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Re: [CM] Two interesting articles on Symbolics/Lisp

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 16:34:43 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:

> Richard Fateman <fateman@cs.berkeley.edu> writes:
>> I agree with the notion implicit in the cited remarks that Symbolics
>> provided a productive environment, and many subsequent systems (e.g.
>> IBM PC, MS-DOS, Windows) represented huge backward steps. But
>> Symbolics' user interface was not without rivals from Sun, Bell Labs
>> (BLT), Xerox, Apollo, DEC, Tektronix, IBM (RT), HP, Apple(Lisa), CMU
>> and probably others in that time frame.
> 
> Well, when I asked why Rainer singled out Symbolics, I was getting at
> something narrower, which is that most of the stuff in the article
> applied to all of the MIT-descended Lisp machines, not just Symbolics.
> Those included the original CADR, the TI Exploder, the LMI machines, and
> there may have been another one?  They had the same hardware
> architecture (the later hardware implementations diverged) and mostly
> the same software as the Symbolics machines, from what I gather.  I
> didn't get to use any of them very much though, so differences between
> them may be going past me.

The MIT/LMI/TI machines didn't have the presentation-style user-interface
that provides some of the features that Rainer describes.

> Fairly recently there were some projects to emulate the CADR hardware on
> modern PC's and then run the original CADR code on them.  I don't know
> if any of those reached usability though.

The CADR emulator works fine, the problem is that we only have saved memory
images of very early versions of the software and it is difficult to
bootstrap to the later Common Lisp compatible versions.

There is also a TI Explorer I emulator but we don't have the microcode
sources for it unlike for the CADR.

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[CM] Two interesting articles on Symbolics/Lisp RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-13 11:37 +0000
  Re: [CM] Two interesting articles on Symbolics/Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-13 09:44 -0700
    Re: [CM] Two interesting articles on Symbolics/Lisp Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-06-13 19:06 +0000
    Re: [CM] Two interesting articles on Symbolics/Lisp Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-06-13 21:03 +0000
      Re: [CM] Two interesting articles on Symbolics/Lisp RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-15 10:36 +0000
        Re: [CM] Two interesting articles on Symbolics/Lisp Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2014-06-15 13:03 +0000
          Re: [CM] Two interesting articles on Symbolics/Lisp Richard Fateman <fateman@cs.berkeley.edu> - 2014-06-15 16:11 -0700
            Re: [CM] Two interesting articles on Symbolics/Lisp Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-15 16:34 -0700
              Re: [CM] Two interesting articles on Symbolics/Lisp Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2014-06-16 08:48 +0000

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