Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'scripts': 0.03; 'interpreter': 0.05; 'beginners': 0.09; 'curve': 0.09; 'subject:question': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'interpreter,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'obviously': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; "python's": 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'command': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'print': 0.22; 'lets': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'push': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'quickly': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'anyone': 0.31; 'run': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'etc': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'issue': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'bad': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'skip:* 10': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'to:none': 0.92; 'anywhere,': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=Z4PknZgaIqzk0eJ3/fimGF3moJAcUxH71/bqgRtcSlo=; b=ZLscB5qqlWWv2AK1Oi1SD4wcZ96ICRUOTqUISK8zcQTi+P5vNb+8kCHR0zsiGEo58z 3FDXlAwGLzNY5W8Rlsnzj9AcSXYcEs7qLIZgmRI4iALDyxxZ6g/ygIpbXmSv+A/nm0o2 mxk7CaN2bNcl8wyDFj2aOXIeVU1e8FlGFdFveReFVtPvF9rBRJyyx0z0ZCkz6m/xHxnG TT9c5lCRkPsCpqwpqjMsMaD5YlSysPxvbRE10cjccTW9nmhPlP9iJoIy2ghHWLcb9F3C qcFwz6scd4ylfl6jutJJ3uiepS+vzyhRUVAXi7OLHrJx5oWvpH1uB/jchEvYpsBpoV26 T9Pg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.117.65 with SMTP id kc1mr18089478igb.34.1412785404280; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 09:23:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9e674b54-92e8-469b-ba68-da593fc8564a@googlegroups.com> <5433004e$0$2916$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 03:23:24 +1100 Subject: Re: Practice question From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1412785412 news.xs4all.nl 2947 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51069 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:78841 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > The issue is not only that print is bad but that the interpreter is > good for learning and trying out. > > Are these two really unconnected. Lets see... One can > > - use print without the interpreter > - use the interpreter without print > - use both > > But can one use neither? [Assuming telepathy/ESP etc is disallowed] > > So pushing beginners away from print can push them up the learning > curve more quickly (Please be more clear with your terminology; running Python scripts is still using the interpreter, it's just not using *interactive* Python. What you're saying above is all about Python's interactive mode.) Your conclusion doesn't obviously follow from your preceding statements. How does pushing people away from print push them up? Which way is "up"? Is it "up" to move from interactive Python to scripts run from the command line? Or is that down? How does the avoidance of print push anyone anywhere, anyway? ChrisA