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Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra?

From "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu>
Newsgroups sci.math, comp.lang.fortran, comp.lang.python
Subject Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra?
Date 2026-09-07 04:41 +0000
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 22:00:39 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 15:32:53 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote:
> 
>> Fortran 77 makes little sense, modern Fortran variants (Fortran 90+)
>> are available with free compilers and offer much more comfort and
>> safety.
> 
> Python offers custom operator overloads, so you can write actual
> operator expressions for addition, dot product etc -- closer in
> appearance to the actual maths -- instead of parenthesis-ridden
> function calls.

Can we assume you know little to nothing about modern
Fortran?  One can write custom operator overloads in
Fortran.  Here's a Cartesian point with a translation
and scaling operators.

module pointm

   implicit none

   type point_t
      real x, y, z
   end type point_t

   interface operator(-)
      module procedure translate
   end interface

   interface operator(*)
      module procedure left
      module procedure rght
   end interface

   contains

      function translate(pt1, pt2) result(r)
         type(point_t) r
         type(point_t), intent(in) :: pt1, pt2
         r%x = pt1%x - pt2%x
         r%y = pt1%y - pt2%y
         r%z = pt1%z - pt2%z
      end function translate

      function left(c, pt1) result(r)
         type(point_t) r
         real, intent(in) :: c
         type(point_t), intent(in) :: pt1
         r%x = c * pt1%x
         r%y = c * pt1%y
         r%z = c * pt1%z
      end function left

      function rght(pt1, c) result(r)
         type(point_t) r
         real, intent(in) :: c
         type(point_t), intent(in) :: pt1
         r%x = c * pt1%x
         r%y = c * pt1%y
         r%z = c * pt1%z
      end function rght

end module pointm

program foo
   use pointm
   type(point_t) :: a = point_t(1, 1, 1),  b = point_t(0.5, 0.75, 2)
   print "(3F6.2)", a - b
   print "(3F6.2)", 3. * a - 4. * b
end program

-- 
steve

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  Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 15:32 +0000
    Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra? "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-06 23:53 +0800
    Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-06 17:30 +0000
      Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 19:47 +0000
    Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra? "David Jones" <dajhawkxx@nowherel.com> - 2026-09-06 18:40 +0000
      Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 19:49 +0000
    Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 22:00 +0000
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      Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra? "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-09-07 04:41 +0000
        Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-07 13:24 +0800
        Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-07 06:47 +0000
          Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-07 16:32 +0800
      Re: Blog: Is Fortran better than Python for teaching the basics of numerical linear algebra? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-07 05:08 +0000

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