Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.102 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.80; '*S*': 0.01; 'subject:error': 0.03; 'happens.': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'get,': 0.16; 'say.': 0.16; 'work"': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'error': 0.23; 'helpful': 0.24; 'regardless': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'easier': 0.31; 'too.': 0.31; '25,': 0.31; 'away.': 0.31; 'problem.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'track': 0.38; 'even': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; "you're": 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'benefit': 0.68; 'frustrated': 0.68; 'yourself': 0.78; '"it': 0.84; 'yours': 0.88; 'discipline': 0.91; 'subject:Lists': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=skk5t/tNE5REpHJlxfKdcRkkKaoyf6v+6jQXQog39+8=; b=KKRblomiW6CqhzodgwekSn70ebrGiq7A60ssdPEvtJUV8JrHD+1CIsMMXYoqZ3YALz tfnlubX9e4zenUVHUG9+Yw2vKIwO4AyMWSBWc1JSGqB0dX2O/pIYGZf7fuMPgJgFJS9p WZlUwxE64aWLJ5o0R6TeTCRyUq8szgxdu56TCkO7vySIThsSxvPYduIymOJIWEg4M2uA CEijMd0vOwu6jKMPVrSzdZBUKbQh/lO4h0plXPyD6P6ths0MqhnHixAGALSlXLU/JCtB MW3d7Hi3swQCxz8pDx3O9Glh8en6Rpn7Yzhdi9w4wX5b654sCArlBOYI41ayvV46BnD5 8BwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.110.4 with SMTP id hw4mr4352446igb.14.1414163614948; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:13:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2412654f-ac5e-4678-8956-afc4e27affb3@googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 02:13:34 +1100 Subject: Re: I am out of trial and error again Lists From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1414163650 news.xs4all.nl 2884 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:50877 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:79574 On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Seymore4Head wrote: > I understand that it makes it easier for you if I can describe better > the error I get, but by the time I ask for help here I have tried many > different things to get the error to go away. That's part of the problem. You let yourself get frustrated and confused, and you still have no idea what you're doing. Ask sooner, if you have to; or develop the discipline to keep track of what you do and what happens. But regardless of what actually happens, "it didn't work" is not a helpful thing to say. Trust me, making it easier for us will make everything easier for you too. Even if we were to never answer a single question of yours ever again, learning to read error messages will benefit you more than you can imagine. ChrisA