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  Web Trolls Winning as Incivility Increases Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-15 10:05 +0000
    Re: Web Trolls Winning as Incivility Increases Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-08-15 15:02 +0100
      Re: Web Trolls Winning as Incivility Increases RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-08-15 15:12 +0000
      Re: Web Trolls Winning as Incivility Increases Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-15 19:27 +0300

#4382 — Web Trolls Winning as Incivility Increases

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/technology/web-trolls-winning-as-incivility-increases.html

   The Internet may be losing the war against trolls. At the very
   least, it isn't winning. And unless social networks, media sites and
   governments come up with some innovative way of defeating online
   troublemakers, the digital world will never be free of the trolls'
   collective sway.

   That's the dismal judgment of the handful of scholars who study the
   broad category of online incivility known as trolling, a problem
   whose scope is not clear, but whose victims keep mounting.

   ...

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#4386

On 2014-08-15 11:05, Rich wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/technology/web-trolls-winning-as-incivility-increases.html
> 
>    The Internet may be losing the war against trolls. At the very
>    least, it isn't winning. And unless social networks, media sites and
>    governments come up with some innovative way of defeating online
>    troublemakers, the digital world will never be free of the trolls'
>    collective sway.
> 
>    That's the dismal judgment of the handful of scholars who study the
>    broad category of online incivility known as trolling, a problem
>    whose scope is not clear, but whose victims keep mounting.

Perhaps it should be seen as the verbal/intellectual equivalent of
shooting someone from 250m or bombing them from 30,000ft. You don't get
to know them, you don't even have to see their faces, you can just pull
the trigger. Not everyone does it, though:

"In a survey conducted by [a] group of [Canadian] psychologists, people
who partake in so-called trolling online showed signs of sadism,
psychopathy, and were Machiavellian in their manipulation of others and
their disregard for morality."

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/online-trolls-are-psychopaths-and-sadists-psychologists-claim-9134396.html

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#4389

In article <lsl3tl$3a2$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
 Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> wrote:

> "In a survey conducted by [a] group of [Canadian] psychologists, people
> who partake in so-called trolling online showed signs of sadism,
> psychopathy, and were Machiavellian in their manipulation of others and
> their disregard for morality."
> 
> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/online-trolls-ar
> e-psychopaths-and-sadists-psychologists-claim-9134396.html


Yeah, and I'm also no longer convinced this is some sort of phenomenon 
unique to the internet, either.  There are assholes in real life, too - 
believe me, I work with some of them :)  The same sort of thing happens 
in real life.  But it is true you can insult someone brutally from a 
great distance with very little effort these days, and some people love 
that.  It's certainly easier than flying all over the world with your 
offensive signs, like the Westboro Baptist people.

Somewhere I copied down - it was probably a Slashdotter's sig - "the 
Internet allows us to meet people from all over the world, and call them 
fucktards"

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#4393

Hils <hils@saynotospam.net>:

> Perhaps it should be seen as the verbal/intellectual equivalent of
> shooting someone from 250m or bombing them from 30,000ft. You don't
> get to know them, you don't even have to see their faces, you can just
> pull the trigger. Not everyone does it, though:
>
> "In a survey conducted by [a] group of [Canadian] psychologists,
> people who partake in so-called trolling online showed signs of
> sadism, psychopathy, and were Machiavellian in their manipulation of
> others and their disregard for morality."

If Usenet trolling is their way of implementing their sociopathic urges,
I welcome them. I've seen a few very active and admirably skilled
trolls. One "blessed" soc.culture.esperanto with his 24/7 presence for
several months. I haven't seen him for a couple of weeks. I hope he's
just on a summer vacation instead of upgrading to a shooting spree.


Marko

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