Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees!

From	Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees!
Date	2014-02-25 23:50 -0500
Organization	National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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On Sun, 9 Feb 2014, Lance Orner wrote:

> On 2014-02-07, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-02-07, 2phar <none@example.com> wrote:
>> Plus, if you shell out the $10/year to a well-run NSP that runs
>> cleanfeed and bleachbot/etc. it's relatively spam free.  Other
>> advantages:
>
> Wait, I didn't know that was a thing.  I've paid money off and on to
> Easynews, and I've kept my backup account at Eternal September just
> because, but I didn't know there were active ways to clean all the
> spam up besides personal kill files.  That's cool!
>
Any good ISP in the old days would keep out most of the spam.  Any ISP 
that still carries the newsgroups is likely to keep out the spam.

I might point out that some of those for profit news providers exist 
because there is demand for the binary newsgroups, all that illegal file 
sharing.  A bloat on Usenet (and by some, the reason some ISPs started 
dropping Usenet), if people come for the binaries then they aren't likely 
here for the discussion.

Binary newsgroups made sense in the early days, when the messages were 
passed over phone lines and those with access to Usenet might not have 
access to other things online, so having binary newsgroups meant a method 
of distributing the software needed for Usenet.

But once the internet became accessible/popular just about anyone with 
access to usenet had access to a webpage or an ftp site, or whatever. 
That's the efficient way to pass large files, only when needed.  Put a 
binary file into usenet, and every site that carries that newsgroup has to 
allocate space for that message, and every site that carries the newsgroup 
has to actually retrieve the message.  If nobody is making use of that 
binary file, then it's all a waste.  If it's on some server and grabbed as 
needed, the only traffic is when someone wanting it grabs it.

SO the binary newsgroups are wasteful, and help to give usenet a bad name.

   Michael

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Welcome Slashdot refugees! Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-06 22:38 -0800
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! xyzzy <stalkers-suck@grr.la> - 2014-02-07 00:16 -0800
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! "I'm Batman, Dammit" <batman@thecave.invalid> - 2014-02-07 09:44 +0000
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lance Orner <lance@orner.invalid.net> - 2014-02-09 03:39 +0000
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-08 22:46 -0500
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-09 23:14 +0000
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lance Orner <lance@orner.invalid.net> - 2014-02-10 01:55 +0000
            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-09 21:12 -0500
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-09 18:28 -0800
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-09 23:35 -0500
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 12:39 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lance Orner <lance@orner.invalid.net> - 2014-02-11 04:05 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 09:25 -0500
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 00:11 -0500
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-02-26 22:20 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-02 23:40 -0500
            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-20 17:14 +0000
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-05 10:05 +0000
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 00:03 -0500
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! John Brownalt <deconfliction@filteredperception.org> - 2014-02-07 10:47 +0000
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! CoolHand <coolhnd28@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 21:40 -0500
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! JJ <jjdane@nospamgmail.com> - 2014-02-08 08:51 +0100
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Austin Wolfe <aewolfe@sdf.lonestar.org> - 2014-03-05 01:58 +0000
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-05 09:37 +0000
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2014-03-05 14:25 +0100
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-03-05 07:02 -0800
            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-06 10:55 +0000
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rswood@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-06 12:09 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-03-06 14:13 +0100
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-06 16:56 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-06 17:05 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 14:39 +0100
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-16 17:25 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-19 22:47 +0100
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> - 2014-03-17 08:20 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-19 22:55 +0100
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-03-06 21:18 +0100
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-06 23:00 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-03-07 00:53 +0100
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-07 04:58 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-07 10:11 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-03-07 21:04 +0100
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-07 10:52 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-03-07 13:02 +0200
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-07 12:26 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-07 15:15 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-07 20:55 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2014-03-06 14:03 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-06 17:55 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-06 13:43 +0000
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2014-03-06 10:48 -0800
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-06 19:45 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-03-06 13:15 -0800
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-03-10 20:25 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2014-03-10 14:07 -0700
                Usenet Archive (was. Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees!) Christian <chris_news@arcor.de> - 2014-03-22 09:40 +0100
                Re: Usenet Archive (was. Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees!) "voyager529" <voyager529@live.com> - 2015-03-27 10:14 -0400
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-10 21:55 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-10 22:25 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-03-11 06:14 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-11 07:55 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-03-11 08:38 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-12 08:08 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-11 10:31 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-10 22:26 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Dario Niedermann <dnied@tiscali.it> - 2014-03-11 10:42 +0100
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-03-10 22:05 -0700
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Chris Elvidge <chris@raspberrypi.mshome.net> - 2014-03-11 10:48 +0000
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-03-05 09:48 -0500
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-05 15:22 +0000
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! nobody@nowhere.invalid (natp) - 2014-03-06 02:42 +0000
            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-03-06 06:08 -0600
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-03-06 14:10 +0200
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-06 13:26 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-03-06 16:56 +0200
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-03-06 18:25 +0200
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-02-07 11:55 -0500
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-07 19:30 +0000
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Lance Orner <lance@orner.invalid.net> - 2014-02-09 03:35 +0000
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-10 12:37 +0000
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-25 23:50 -0500
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 14:23 -0800
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-08 00:15 +0000
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-07 16:41 -0800
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-08 10:09 -0500
          Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-08 15:44 +0000
            Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Brian Burns <spamcan@tannasg.tk> - 2014-02-08 17:18 +0000
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-08 18:34 +0000
                Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-08 19:52 +0000
              Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 10:25 -0500
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 03:20 +0000
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 09:36 -0800
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! junkmailid1@gmail.com - 2014-02-09 13:27 -0800
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! invis <invis@invis.net> - 2014-02-10 00:31 +0000
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! AnonymousCoward <florian.doyon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 04:50 -0800
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! gm_stack <gm@stackunderflow.com> - 2014-02-10 05:04 -0800
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! arcfide@sacrideo.us (Aaron W. Hsu) - 2014-02-23 03:02 -0500
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-02-23 09:34 +0000
      Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-02-23 07:31 -0800
        Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-02-23 17:36 +0000
    Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-02-23 12:23 +0200
  Re: Welcome Slashdot refugees! scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-02-26 17:30 +0000

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