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  Welcome Slashdot refugees! Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-06 22:38 -0800
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! xyzzy <stalkers-suck@grr.la> - 2014-02-07 00:16 -0800
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! "I'm Batman, Dammit" <batman@thecave.invalid> - 2014-02-07 09:44 +0000
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lance Orner <lance@orner.invalid.net> - 2014-02-09 03:39 +0000
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-08 22:46 -0500
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-09 23:14 +0000
            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lance Orner <lance@orner.invalid.net> - 2014-02-10 01:55 +0000
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-09 21:12 -0500
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-09 18:28 -0800
                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-09 23:35 -0500
                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 12:39 +0000
                    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lance Orner <lance@orner.invalid.net> - 2014-02-11 04:05 +0000
                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 09:25 -0500
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 00:11 -0500
                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-02-26 22:20 +0000
                    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-02 23:40 -0500
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-20 17:14 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-05 10:05 +0000
            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 00:03 -0500
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! John Brownalt <deconfliction@filteredperception.org> - 2014-02-07 10:47 +0000
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! CoolHand <coolhnd28@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 21:40 -0500
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! JJ <jjdane@nospamgmail.com> - 2014-02-08 08:51 +0100
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Austin Wolfe <aewolfe@sdf.lonestar.org> - 2014-03-05 01:58 +0000
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-05 09:37 +0000
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2014-03-05 14:25 +0100
            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-03-05 07:02 -0800
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-06 10:55 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rswood@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-06 12:09 +0000
                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-03-06 14:13 +0100
                    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-06 16:56 +0000
                      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-06 17:05 +0000
                        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 14:39 +0100
                          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-16 17:25 +0000
                            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-19 22:47 +0100
                          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> - 2014-03-17 08:20 +0000
                            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-19 22:55 +0100
                      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-03-06 21:18 +0100
                        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-06 23:00 +0000
                          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-03-07 00:53 +0100
                            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-07 04:58 +0000
                            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-07 10:11 +0000
                              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-03-07 21:04 +0100
                            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-07 10:52 +0000
                              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-03-07 13:02 +0200
                                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-07 12:26 +0000
                                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-07 15:15 +0000
                                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-07 20:55 +0000
                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2014-03-06 14:03 +0000
                    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-06 17:55 +0000
                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-06 13:43 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2014-03-06 10:48 -0800
                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-06 19:45 +0000
                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-03-06 13:15 -0800
                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-03-10 20:25 +0000
                    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2014-03-10 14:07 -0700
                      Usenet Archive (was. Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees!) Christian <chris_news@arcor.de> - 2014-03-22 09:40 +0100
                        Re: Usenet Archive (was. Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees!) "voyager529" <voyager529@live.com> - 2015-03-27 10:14 -0400
                    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-10 21:55 +0000
                    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-10 22:25 +0000
                      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-03-11 06:14 +0000
                        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-11 07:55 +0000
                          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-03-11 08:38 +0000
                            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-12 08:08 +0000
                          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-11 10:31 +0000
                    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-10 22:26 +0000
                      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Dario Niedermann <dnied@tiscali.it> - 2014-03-11 10:42 +0100
                    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-03-10 22:05 -0700
                    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Chris Elvidge <chris@raspberrypi.mshome.net> - 2014-03-11 10:48 +0000
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-03-05 09:48 -0500
            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-05 15:22 +0000
            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! nobody@nowhere.invalid (natp) - 2014-03-06 02:42 +0000
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-03-06 06:08 -0600
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-03-06 14:10 +0200
                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-06 13:26 +0000
                    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-03-06 16:56 +0200
                    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-03-06 18:25 +0200
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-07 11:55 -0500
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-07 19:30 +0000
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lance Orner <lance@orner.invalid.net> - 2014-02-09 03:35 +0000
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 12:37 +0000
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-25 23:50 -0500
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 14:23 -0800
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-08 00:15 +0000
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 16:41 -0800
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-08 10:09 -0500
            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-08 15:44 +0000
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Brian Burns <spamcan@tannasg.tk> - 2014-02-08 17:18 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-08 18:34 +0000
                  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-08 19:52 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 10:25 -0500
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 03:20 +0000
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 09:36 -0800
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! junkmailid1@gmail.com - 2014-02-09 13:27 -0800
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! invis <invis@invis.net> - 2014-02-10 00:31 +0000
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! AnonymousCoward <florian.doyon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 04:50 -0800
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! gm_stack <gm@stackunderflow.com> - 2014-02-10 05:04 -0800
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! arcfide@sacrideo.us (Aaron W. Hsu) - 2014-02-23 03:02 -0500
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-02-23 09:34 +0000
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-02-23 07:31 -0800
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-02-23 17:36 +0000
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-02-23 12:23 +0200
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-02-26 17:30 +0000

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#942

On Sun, 9 Feb 2014, Lance Orner wrote:

> On 2014-02-07, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-02-07, 2phar <none@example.com> wrote:
>> Plus, if you shell out the $10/year to a well-run NSP that runs
>> cleanfeed and bleachbot/etc. it's relatively spam free.  Other
>> advantages:
>
> Wait, I didn't know that was a thing.  I've paid money off and on to
> Easynews, and I've kept my backup account at Eternal September just
> because, but I didn't know there were active ways to clean all the
> spam up besides personal kill files.  That's cool!
>
Any good ISP in the old days would keep out most of the spam.  Any ISP 
that still carries the newsgroups is likely to keep out the spam.

I might point out that some of those for profit news providers exist 
because there is demand for the binary newsgroups, all that illegal file 
sharing.  A bloat on Usenet (and by some, the reason some ISPs started 
dropping Usenet), if people come for the binaries then they aren't likely 
here for the discussion.

Binary newsgroups made sense in the early days, when the messages were 
passed over phone lines and those with access to Usenet might not have 
access to other things online, so having binary newsgroups meant a method 
of distributing the software needed for Usenet.

But once the internet became accessible/popular just about anyone with 
access to usenet had access to a webpage or an ftp site, or whatever. 
That's the efficient way to pass large files, only when needed.  Put a 
binary file into usenet, and every site that carries that newsgroup has to 
allocate space for that message, and every site that carries the newsgroup 
has to actually retrieve the message.  If nobody is making use of that 
binary file, then it's all a waste.  If it's on some server and grabbed as 
needed, the only traffic is when someone wanting it grabs it.

SO the binary newsgroups are wasteful, and help to give usenet a bad name.

   Michael

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#86

I think if people work at it (thanks to xyzzy so far) we can have a 
more useful 'News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters' than anywhere else.

By the way, I was RocketRabbit but now I eviscerate animals and predict 
the future from their entrails, here in sunny Oregon.

Now to post a news item or two - I will try to post something original, 
and something interesting ripped from Slashdot, and if we do this 
together we can not only replicate the interesting topics here, but 
draw new faces too.

Spread the word!  I have been modded down and / or 'Funny' recently, 
but it's important that you all burn all that karma and tell people 
about comp.misc, Eternal September, and give them some news reader 
options and / or point them to 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.misc for ease of use.

Thanks and - FUCK BETA!

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#96

> Spread the word!  I have been modded down and / or 'Funny' recently, 
> but it's important that you all burn all that karma and tell people 
> about comp.misc, Eternal September, and give them some news reader 
> options and / or point them to 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.misc for ease of use.
>
> Thanks and - FUCK BETA!
>

Notice one voice conspicuously absent from the melee?  Commander Taco:
total silence.

Same goes for any mention of his new site/product.  No one on Slashdot
seems to be interested in any way, shape, or form in proposing it as a
substitue/replacement for Slashdot.  Too bad, Malda.  Your audience is
different now.

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#99

On 2014-02-08 00:15:13 +0000, RS Wood said:

> > Spread the word!  I have been modded down and / or 'Funny' recently,
>> but it's important that you all burn all that karma and tell people
>> about comp.misc, Eternal September, and give them some news reader
>> options and / or point them to
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.misc for ease of use.
>> 
>> Thanks and - FUCK BETA!
>> 
> 
> Notice one voice conspicuously absent from the melee?  Commander Taco:
> total silence.
> 
> Same goes for any mention of his new site/product.  No one on Slashdot
> seems to be interested in any way, shape, or form in proposing it as a
> substitue/replacement for Slashdot.  Too bad, Malda.  Your audience is
> different now.

This sums it up:  Slashdot's owners view the Slashdot readers as an 
audience.  Not a community.  In other words, the Slashdot audience 
should sit and just accept whatever they are shown, as if they are 
watching the TV.

Makes you wonder if Dice even knows what it purchased?

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#118

On Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:41:34 -0800, Oregonian Haruspex
<bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 2014-02-08 00:15:13 +0000, RS Wood said:
>
>> > Spread the word!  I have been modded down and / or 'Funny' recently,
>>> but it's important that you all burn all that karma and tell people
>>> about comp.misc, Eternal September, and give them some news reader
>>> options and / or point them to
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.misc for ease of use.
>>> 
>>> Thanks and - FUCK BETA!
>>> 
>> 
>> Notice one voice conspicuously absent from the melee?  Commander Taco:
>> total silence.
>> 
>> Same goes for any mention of his new site/product.  No one on Slashdot
>> seems to be interested in any way, shape, or form in proposing it as a
>> substitue/replacement for Slashdot.  Too bad, Malda.  Your audience is
>> different now.

Umm, Malda left Slashdot years ago. While he is welcome to express an
opinion, that is all it would be, since he bears no responsibilty for
the beta. He may not have even been aware how upset the community was
about the change or may be witholding comment in respect for friends
still working there (or to give them a chance to formulate a
reasonable reply). The audience has made their feelings quite clear;
there's no need for Malda to add fuel to the fire.

>This sums it up:  Slashdot's owners view the Slashdot readers as an 
>audience.  Not a community.  In other words, the Slashdot audience 
>should sit and just accept whatever they are shown, as if they are 
>watching the TV.

>Makes you wonder if Dice even knows what it purchased?

Quite possibly not.
Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnVeysllPDI

There is a difference between redesigning a "corporate" website and a
community website, and not all designers really understand that, even
when they have the best of intentions (whether Dice had "best
intentions" is debatable, but should not be entirely ruled out). Most
of Dice's sites are uni-directional; Dice (or its subsidiaries) feed
information to the users. They may not have understood how connected
the Slashdot community feels to the current design.

Still, we need to give Dice some time. As many of us probably know,
unlike individually owned websites,  corporations do not turn on a
dime. There's too much ego, politics and money involved. 

When Malda ran things, he could have made a comment after a few hours
and reverted in day. That doesn't happen in the corporate world.
/MEETINGS/ will be required. Legal, marketing and finance will need to
chime in. New plans will have to be drawn up and approved. And it all
has to be done without admitting they did anything wrong (because that
would devalue the company).

So I recommend patience. Keep some of the pressure on so they don't
think the problem has blown over, but at the same time don't expect an
immediate u-turn on Dice's part. I recommend polite emails sent to
feedback@slashdot.org (apparently people /do/ read those response).
Hopefully Dice will come up with a better explanation of their intent
within a week and a new plan or proposal before the end of February. 

After that, play it by ear. If they don't respond (or their response
is still more of the same canned corporatese like we got on February
6) then I think that will be a clear sign as to how Dice feels about
the community. But I hope by then they will recognize their mistake,
come to understand the importance and value of its current readership,
and begin to engage with them so that a suitable middle-ground can be
found between what Dice needs financially and what its audience wants
from Slashdot.

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#119

>>> Notice one voice conspicuously absent from the melee?  Commander Taco:
>>> total silence.
>>> 
>>> Same goes for any mention of his new site/product.  No one on Slashdot
>>> seems to be interested in any way, shape, or form in proposing it as a
>>> substitue/replacement for Slashdot.  Too bad, Malda.  Your audience is
>>> different now.
>
> Umm, Malda left Slashdot years ago. While he is welcome to express an
> opinion, that is all it would be, since he bears no responsibilty for
> the beta. He may not have even been aware how upset the community was
> about the change or may be witholding comment in respect for friends
> still working there (or to give them a chance to formulate a
> reasonable reply). The audience has made their feelings quite clear;
> there's no need for Malda to add fuel to the fire.

I guess I was thinking, it was his baby and he put a lot of heart and
soul into it, and probably has an opinion about so many angry/rabid
Slashdotters venting their spleens in the comment sections.

Maybe he agrees and his strategy is to stay away from the maelstrom.  Or
maybe he's signed some agreement not to participate in the forums
effective the day he departed.

Either way, I'm curious to know what he's thinking about it, or if he's
even aware.

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#120

On 08/02/14 15:44, RS Wood wrote:
>>>> Notice one voice conspicuously absent from the melee?
>>>> Commander Taco: total silence.
>>>> 
>>>> Same goes for any mention of his new site/product.  No one on
>>>> Slashdot seems to be interested in any way, shape, or form in
>>>> proposing it as a substitue/replacement for Slashdot.  Too
>>>> bad, Malda.  Your audience is different now.
>> 
>> Umm, Malda left Slashdot years ago. While he is welcome to
>> express an opinion, that is all it would be, since he bears no
>> responsibilty for the beta. He may not have even been aware how
>> upset the community was about the change or may be witholding
>> comment in respect for friends still working there (or to give
>> them a chance to formulate a reasonable reply). The audience has
>> made their feelings quite clear; there's no need for Malda to add
>> fuel to the fire.
> 
> I guess I was thinking, it was his baby and he put a lot of heart
> and soul into it, and probably has an opinion about so many
> angry/rabid Slashdotters venting their spleens in the comment
> sections.
> 
> Maybe he agrees and his strategy is to stay away from the
> maelstrom.  Or maybe he's signed some agreement not to participate
> in the forums effective the day he departed.
> 
> Either way, I'm curious to know what he's thinking about it, or if
> he's even aware.
> 
From the following page

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/07/slashdot-creator-on-redesign-backlash-every-slashdot-change-met-with-objections/

'Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda, the creator of Slashdot who left the site in
2011, wasn't surprised by the outrage. "Pretty much every Slashdot
change, big or small, as been met with some level of community
objection," he said in an e-mail. "When I originally added (totally
optional!) user accounts in 1998, the community freaked out that I was
asking them to even consider logging in!"..'


'..Malda also stresses that the current comment war doesn't
necessarily reflect the opinion of everyone who frequents Slashdot.
"It's easy to forget that the vocal population of a community driven
site like Slashdot might be the most important group, but they are
typically also the smallest class of users." The current caretakers of
Slashdot need to balance the needs of all users with their limited
engineering resources, Malda argues -- noting wryly, "It ain't easy." '
'
Ho Hum..

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#121

op 08-02-14 17:18 schreef Brian Burns:
> On 08/02/14 15:44, RS Wood wrote:
>>>>> Notice one voice conspicuously absent from the melee?
>>>>> Commander Taco: total silence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Same goes for any mention of his new site/product.  No one on
>>>>> Slashdot seems to be interested in any way, shape, or form in
>>>>> proposing it as a substitue/replacement for Slashdot.  Too
>>>>> bad, Malda.  Your audience is different now.
>>>
>>> Umm, Malda left Slashdot years ago. While he is welcome to
>>> express an opinion, that is all it would be, since he bears no
>>> responsibilty for the beta. He may not have even been aware how
>>> upset the community was about the change or may be witholding
>>> comment in respect for friends still working there (or to give
>>> them a chance to formulate a reasonable reply). The audience has
>>> made their feelings quite clear; there's no need for Malda to add
>>> fuel to the fire.
>>
>> I guess I was thinking, it was his baby and he put a lot of heart
>> and soul into it, and probably has an opinion about so many
>> angry/rabid Slashdotters venting their spleens in the comment
>> sections.
>>
>> Maybe he agrees and his strategy is to stay away from the
>> maelstrom.  Or maybe he's signed some agreement not to participate
>> in the forums effective the day he departed.
>>
>> Either way, I'm curious to know what he's thinking about it, or if
>> he's even aware.
>>
>  From the following page
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/07/slashdot-creator-on-redesign-backlash-every-slashdot-change-met-with-objections/
>
> 'Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda, the creator of Slashdot who left the site in
> 2011, wasn't surprised by the outrage. "Pretty much every Slashdot
> change, big or small, as been met with some level of community
> objection," he said in an e-mail. "When I originally added (totally
> optional!) user accounts in 1998, the community freaked out that I was
> asking them to even consider logging in!"..'
>
>
> '..Malda also stresses that the current comment war doesn't
> necessarily reflect the opinion of everyone who frequents Slashdot.
> "It's easy to forget that the vocal population of a community driven
> site like Slashdot might be the most important group, but they are
> typically also the smallest class of users." The current caretakers of
> Slashdot need to balance the needs of all users with their limited
> engineering resources, Malda argues -- noting wryly, "It ain't easy." '
> '
> Ho Hum..
>
Indeed, I was around when the accounts were first introduced and for a 
couple of months resisted signing up but then relented and ended up with 
a low 5-digit one.

There were other changes not received well but the present Beta is a 
different beast, it takes away instead of completing.

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#122

On 2014-02-08, Dirk T. Verbeek <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> '..Malda also stresses that the current comment war doesn't
>> necessarily reflect the opinion of everyone who frequents Slashdot.
>> "It's easy to forget that the vocal population of a community driven
>> site like Slashdot might be the most important group, but they are
>> typically also the smallest class of users." The current caretakers
>> of Slashdot need to balance the needs of all users with their limited
>> engineering resources, Malda argues -- noting wryly, "It ain't easy."
>> ' ' Ho Hum..
>>
> Indeed, I was around when the accounts were first introduced and for a
> couple of months resisted signing up but then relented and ended up
> with a low 5-digit one.
>
> There were other changes not received well but the present Beta is a
> different beast, it takes away instead of completing.

I'm amazed this got covered by the Washington Post.  I'm amazed Malda
seems to not realize the seriousness of the changes and the backlash
this time.  And finally, I'm amazed he doesn't seem to understand that
part of the backlash is leftover anger from the last couple of
redesigns.

So, that answers my question.  His new baby is is that new iOS app he's
working on, and he's not paying attention.  As a retirement strategy,
that's a good one, I guess.

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#155

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 17:18:36 +0000, Brian Burns <spamcan@tannasg.tk>
wrote:

>On 08/02/14 15:44, RS Wood wrote:
>>>>> Notice one voice conspicuously absent from the melee?
>>>>> Commander Taco: total silence.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Same goes for any mention of his new site/product.  No one on
>>>>> Slashdot seems to be interested in any way, shape, or form in
>>>>> proposing it as a substitue/replacement for Slashdot.  Too
>>>>> bad, Malda.  Your audience is different now.
>>> 
>>> Umm, Malda left Slashdot years ago. While he is welcome to
>>> express an opinion, that is all it would be, since he bears no
>>> responsibilty for the beta. He may not have even been aware how
>>> upset the community was about the change or may be witholding
>>> comment in respect for friends still working there (or to give
>>> them a chance to formulate a reasonable reply). The audience has
>>> made their feelings quite clear; there's no need for Malda to add
>>> fuel to the fire.
>> 
>> I guess I was thinking, it was his baby and he put a lot of heart
>> and soul into it, and probably has an opinion about so many
>> angry/rabid Slashdotters venting their spleens in the comment
>> sections.
>> 
>> Maybe he agrees and his strategy is to stay away from the
>> maelstrom.  Or maybe he's signed some agreement not to participate
>> in the forums effective the day he departed.
>> 
>> Either way, I'm curious to know what he's thinking about it, or if
>> he's even aware.
>> 
>From the following page
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/07/slashdot-creator-on-redesign-backlash-every-slashdot-change-met-with-objections/
>
>'Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda, the creator of Slashdot who left the site in
>2011, wasn't surprised by the outrage. "Pretty much every Slashdot
>change, big or small, as been met with some level of community
>objection," he said in an e-mail. "When I originally added (totally
>optional!) user accounts in 1998, the community freaked out that I was
>asking them to even consider logging in!"..'
>
>
>'..Malda also stresses that the current comment war doesn't
>necessarily reflect the opinion of everyone who frequents Slashdot.
>"It's easy to forget that the vocal population of a community driven
>site like Slashdot might be the most important group, but they are
>typically also the smallest class of users." The current caretakers of
>Slashdot need to balance the needs of all users with their limited
>engineering resources, Malda argues -- noting wryly, "It ain't easy." '


Except - what Malda didn't seem to notice - is that in those previous
design changes, there were voices either in favor of the updates or
moderates speaking up in support of Slashdot even if they didn't like
the new look. Nobody likes Beta, it seems, except for Dice ;-)

Of course, this goes again to the whole idea of how a community-driven
site differs from a regular corporate site. People feel very attached
to the place, and - because it is often their content which the main
draw - also feel some ownership. The actual owners of the site mess
with this at their peril.

It's worse because the beta redesign doesn't seem to add anything
useful to the site for the current audience. Rather, it diminishes the
community's importance by making the comments less visible and
functional and changes the overall spirit of the site. On the other
hand, adding subscriptions - to use Malda's own example - had obvious
benefits even if it wasn't to everyone's liking.

While I agree the "fuckbeta" movement is a bit strident and childish,
it also is a clear message that the current audience is very unhappy
with the redesign and I hope it continues. But at the same time, we
need to have a little patience because it will take a while for the
message to percolate its way up to those who can authorize a change,
and then even more time for those changes to be implemented.

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#146

Hi there. What a blast from the past this is... I never thought I'd be using a newsreader again!

Also, fuck beta.

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#159

Happy to be here.

May this be the start of an Eternal February.

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#166

I love it here. I feel so dirty.

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#173

On 07/02/2014 06:38, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> Hello all Slashdot refugees.  Let me be the first to inagurate a new era
> of Dice-free Slashdotters reveling in the freedom of Usenet, the
> grand-daddy of Internet discussion forums.

Usenet - like putting on a pair of old comfortable shoes.

Stretching the metaphor perhaps too far, the broken laces are like the
broken Usenet clients (Thunderbird, I'm looking at you).

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#189

Thus begins the diaspora of 2014. May we find Natalie Portman covered in Hot Grits here, my bretheren.

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#190

Also... for some reason there exists a /r/slashdot on reddit (I really don't know why), which was previously inactive for about a year... but now has a few posts about the situation.

http://www.reddit.com/r/slashdot

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#751

Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> writes:

> Hello all Slashdot refugees.  Let me be the first to inagurate a new
> era of Dice-free Slashdotters reveling in the freedom of Usenet, the
> grand-daddy of Internet discussion forums.
>
> Plus this thing supports Unicode!  すごい！

As a never Slashdot user and long time Usenet user, I'd like to welcome
you all back to the light and orthodoxy of the Internet. :-)

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#762

On 2014-02-23, Aaron W. Hsu <arcfide@sacrideo.us> wrote:
> Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Hello all Slashdot refugees.  Let me be the first to inagurate a new
>> era of Dice-free Slashdotters reveling in the freedom of Usenet, the
>> grand-daddy of Internet discussion forums.
>>
>> Plus this thing supports Unicode!  すごい！
>
> As a never Slashdot user and long time Usenet user, I'd like to welcome
> you all back to the light and orthodoxy of the Internet. :-)

Hear, hear!


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#790

On 2/23/2014 1:34 AM PT, Huge typed:

 >>> Hello all Slashdot refugees.  Let me be the first to inagurate a new
>>> era of Dice-free Slashdotters reveling in the freedom of Usenet, the
>>> grand-daddy of Internet discussion forums.
>>>
>>> Plus this thing supports Unicode!  すごい！
>>
>> As a never Slashdot user and long time Usenet user, I'd like to welcome
>> you all back to the light and orthodoxy of the Internet. :-)
>
> Hear, hear!

Newsgroups still rule (aka antdude on /.).
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#801

On 2014-02-23, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 2/23/2014 1:34 AM PT, Huge typed:
>
> >>> Hello all Slashdot refugees.  Let me be the first to inagurate a new
>>>> era of Dice-free Slashdotters reveling in the freedom of Usenet, the
>>>> grand-daddy of Internet discussion forums.
>>>>
>>>> Plus this thing supports Unicode!  すごい！
>>>
>>> As a never Slashdot user and long time Usenet user, I'd like to welcome
>>> you all back to the light and orthodoxy of the Internet. :-)
>>
>> Hear, hear!
>
> Newsgroups still rule

Oh that this were true.

Still, welcome back, slashdotters.

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"Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The
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Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath"

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