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On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> The issue is not only that print is bad but that the interpreter is
> good for learning and trying out.
>
> Are these two really unconnected. Lets see... One can
>
> - use print without the interpreter
> - use the interpreter without print
> - use both
>
> But can one use neither? [Assuming telepathy/ESP etc is disallowed]
>
> So pushing beginners away from print can push them up the learning
> curve more quickly

(Please be more clear with your terminology; running Python scripts is
still using the interpreter, it's just not using *interactive* Python.
What you're saying above is all about Python's interactive mode.)

Your conclusion doesn't obviously follow from your preceding
statements. How does pushing people away from print push them up?
Which way is "up"? Is it "up" to move from interactive Python to
scripts run from the command line? Or is that down? How does the
avoidance of print push anyone anywhere, anyway?

ChrisA

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