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Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies"

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On 11/21/2014 11:24 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> Why am *i* the fool when it's obvious that
> the creators of Python were either shortsighted and/or
> careless with the designs? The only people who suffer are
> those who put their trust in the designer, and not the
> designer himself -- something is wrong with this picture!

So if you know how to create the perfect language that has a solution to
these very difficult problems, please come forward with it.  Until such
time, it's okay to identify problems with the language as you see them,
but to cast aspersion on the developers is out of line.  Do you know
Guido personally to know that he's short-sighted or careless?  I
certainly don't, but from what I can see he is neither.  Not perfect,
but pretty darn smart.  Much smarter than I am (despite the fact I can
also recognize several of Python's flaws).  The same goes for many other
core developers.  They tend to be smart, articulate, and know how to
communicate with people.  Everything is about trade-offs and the ones
Python makes work very well for most people.

Perhaps the problem with the picture is that you are unable to see it
clearly. I assure you that Python developers not only create Python,
they use it too, for their own purposes.  Why would think they are some
sort of cabal getting kicks from leading the poor masses of Python
programmers at their whim?

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PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-15 21:01 -0800
  Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-16 16:16 +1100
  Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 10:14 +1000
    Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 11:31 +1100
    Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-20 19:53 -0800
      Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-21 04:26 -0600
        Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 07:52 -0800
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-21 10:12 -0600
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 10:42 -0700
      Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-11-21 06:32 -0500
      Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 08:33 -0700
        Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 10:24 -0800
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 05:34 +1100
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 12:05 -0700
            Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 12:29 -0800
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 15:54 -0700
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 12:23 -0700
            Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 14:25 -0800
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 15:21 -0800
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 10:52 +1100
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 17:07 -0800
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 13:36 +1100
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 02:27 -0700
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2014-11-21 16:33 -0800
                Import a module from a specific file path (was: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies") Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-22 11:37 +1100
                Re: Import a module from a specific file path Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-22 08:28 +0200
                Re: Import a module from a specific file path (was: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies") Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 13:32 +1100
                Re: Import a module from a specific file path Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-22 17:46 +1100
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 17:32 -0700
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 17:48 -0800
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-11-21 15:38 -0500
        Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-22 23:25 +1100
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 00:00 +1100
            Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-23 17:30 +1100
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 22:44 -0800
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 17:56 +1100
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 17:59 +1100
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external   dependencies" Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-11-24 11:37 +1300
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 22:25 -0800
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 17:34 +1100
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-24 10:34 +0000
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 08:51 -0800
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-11-24 12:06 -0500
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2014-11-24 17:07 +0000
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-24 19:08 +0200
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 09:38 -0800
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 15:34 -0700
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-23 18:43 +1100
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 18:51 +1100
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-11-23 11:23 -0500
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 03:36 +1100
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-22 15:27 -0600
            Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-23 12:00 +1100
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-22 19:33 -0600

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