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On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Seymore4Head
<Seymore4Head@hotmail.invalid> wrote:
> I understand that it makes it easier for you if I can describe better
> the error I get, but by the time I ask for help here I have tried many
> different things to get the error to go away.

That's part of the problem. You let yourself get frustrated and
confused, and you still have no idea what you're doing. Ask sooner, if
you have to; or develop the discipline to keep track of what you do
and what happens. But regardless of what actually happens, "it didn't
work" is not a helpful thing to say.

Trust me, making it easier for us will make everything easier for you
too. Even if we were to never answer a single question of yours ever
again, learning to read error messages will benefit you more than you
can imagine.

ChrisA

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I am out of trial and error again  Lists Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-10-22 16:30 -0400
  Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2014-10-22 16:57 -0400
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