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part 2 - file exists not working richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-09-23 10:04 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-09-23 15:17 +0100
Re: part 2 - file exists not working richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-09-23 10:35 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Paul Herber <paul@pherber.com> - 2013-09-23 15:33 +0100
Re: part 2 - file exists not working David Robley <me@home.invalid> - 2013-09-24 10:16 +0930
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2013-09-23 22:07 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-09-24 01:57 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working David Robley <me@home.invalid> - 2013-09-24 17:19 +0930
Re: part 2 - file exists not working richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-09-24 04:10 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-09-24 04:32 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-09-24 23:23 +0000
Re: part 2 - file exists not working David Robley <me@home.invalid> - 2013-09-25 09:48 +0930
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2013-09-24 09:45 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-24 16:34 +0200
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2013-09-24 10:41 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-09-24 12:17 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-24 09:29 -0700
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-24 18:51 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-24 19:10 +0000
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-24 19:08 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-24 18:39 -0700
Re: part 2 - file exists not working "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-09-24 22:17 -0500
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-26 17:20 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-26 15:43 -0700
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-09-26 19:43 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-09-24 18:54 -0700
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-26 17:39 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-26 15:47 -0700
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-28 13:58 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-28 11:45 -0700
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-09-25 09:01 +0100
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-24 18:54 +0200
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-09-24 18:30 +0100
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-09-24 15:40 -0700
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-24 19:14 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-24 18:43 -0700
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-26 17:42 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-24 18:50 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-09-24 18:56 -0700
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Curtis Dyer <dyer85@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 06:01 +0000
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-26 18:04 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Curtis Dyer <dyer85@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 01:47 +0000
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-09-26 22:56 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-26 20:11 -0700
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-09-26 23:41 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Curtis Dyer <dyer85@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 06:04 +0000
OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-28 14:33 -0400
Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working Fiver <numeralfive@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 23:12 +0200
Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-29 06:50 +0100
Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-09-29 10:39 -0500
Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-09-29 14:49 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-09-24 23:20 +0000
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-24 18:46 -0700
Re: part 2 - file exists not working richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-09-24 22:27 -0400
Re: part 2 - file exists not working The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-25 06:21 +0100
Re: part 2 - file exists not working David Robley <me@home.invalid> - 2013-09-25 15:20 +0930
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-09-26 20:30 +0000
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-25 07:42 +0000
Re: part 2 - file exists not working The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-25 09:07 +0100
Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-25 06:29 -0700
Re: part 2 - file exists not working The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-25 15:09 +0100
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| From | Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2013-09-26 18:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l22b0o$m4l$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #10904 |
On 2013-09-26 2:01 AM, Curtis Dyer wrote:
...
>
> Arbitrary server admins don't determine when features of PHP
> become deprecated, the PHP development team does.
Say WHAT?
... what makes you think that current servers, which almost all offer
at least TWO versions of PHP to its users will stop doing that? Some
even offer THREE I've come across in the past.
DEPRECATED means removed from a VERSION of the language, not ALL
versions!
And just who is going to force server admins to have a dictated
version of PHP available and no other?
It's myopic crap-thinking like that, that gets my attention here. And
besides, mysql i isn't all that different from mysql, period. It's just
not the Armageddon arrival as some are working so hard to point out.
If you want to help, TEACH ; otherwise phase out. Forget the vague
warnings and scenarios of web sites not working overnight. You have a
version of PHP SET for your site on any good server, and the appearance
of a new version is NOT going to automatically be applied to your sites!!
...
> When giving people advice about writing code, it's helpful to
> encourage the best possible practices. The mysql extension is
> indeed deprecated, and people learning PHP ought to be made well
> aware of this.
True, and that should be your job; NOT making gregarious claims that all
sites will stop working if/when a server's admin employs a new version
of a program!
>
> While your code may continue to work on your system, the same
> cannot be said of everyone who takes advice from posts such as
> those in this thread.
THEN SAY SO! Quit hiding behind the depracated but I'll not impart any
further comment mentaility!
>
> If you would like your code to be as correct and portable as
> possible--if you care at all about writing good code--why would
> you dismiss completely that an extension is deprecated?
Where did that come from? You mean using a different version, when the
latest version provides NO improvements, should automatically be
implemented? That's nonsense.
>
>> The scare tactics are silly and that's why people don't worry
>> about it.
>
> People are trying to provide helpful information. No one here is
> employing scare tactics.
No, they are not; they are employing ego-driven scare tactics and saying
nothing but it's depracated - hell, in this whole thread the version
number has never even been mentioned in any way -- why is THAT?
>
Cheers,
Twayne`
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| From | Curtis Dyer <dyer85@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-27 01:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l22o2j$9tn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #10912 |
Twayne wrote: [Twayne's quoted text below has been rewrapped] > On 2013-09-26 2:01 AM, Curtis Dyer wrote: ... > >> Arbitrary server admins don't determine when features of PHP >> become deprecated, the PHP development team does. > > Say WHAT? ... what makes you think that current servers, which > almost all offer at least TWO versions of PHP to its users will > stop doing that? None of what I wrote has anything to do with this. > Some even offer THREE I've come across in the past. DEPRECATED > means removed from a VERSION of the language, not ALL versions! No, deprecated means that a feature or practice is considered dated in favor of something else, and that one should avoid using it, where possible. It is by no means a strict mandate that you must never use the feature. (Although, you obviously can't use the feature whenever you move to the new version in which a deprecated feature is dropped.) > And just who is going to force server admins to have a dictated > version of PHP available and no other? No one, but I never wrote or implied anything like that. > It's myopic crap-thinking like that, that gets my attention > here. It's not a big deal. If you're writing new code, today, there's no reason not to avoid using the mysql extension. That's all. I'm not warning to toss away or fix old code *right now*. And, if anything, it's myopic thinking to write code depending on a deprecated extension in situations where you don't need to. > And besides, mysql i isn't all that different from mysql, > period. It's just not the Armageddon arrival as some are working > so hard to point out. This is a ridiculous straw man. > If you want to help, TEACH ; otherwise phase out. What do you mean? What do you think trying to inform people about best practices is all about? No one here is imposing mandates on anyone. We can just offer the best advice as we're able, and it's up to the OP and others who might read the advice to do with it what they will. > Forget the vague warnings and scenarios of web sites not working > overnight. No one has written this. When I read Thomas's post upthread, for example, it read as a helpful aside to me. It was quite clear and concise. There's nothing vague about informing people about a deprecated feature. Again, no one has written that people's code will break overnight. <snip> >> When giving people advice about writing code, it's helpful to >> encourage the best possible practices. The mysql extension is >> indeed deprecated, and people learning PHP ought to be made >> well aware of this. > > True, and that should be your job; Usenet is not my job; Usenet contributors don't get paid for posting. I generally post here in the event that I feel I'm able to provide what little help I can. Further, newsgroups like this have been a big help to me, so contributing back is a nice change of pace. > NOT making gregarious claims I've never heard claims described as gregarious. Perhaps you meant grandiose? If that's the case, I made none. The mysql extension is deprecated, but this has nothing to do with magically breaking Web servers. It's a simple warning to developers (and sever admins), that, at some point, the extension will be phased out. It's a helpful warning and is intended to give people time to prepare however they choose. For some people, the concern probably isn't immediate. That's fine. However, there's absolutely nothing wrong with suggesting to beginners that they ought to use instead mysqli or the PDO MySQL driver. There are other reasons for using alternatives to the mysql extension that go beyond the fact that it's deprecated (although, they likely have contributed to the fact that it has become deprecated). For example, the fact that you can use prepared statements or, in PDO's case, it provides an abstract interface to allow developers to reuse code for multiple databases. > that all sites will stop working if/when a server's admin > employs a new version of a program! >> >> While your code may continue to work on your system, the same >> cannot be said of everyone who takes advice from posts such as >> those in this thread. > > THEN SAY SO! I have written it in the post you quoted. Although, I didn't write in all-caps, so perhaps you missed it. <snip> -- Curtis Dyer <?$x='<?$x=%c%s%c;printf($x,39,$x,39);?>';printf($x,39,$x,39);?>
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2013-09-26 22:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l22s5c$k54$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #10919 |
On 9/26/2013 9:47 PM, Curtis Dyer wrote: > Twayne wrote: > > [Twayne's quoted text below has been rewrapped] > >> On 2013-09-26 2:01 AM, Curtis Dyer wrote: ... >> >>> Arbitrary server admins don't determine when features of PHP >>> become deprecated, the PHP development team does. >> >> Say WHAT? ... what makes you think that current servers, which >> almost all offer at least TWO versions of PHP to its users will >> stop doing that? > > None of what I wrote has anything to do with this. > >> Some even offer THREE I've come across in the past. DEPRECATED >> means removed from a VERSION of the language, not ALL versions! > > No, deprecated means that a feature or practice is considered > dated in favor of something else, and that one should avoid using > it, where possible. It is by no means a strict mandate that you > must never use the feature. (Although, you obviously can't use the > feature whenever you move to the new version in which a deprecated > feature is dropped.) > >> And just who is going to force server admins to have a dictated >> version of PHP available and no other? > > No one, but I never wrote or implied anything like that. > >> It's myopic crap-thinking like that, that gets my attention >> here. > > It's not a big deal. If you're writing new code, today, there's no > reason not to avoid using the mysql extension. That's all. I'm not > warning to toss away or fix old code *right now*. > > And, if anything, it's myopic thinking to write code depending on > a deprecated extension in situations where you don't need to. > >> And besides, mysql i isn't all that different from mysql, >> period. It's just not the Armageddon arrival as some are working >> so hard to point out. > > This is a ridiculous straw man. > >> If you want to help, TEACH ; otherwise phase out. > > What do you mean? What do you think trying to inform people about > best practices is all about? No one here is imposing mandates on > anyone. We can just offer the best advice as we're able, and it's > up to the OP and others who might read the advice to do with it > what they will. > >> Forget the vague warnings and scenarios of web sites not working >> overnight. > > No one has written this. When I read Thomas's post upthread, for > example, it read as a helpful aside to me. It was quite clear and > concise. There's nothing vague about informing people about a > deprecated feature. > > Again, no one has written that people's code will break overnight. > > <snip> > >>> When giving people advice about writing code, it's helpful to >>> encourage the best possible practices. The mysql extension is >>> indeed deprecated, and people learning PHP ought to be made >>> well aware of this. >> >> True, and that should be your job; > > Usenet is not my job; Usenet contributors don't get paid for > posting. I generally post here in the event that I feel I'm able > to provide what little help I can. Further, newsgroups like this > have been a big help to me, so contributing back is a nice change > of pace. > >> NOT making gregarious claims > > I've never heard claims described as gregarious. Perhaps you meant > grandiose? If that's the case, I made none. > > The mysql extension is deprecated, but this has nothing to do with > magically breaking Web servers. It's a simple warning to > developers (and sever admins), that, at some point, the extension > will be phased out. > > It's a helpful warning and is intended to give people time to > prepare however they choose. For some people, the concern probably > isn't immediate. That's fine. However, there's absolutely nothing > wrong with suggesting to beginners that they ought to use instead > mysqli or the PDO MySQL driver. > > There are other reasons for using alternatives to the mysql > extension that go beyond the fact that it's deprecated (although, > they likely have contributed to the fact that it has become > deprecated). For example, the fact that you can use prepared > statements or, in PDO's case, it provides an abstract interface to > allow developers to reuse code for multiple databases. > >> that all sites will stop working if/when a server's admin >> employs a new version of a program! >>> >>> While your code may continue to work on your system, the same >>> cannot be said of everyone who takes advice from posts such as >>> those in this thread. >> >> THEN SAY SO! > > I have written it in the post you quoted. Although, I didn't write > in all-caps, so perhaps you missed it. > > <snip> > Curtis, Please don't feed the troll... -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-26 20:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4pt949lstsnj7vb6re59ocm36tvqglu2ph@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #10920 |
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:56:49 -0400, Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote: >Curtis, > >Please don't feed the troll... Disagree with the characterization. Trolls post solely to provoke responses as a kind of vandalism. Twayne has posted genuine questions here. He certainly is stuck on this issue and has greatly mispercieved the posts on the topic, but there is no reason to think that he is being disingenuous.
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2013-09-26 23:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l22uor$sv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #10921 |
On 9/26/2013 11:11 PM, Richard Yates wrote: > On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:56:49 -0400, Jerry Stuckle > <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote: > >> Curtis, >> >> Please don't feed the troll... > > Disagree with the characterization. Trolls post solely to provoke > responses as a kind of vandalism. Twayne has posted genuine questions > here. He certainly is stuck on this issue and has greatly mispercieved > the posts on the topic, but there is no reason to think that he is > being disingenuous. > You haven't read his posts very closely, then. Examples: Curtis Dyer: When giving people advice about writing code, it's helpful to encourage the best possible practices. The mysql extension is indeed deprecated, and people learning PHP ought to be made well aware of this. Twayne: True, and that should be your job; NOT making gregarious claims that all sites will stop working if/when a server's admin employs a new version of a program! (which Curtis NEVER claimed) And later in that same post: Twayne: The scare tactics are silly and that's why people don't worry about it. Curtis Dyer: People are trying to provide helpful information. No one here is employing scare tactics. Twayne: No, they are not; they are employing ego-driven scare tactics and saying nothing but it's depracated - hell, in this whole thread the version number has never even been mentioned in any way -- why is THAT? (But then ANYONE who disagrees with Twayne has an ego problem). There are others - I'll leave them to you to find. I'm not going to repeat everything he said in this thread. And he's a well-known troll from other threads in this newsgroup, also. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Curtis Dyer <dyer85@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-27 06:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l2374g$st5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #10920 |
Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 9/26/2013 9:47 PM, Curtis Dyer wrote: >> Twayne wrote: >> >> [Twayne's quoted text below has been rewrapped] >> >>> On 2013-09-26 2:01 AM, Curtis Dyer wrote: ... <snip> >>> And besides, mysql i isn't all that different from mysql, >>> period. It's just not the Armageddon arrival as some are >>> working so hard to point out. >> >> This is a ridiculous straw man. <snip similar exchanges> > Curtis, > > Please don't feed the troll... I try to resort to the killfile as a last resort, so assumed the best in this case. I merely wanted to clear up my points just to be certain; I've seen too many misunderstandings via textual communication. Regardless, I can't be any clearer than I am now, and won't be provoked into a prolonged argument. I see where you're coming from, though. -- Curtis Dyer <?$x='<?$x=%c%s%c;printf($x,39,$x,39);?>';printf($x,39,$x,39);?>
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| From | Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2013-09-28 14:33 -0400 |
| Subject | OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working |
| Message-ID | <l277el$aj2$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #10919 |
You deserve respect and I am NOT trying to take that, or credibility away from you. That said, I do have a couple of observations if you will: On 2013-09-26 9:47 PM, Curtis Dyer wrote: > Twayne wrote: > > [Twayne's quoted text below has been rewrapped] > >> On 2013-09-26 2:01 AM, Curtis Dyer wrote: ... >> >>> Arbitrary server admins don't determine when features of PHP >>> become deprecated, the PHP development team does. >> >> Say WHAT? ... what makes you think that current servers, which >> almost all offer at least TWO versions of PHP to its users will >> stop doing that? > > None of what I wrote has anything to do with this. You also didn't offer any enlightenment on what you meant, nor the question. If you are the author of the >>> comments above, then I think you did. Or do you consider the word "Arbitrary" as an out? Or that there can only be ONE meaning to PHP development team? > >> Some even offer THREE I've come across in the past. DEPRECATED >> means removed from a VERSION of the language, not ALL versions! > > No, deprecated means that a feature or practice (IN A VERSION OF THE APP IN QUESTION) is considered > dated in favor of something else, and that one should avoid using > it, where possible. Of course. It is by no means a strict mandate that you > must never use the feature. (Although, you obviously can't use the > feature whenever you move to the new version in which a deprecated > feature is dropped.) That's a little obvious, too. But, unlike many, they are trying to say that the latest versions with the deprecations is all that will suddenly be available! It's just not true. > >> And just who is going to force server admins to have a dictated >> version of PHP available and no other? > > No one, but I never wrote or implied anything like that. > >> It's myopic crap-thinking like that, that gets my attention >> here. > > It's not a big deal. If you're writing new code, today, there's no > reason not to avoid using the mysql extension. That's all. I'm not > warning to toss away or fix old code *right now*. Perhaps not; I don't take names as a rule and only respond to words within a post. Most mail clients and readers should be able to aptly show just who the response is/was to. > > And, if anything, it's myopic thinking to write code depending on > a deprecated extension in situations where you don't need to. Not if you don't intend to use that particular version yet. Change-over will come slowly (it's been a slow boat from China so far) . Being prepared and keeping track of the trends is definitely important. Anyone with a site they value at all should indeed be keeping track of trends AND where their server admin is; normally it's there to find. > >> And besides, mysql i isn't all that different from mysql, >> period. It's just not the Armageddon arrival as some are working >> so hard to point out. > > This is a ridiculous straw man. No, it's not, really. I don't mean a couple of editor search & destroys will fix it all up, but it's not that complex unless you have spaghetti to start with. Actually, IMO, it's a bit simpler in many areas. I often don't see the "why" of changes that are made, but then I'm not one of the authors either. At the moment, the 'i' version doesn't offer me anything I need and answers very few of my "wants". I really consider it a natural progression of "life". > >> If you want to help, TEACH ; otherwise phase out. > > What do you mean? What do you think trying to inform people about > best practices is all about? No one here is imposing mandates on > anyone. We can just offer the best advice as we're able, and it's > up to the OP and others who might read the advice to do with it > what they will. I mean, the chosen few who are pushing the line about change now or suffer are not doing anyone any kind of assistance. Blind statements and warnings without meat just aren't taken seriously. If one wants to spread they word then they also include anm authentic, realistic link or two to support their statements. So far I only recall one poster who did that, but only after this prodding started. > >> Forget the vague warnings and scenarios of web sites not working >> overnight. > > No one has written this. When I read Thomas's post upthread, for > example, it read as a helpful aside to me. It was quite clear and > concise. There's nothing vague about informing people about a > deprecated feature. Yes, it has been written and here in this thread. And I believe it IS vague when one makes such a statement without any kind of reference to a cite where factual information can be found. > > Again, no one has written that people's code will break overnight. Yes, they have; at least twice it's been brought up, maybe more because there are some posts I mostly skip over or don't even read like those from stuckle; he's all troll and nothing more in my books now. > > <snip> > >>> When giving people advice about writing code, it's helpful to >>> encourage the best possible practices. The mysql extension is >>> indeed deprecated, and people learning PHP ought to be made >>> well aware of this. >> >> True, and that should be your job; > > Usenet is not my job; No, if you're going to participate on Usenet, forums or whatever, you make it your job to be helpful and prevent erroneous impressions. If you wish to be paid for it, then I'm afraid you're in the wrong place. ... > > It's a helpful warning and is intended to give people time to > prepare however they choose. For some people, the concern probably > isn't immediate. That's fine. However, there's absolutely nothing > wrong with suggesting to beginners that they ought to use instead > mysqli or the PDO MySQL driver. Agreed ... Regards, Twayne`
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| From | Fiver <numeralfive@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-28 23:12 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working |
| Message-ID | <l27gn3$df2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #10926 |
On 2013-09-28 20:33, Twayne wrote: >>> Some even offer THREE I've come across in the past. DEPRECATED >>> means removed from a VERSION of the language, not ALL versions! >> >> No, deprecated means that a feature or practice > > (IN A VERSION OF THE APP IN QUESTION) [...] > But, unlike many, they are trying to say that the latest versions > with the deprecations is all that will suddenly be available! It's > just not true. Depreciation is not tied to any versions; the availability of a feature and E_DEPRECATED warnings about its status are. This seems to be the core of your misunderstanding. Depreciation of a feature is unrelated to individual releases. When the PHP project decides to deprecate mysql, it doesn't matter if you use an older or newer version, if your version issues warnings or not, or even if you use PHP at all - the status of the feature is always the same: deprecated, will be removed in a future version. What you do with this information is up to you. You've been warned by people in this group (and by the PHP manual) not to use mysql_* for new code. For some reason you decided to get all upset about it. As of version 5.5, PHP itself is issuing E_DEPRECATED warnings about the mysql extension. If your reaction is to turn the warnings off or rely on older PHP versions, you're making a mistake. So your hoster is nice enough to provide legacy PHP versions for you, fine, but even they will eventually get tired of it. Obligatory car analogy: when your "check engine" light is flashing, would you just keep driving and put a sticker over it, or would you do something about it? > Change-over will come slowly (it's been a slow boat from China so far) . Wonder why it's been so slow... could it be because some people can't be bothered to upgrade their code for years and years? regards, 5er
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 06:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working |
| Message-ID | <l28f2h$ngt$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #10928 |
On 28/09/13 22:12, Fiver wrote: > On 2013-09-28 20:33, Twayne wrote: > > >> Change-over will come slowly (it's been a slow boat from China so far) . > > Wonder why it's been so slow... could it be because some people can't be > bothered to upgrade their code for years and years? > Ask any COBOL and RPG programmer whether there is still work around.. > regards, > 5er > -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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| From | "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 10:39 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working |
| Message-ID | <slrnl4gicv.kov.hellsop@nibelheim.ninehells.com> |
| In reply to | #10929 |
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 06:50:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 28/09/13 22:12, Fiver wrote:
>> On 2013-09-28 20:33, Twayne wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Change-over will come slowly (it's been a slow boat from China so far) .
>>
>> Wonder why it's been so slow... could it be because some people can't be
>> bothered to upgrade their code for years and years?
>>
> Ask any COBOL and RPG programmer whether there is still work around..
Feh. The worst part is that there's a lot good to be said about modern
RPG, or even old RPG. The trick is getting to talk to something *other*
than databases
--
Usenet should require licenses; licenses that can be revoked.
-- Abigail
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 14:49 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working |
| Message-ID | <l29so7$i13$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #10931 |
On 9/29/2013 11:39 AM, Peter H. Coffin wrote: > On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 06:50:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 28/09/13 22:12, Fiver wrote: >>> On 2013-09-28 20:33, Twayne wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Change-over will come slowly (it's been a slow boat from China so far) . >>> >>> Wonder why it's been so slow... could it be because some people can't be >>> bothered to upgrade their code for years and years? >>> >> Ask any COBOL and RPG programmer whether there is still work around.. > > Feh. The worst part is that there's a lot good to be said about modern > RPG, or even old RPG. The trick is getting to talk to something *other* > than databases > RPG was never meant to talk to other than databases. It's original intent was to make it easy for non-programmers to generate reports from databases (which were pretty much flat files back in the 60's). Of course it's changed with technology, but AFAIK it's still designed for non-programmers to easily generate reports. I do admit it's been around 40 years since I've done any RPG programming, and don't remember much of what I did back then. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-24 23:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA245C49804EB3dougmilmaccom@78.46.70.116> |
| In reply to | #10837 |
richard <noreply@example.com> wrote in news:6tzjiffjaqy6.1rfg283mi0q9m.dlg@40tude.net:
> if ($go="go") {echo "x";}
Richard, how many times is this now that someone has had to remind you of the difference
between = and == ?
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| From | Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-24 18:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10g449dtlr6n0sjgquc143rvlebfbmr9fj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #10867 |
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:20:58 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
<doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> wrote:
>richard <noreply@example.com> wrote in news:6tzjiffjaqy6.1rfg283mi0q9m.dlg@40tude.net:
>
>> if ($go="go") {echo "x";}
>
>Richard, how many times is this now that someone has had to remind you of the difference
>between = and == ?
Please spell his name correctly ("richard").
Richard
(Who also makes the same coding error often enough, but not publicly,
so far.)
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| From | richard <noreply@example.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-24 22:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <gt8en988fqld.1wny9zdk3uwk5.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #10867 |
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:20:58 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller wrote:
> richard <noreply@example.com> wrote in news:6tzjiffjaqy6.1rfg283mi0q9m.dlg@40tude.net:
>
>> if ($go="go") {echo "x";}
>
> Richard, how many times is this now that someone has had to remind you of the difference
> between = and == ?
because it is one of those little things I keep forgetting.
Like a ; or some other minor syntax error.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-09-25 06:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l1trt1$849$2@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #10875 |
On 25/09/13 03:27, richard wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:20:58 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> richard <noreply@example.com> wrote in news:6tzjiffjaqy6.1rfg283mi0q9m.dlg@40tude.net:
>>
>>> if ($go="go") {echo "x";}
>>
>> Richard, how many times is this now that someone has had to remind you of the difference
>> between = and == ?
>
>
> because it is one of those little things I keep forgetting.
> Like a ; or some other minor syntax error.
>
why domnt you remember that you forget these things and check for them
FIRST like everyone else does.
--
Ineptocracy
(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.
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| From | David Robley <me@home.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-09-25 15:20 +0930 |
| Message-ID | <l1ttfv$nt8$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #10875 |
richard wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:20:58 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> richard <noreply@example.com> wrote in
>> news:6tzjiffjaqy6.1rfg283mi0q9m.dlg@40tude.net:
>>
>>> if ($go="go") {echo "x";}
>>
>> Richard, how many times is this now that someone has had to remind you of
>> the difference between = and == ?
>
>
> because it is one of those little things I keep forgetting.
> Like a ; or some other minor syntax error.
Here is a tip for you to manage this particular problem - reverse the order
of the test values; if you forget an = you'll trigger a syntax error.
if ("go" = $go) {echo "x";} // triggers an error
if ("go" == $go) {echo "x";} // works as expected
--
Cheers
David Robley
System halted. There is NOTHING you can do.
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| From | Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-26 20:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA247A7C34E407dougmilmaccom@78.46.70.116> |
| In reply to | #10882 |
David Robley <me@home.invalid> wrote in news:l1ttfv$nt8$1@news.albasani.net:
> richard wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:20:58 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller wrote:
>>
>>> richard <noreply@example.com> wrote in
>>> news:6tzjiffjaqy6.1rfg283mi0q9m.dlg@40tude.net:
>>>
>>>> if ($go="go") {echo "x";}
>>>
>>> Richard, how many times is this now that someone has had to remind you of
>>> the difference between = and == ?
>>
>>
>> because it is one of those little things I keep forgetting.
>> Like a ; or some other minor syntax error.
>
> Here is a tip for you to manage this particular problem - reverse the order
> of the test values; if you forget an = you'll trigger a syntax error.
>
> if ("go" = $go) {echo "x";} // triggers an error
Predictable result: richard posts here asking why he's getting the error.
> if ("go" == $go) {echo "x";} // works as expected
>
He can't remember the difference between = and ==, how do you expect him to remember
that?
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| From | Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-25 07:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l1u45h$55g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #10867 |
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:20:58 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
> richard <noreply@example.com> wrote in
> news:6tzjiffjaqy6.1rfg283mi0q9m.dlg@40tude.net:
>
>> if ($go="go") {echo "x";}
>
> Richard, how many times is this now that someone has had to remind you
> of the difference between = and == ?
I would try and count it, but I'm constrained by a 128 bit adder.
--
Denis McMahon, denismfmcmahon@gmail.com
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-09-25 09:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l1u5jh$7mo$2@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #10883 |
On 25/09/13 08:42, Denis McMahon wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:20:58 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> richard <noreply@example.com> wrote in
>> news:6tzjiffjaqy6.1rfg283mi0q9m.dlg@40tude.net:
>>
>>> if ($go="go") {echo "x";}
>>
>> Richard, how many times is this now that someone has had to remind you
>> of the difference between = and == ?
>
> I would try and count it, but I'm constrained by a 128 bit adder.
>
That's better than being bitten 128 times by an adder.
--
Ineptocracy
(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.
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| From | Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2013-09-25 06:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1ap5491nrpqi5a24humjv8avub0jh305ti@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #10885 |
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:07:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 25/09/13 08:42, Denis McMahon wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:20:58 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
>>
>>> richard <noreply@example.com> wrote in
>>> news:6tzjiffjaqy6.1rfg283mi0q9m.dlg@40tude.net:
>>>
>>>> if ($go="go") {echo "x";}
>>>
>>> Richard, how many times is this now that someone has had to remind you
>>> of the difference between = and == ?
>>
>> I would try and count it, but I'm constrained by a 128 bit adder.
>>
>That's better than being bitten 128 times by an adder.
Except that adders do not constrain. Constrictors do. So he might
better have said "but I'm constrained by a long Python."
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