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You deserve respect and I am NOT trying to take that, or credibility 
away from you. That said, I do have a couple of observations if you will:


On 2013-09-26 9:47 PM, Curtis Dyer wrote:
> Twayne wrote:
>
> [Twayne's quoted text below has been rewrapped]
>
>> On 2013-09-26 2:01 AM, Curtis Dyer wrote: ...
>>
>>> Arbitrary server admins don't determine when features of PHP
>>> become deprecated, the PHP development team does.
>>
>> Say WHAT?  ... what makes you think that current servers, which
>> almost all offer at least TWO versions of PHP to its users will
>> stop doing that?
>
> None of what I wrote has anything to do with this.

You also didn't offer any enlightenment on what you meant, nor the 
question.

If you are the author of the >>> comments above, then I think you did. 
Or do you consider the word "Arbitrary" as an out? Or that there can 
only be ONE meaning to PHP development team?
>
>> Some even offer THREE I've come across in the past.  DEPRECATED
>> means removed from a VERSION of the language, not ALL versions!
>
> No, deprecated means that a feature or practice

(IN A VERSION OF THE APP IN QUESTION)

  is considered
> dated in favor of something else, and that one should avoid using
> it, where possible.

Of course.


  It is by no means a strict mandate that you
> must never use the feature. (Although, you obviously can't use the
> feature whenever you move to the new version in which a deprecated
> feature is dropped.)
That's a little obvious, too. But, unlike many, they are trying to say 
that the latest versions with the deprecations is all that will suddenly 
be available! It's just not true.

>
>> And just who is going to force server admins to have a dictated
>> version of PHP available and no other?
>
> No one, but I never wrote or implied anything like that.
>
>> It's myopic crap-thinking like that, that gets my attention
>> here.
>
> It's not a big deal. If you're writing new code, today, there's no
> reason not to avoid using the mysql extension. That's all. I'm not
> warning to toss away or fix old code *right now*.

Perhaps not; I don't take names as a rule and only respond to words 
within a post. Most mail clients and readers should be able to aptly 
show just who the response is/was to.
>
> And, if anything, it's myopic thinking to write code depending on
> a deprecated extension in situations where you don't need to.

Not if you don't intend to use that particular version yet. Change-over 
will come slowly (it's been a slow boat from China so far) .  Being 
prepared and keeping track of the trends is definitely important. Anyone 
with a site they value at all should indeed be keeping track of trends 
AND where their server admin is; normally it's there to find.
>
>> And besides, mysql i isn't all that different from mysql,
>> period. It's just not the Armageddon arrival as some are working
>> so hard to point out.
>
> This is a ridiculous straw man.

No, it's not, really. I don't mean a couple of editor search & destroys 
will fix it all up, but it's not that complex unless you have spaghetti 
to start with. Actually, IMO, it's a bit simpler in many areas. I often 
don't see the "why" of changes that are made, but then I'm not one of 
the authors either. At the moment, the 'i' version doesn't offer me 
anything I need and answers very few of my "wants".  I really consider 
it a natural progression of "life".
>
>> If you want to help, TEACH ; otherwise phase out.
>
> What do you mean? What do you think trying to inform people about
> best practices is all about? No one here is imposing mandates on
> anyone. We can just offer the best advice as we're able, and it's
> up to the OP and others who might read the advice to do with it
> what they will.

I mean, the chosen few who are pushing the line about change now or 
suffer are not doing anyone any kind of assistance. Blind statements and 
warnings without meat just aren't taken seriously. If one wants to 
spread they word then they also include anm authentic, realistic link or 
two to support their statements. So far I only recall one poster who did 
that, but only after this prodding started.
>
>> Forget the vague warnings and scenarios of web sites not working
>> overnight.
>
> No one has written this. When I read Thomas's post upthread, for
> example, it read as a helpful aside to me. It was quite clear and
> concise. There's nothing vague about informing people about a
> deprecated feature.

Yes, it has been written and here in this thread. And I believe it IS 
vague when one makes such a statement without any kind of reference to a 
cite where factual information can be found.

>
> Again, no one has written that people's code will break overnight.

Yes, they have; at least twice it's been brought up, maybe more because 
there are some posts I mostly skip over or don't even read like those 
from stuckle; he's all troll and nothing more in my books now.
>
> <snip>
>
>>> When giving people advice about writing code, it's helpful to
>>> encourage the best possible practices. The mysql extension is
>>> indeed deprecated, and people learning PHP ought to be made
>>> well aware of this.
>>
>> True, and that should be your job;
>
> Usenet is not my job;

No, if you're going to participate on Usenet, forums or whatever, you 
make it your job to be helpful and prevent erroneous impressions. If you 
wish to  be paid for it, then I'm afraid you're in the wrong place.

...
>
> It's a helpful warning and is intended to give people time to
> prepare however they choose. For some people, the concern probably
> isn't immediate. That's fine. However, there's absolutely nothing
> wrong with suggesting to beginners that they ought to use instead
> mysqli or the PDO MySQL driver.

Agreed

...

Regards,

Twayne`

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  Re: part 2 - file exists not working David Robley <me@home.invalid> - 2013-09-24 10:16 +0930
    Re: part 2 - file exists not working Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2013-09-23 22:07 -0400
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        Re: part 2 - file exists not working David Robley <me@home.invalid> - 2013-09-24 17:19 +0930
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                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-24 18:51 -0400
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-24 19:10 +0000
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-24 19:08 -0400
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-24 18:39 -0700
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-09-24 22:17 -0500
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-26 17:20 -0400
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-26 15:43 -0700
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-09-26 19:43 -0400
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-09-24 18:54 -0700
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-26 17:39 -0400
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-26 15:47 -0700
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-28 13:58 -0400
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-28 11:45 -0700
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-09-25 09:01 +0100
              Re: part 2 - file exists not working Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-09-24 18:54 +0200
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-09-24 18:30 +0100
              Re: part 2 - file exists not working Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-09-24 15:40 -0700
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-24 19:14 -0400
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-24 18:43 -0700
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-26 17:42 -0400
              Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-24 18:50 -0400
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-09-24 18:56 -0700
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Curtis Dyer <dyer85@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 06:01 +0000
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-26 18:04 -0400
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Curtis Dyer <dyer85@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 01:47 +0000
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-09-26 22:56 -0400
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-26 20:11 -0700
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-09-26 23:41 -0400
                Re: part 2 - file exists not working Curtis Dyer <dyer85@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 06:04 +0000
                OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-28 14:33 -0400
                Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working Fiver <numeralfive@gmail.com> - 2013-09-28 23:12 +0200
                Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-29 06:50 +0100
                Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-09-29 10:39 -0500
                Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-09-29 14:49 -0400
  Re: part 2 - file exists not working Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-09-24 23:20 +0000
    Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-24 18:46 -0700
    Re: part 2 - file exists not working richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-09-24 22:27 -0400
      Re: part 2 - file exists not working The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-25 06:21 +0100
      Re: part 2 - file exists not working David Robley <me@home.invalid> - 2013-09-25 15:20 +0930
        Re: part 2 - file exists not working Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-09-26 20:30 +0000
    Re: part 2 - file exists not working Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-25 07:42 +0000
      Re: part 2 - file exists not working The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-25 09:07 +0100
        Re: part 2 - file exists not working Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-09-25 06:29 -0700
          Re: part 2 - file exists not working The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-25 15:09 +0100

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