

Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:

> > Gnome is well known as the posterchild of the "you are a complete moron
> > and an idiot, so we can't let you do that, because you might hurt
> > yourself" line of thought.
> > 
> > Just don't use Gnome.  For that matter, don't use any "desktop
> > environment".  Just load a window manager of your choice (Fvwm2, etc.)
> > and go.

> Been doing that for years, using twm.

> > With a configurable window manager (i.e., Fvwm2 or others like it) you
> > can decide exactly what you want, configure it, and you've got it.

> Unless a program itself intervenes in YAaCMaaISWCLYDT mode.

> Just installed Slackware 14.1 on a laptop intended for wi-fi use:

>    + xterm(1) now iconifies to great fat icons with a logo.  Totally
>      screws up my non-"desktop" desktop layout.  Can that be changed
>      without beating up the source and patching out the relevant code?
>      As it is, I've reverted to an older version of xterm.

No idea with Twm.  I run Fvwm, and on my Slack 14.1 system, I've just
got all icons turned off, so when I iconify something, no icon appears
anywhere.  I use Fvwm's build in window list to get back the
"iconified" items.

>    + Networkmanager(8) won't run unless you have a "taskbar".  twm(1)
>      doesn't have a taskbar.  I'm happy with wicd(8) (which will run
>      in curses mode without a taskbar).  But I'm annoyed and
>      anticipate similar constraints in other apps in the future.  

Also no idea.  Don't use networkmanager, so don't know why it needs a
"taskbar".

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#5303

On 2014-10-02 11:53, Rich wrote:
> Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hils wrote:
>>> But now a happy Gnome workspace user. :-)
> 
>> ... I recently installed a Gnome 3.12 distro, no more minimize icons
>> as here's nowhere to minimize *to*, what?  The activities corner only
>> pops-up half a dozen or so items, beyond that I have to type the name
>> of what I want, why even call it a GUI?  The "explorer" (is it still
>> Nautilus?) doesn't let me see my actual folders, just friendly names
>> like My this, My That, My The other for some of them.
> 
>> It really does seem that every "modern" desktop is anti-productive.
> 
> Gnome is well known as the posterchild of the "you are a complete moron
> and an idiot, so we can't let you do that, because you might hurt
> yourself" line of thought.
> 
> Just don't use Gnome.  For that matter, don't use any "desktop
> environment".  Just load a window manager of your choice (Fvwm2, etc.)
> and go.

I should perhaps have made clear that I use Gnome *classic*. I can't
abide Gnome 3 either, it's an abomination. ("Abomination" as declaimed
by Bill Nighy in Underworld.)

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