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  "This _is_ a war." Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2014-11-14 11:25 +0200
    Re: "This _is_ a war." RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-11-14 21:50 +0000
      Re: "This _is_ a war." Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-11-14 19:33 -0500
    Re: "This _is_ a war." Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2014-11-15 21:08 +0200

#5630 — "This _is_ a war."

https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00119.html

     >> Calling this a war,
     > Have you followed the discussion?  This _is_ a war.  And not just
     > from Ian's side: the pro-systemd amendment in the current vote
     > seems to say "we demand that you trust everything we do, and we
     > don't trust what you do".  When I first read it my reaction was
     > "Woah!  That's a declaration of war!"  How anyone could think it
     > would be a good idea to include that in the amendment was beyond
     > me.

My reading of The Choice-4 is:  "Minority must STFU.  Because democracy,
man!"

     > But I think I understand it now.  Because it already is a war; no
     > need to declare it.  These people, just like Ian, feel strongly
     > about this.  And that is in fact a positive thing, just like I
     > think it is positive that Ian feels so strongly about it.  It
     > means that they aren't cold-heartedly sabotaging the system as
     > ordered by their corporate overlords.  That may seem obvious, but
     > it hasn't always been clear. ;-)

So.  There's a war going.  I'm surprised, realy.  And a battle (not
final) approaches -- five days and counting.  Opinions?  Wishes?  Bets?
FUD?  Conspiracy theories :]  Anything?

--
Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination
Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom

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#5637

 
> So.  There's a war going.  I'm surprised, realy.  And a battle (not
> final) approaches -- five days and counting.  Opinions?  Wishes?
> Bets? FUD?  Conspiracy theories :]  Anything?


It's not a war until people insist on describing it using military
terminology.  Until then it remains a difference of opinion, with
backers on each sides who respectively feel strongly about their
choice, in a context of many competing distros and the right to fork.
Users will vote with their feet, and FreeBSD is waiting for them right
here ---->

I don't see the need for such divisiveness and plan to make my choice
when the dust settles.  I'm not a huge fan of systemd but I'm also
willing to see it prove itself, or a viable competitor emerge.

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#5639

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:

>> So.  There's a war going.  I'm surprised, realy.  And a battle (not
>> final) approaches -- five days and counting.  Opinions?  Wishes?
>> Bets? FUD?  Conspiracy theories :]  Anything?
>
>
> It's not a war until people insist on describing it using military
> terminology.  Until then it remains a difference of opinion, with
> backers on each sides who respectively feel strongly about their
> choice, in a context of many competing distros and the right to fork.
> Users will vote with their feet, and FreeBSD is waiting for them right
> here ---->
>
> I don't see the need for such divisiveness and plan to make my choice
> when the dust settles.  I'm not a huge fan of systemd but I'm also
> willing to see it prove itself, or a viable competitor emerge.

War.  Using the word in this context makes a mockery of the word.

Some people will do anything to stir the pot.

I'm a Fedora user.  I'm _supposed_ to be exposed to the bleeding edge.
Systemd has caused zero problems for me.  The only thing I noticed were
the new commands and the  fast start up and shut down.
The new commands are a blessing.  Monitoring services has reached a new
level of ease of use.

PulseAudio was a pain.  Systemd, no problems at all.

To all the people fleeing to FreeBSD (all 5 of you),
be prepared for the inevitable.


-- 
Dan Espen

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#5646

with <slrnm6bik2.a0b.whynot@orphan.zombinet> Eric Pozharski wrote:

*SKIP*
> Conspiracy theories :]

Talking on conspiracy theories:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00144.html

>  - There are organisations (Microsoft, Apple, probably the NSA,
>    probably not Red Hat) who want to harm free software in general, or
>    Debian in particular.
>  - It is likely that those who are against us try to infiltrate our
>    organisation.
>  - Lennart and his gang are accused of being such infiltrators, trying
>    to take over the free software world by force, with the purpose of
>    harming it to the greatest extent possible.  (This is an
>    observation that this accusation exists, not a judgement on whether
>    this is true.)

And kids, learn how to troll (who reads braces anyway).

--
Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination
Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom

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