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  How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue sismaster <singh.ranalko@gmail.com> - 2012-08-21 22:18 -0700
    Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-22 06:43 -0400
      Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2012-08-22 06:06 -0500
        Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-22 08:17 -0400
        Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-08-23 00:36 +0200
          Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-08-23 00:54 +0100
          Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-23 11:03 -0400
            Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2012-08-23 11:10 -0700
              Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-08-24 00:27 +0200
                Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-08-23 23:41 +0100
                  Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-08-23 23:43 +0100
                  Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-23 20:05 -0400
                  Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Bertrand Mayesky <not.a@real.adress.com> - 2012-08-24 21:42 +0000
                    Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-08-25 00:22 +0200
                    Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-24 19:37 -0400
                      Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-08-25 10:30 +1000
                        Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-24 22:39 -0400
                        Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-08-25 13:17 +0200
                          Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-25 09:38 -0400
                          Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2012-08-25 13:34 -0500
                            Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-25 14:59 -0400
                            Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2012-08-25 14:13 -0500
                              Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-25 16:23 -0400
                              Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-08-26 20:33 +0200
                            Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-08-26 20:32 +0200
                              Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-26 19:49 -0400
                    Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-08-25 00:45 +0100
                Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-23 20:03 -0400
            Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-08-26 15:46 +0200
              Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-26 10:41 -0400
                Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-08-26 17:42 +0200
                  Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-08-26 19:02 +0100
                  Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-26 19:52 -0400
                    Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-08-27 02:59 +0200
                      Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-26 21:28 -0400
                    Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue mavigozler <mavigozler@turkiye.gov.invalid> - 2012-08-27 04:47 +0000
                      Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-27 10:17 +0100
                        Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue mavigozler <mavigozler@turkiye.gov.invalid> - 2012-08-27 11:32 +0000
                          Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-27 12:49 +0100
                          Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2012-08-27 22:46 +0000
                            Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-08-27 23:51 +0100
                              Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-08-27 21:00 -0400
              Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2012-08-26 10:35 -0500
                Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i  see what object inclue Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-08-26 18:53 +0200
                  Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-08-26 20:47 +0200
                  Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-26 22:59 +0100
                    Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-08-27 00:20 +0200
    Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object  how can i see what object inclue Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 01:46 +0000

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#6824 — How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue

i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is there any tool to see what object contains 

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#6826

On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is there any tool to see what object contains
>

PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They cannot 
"see" each other.

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#6827 — Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue

At Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:43:23 -0400 Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

> 
> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
> > i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is there any tool to see what object contains
> >
> 
> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They cannot 
> "see" each other.

That said, there are DOM, HTML, XML, and JavaScript debuggers available
as web-browser plugins.  Firebug for Firefox is one.

> 

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#6828 — Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue

On 8/22/2012 7:06 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:43:23 -0400 Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>
>>
>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They cannot
>> "see" each other.
>
> That said, there are DOM, HTML, XML, and JavaScript debuggers available
> as web-browser plugins.  Firebug for Firefox is one.
>
>>
>

None of which have anything to do with PHP - which is the subject of 
this newsgroup.

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#6829 — Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue

Robert Heller wrote:

> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>> > i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is
>> > there any tool to see what object contains
>> 
>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They cannot
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                           ^^^^^^^^^^
>> "see" each other.

Wrong on both accounts.
 
> That said, there are DOM, HTML, XML, and JavaScript debuggers available
> as web-browser plugins.  Firebug for Firefox is one.

And it should be noted that there is the FirePHP extension for Firebug, 
which can help with PHP debugging:

<http://www.firephp.org/>

The FirePHP port for Chromium/Chrome is supposed to be a Chrome extension 
called Webug, and apparently there is an improvement using a newer API, but 
I have not tried any of those yet:

<https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cjbeipenlpoeifpkjhgakejmikdhlhcj>
<http://blog.martinhujer.cz/firephp-for-google-chrome/>


PointedEars
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a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

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#6830 — Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Robert Heller wrote:
> 
>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is
>>>> there any tool to see what object contains
>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They cannot
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^
>>> "see" each other.
> 
> Wrong on both accounts.

Only by exception. The rule is as above.

>  
>> That said, there are DOM, HTML, XML, and JavaScript debuggers available
>> as web-browser plugins.  Firebug for Firefox is one.
> 
> And it should be noted that there is the FirePHP extension for Firebug, 
> which can help with PHP debugging:
> 
> <http://www.firephp.org/>
> 
> The FirePHP port for Chromium/Chrome is supposed to be a Chrome extension 
> called Webug, and apparently there is an improvement using a newer API, but 
> I have not tried any of those yet:
> 
> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cjbeipenlpoeifpkjhgakejmikdhlhcj>
> <http://blog.martinhujer.cz/firephp-for-google-chrome/>
> 
> 
> PointedEars


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#6832 — Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue

On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Robert Heller wrote:
>
>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is
>>>> there any tool to see what object contains
>>>
>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They cannot
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                             ^^^^^^^^^^
>>> "see" each other.
>
> Wrong on both accounts.
>
>> That said, there are DOM, HTML, XML, and JavaScript debuggers available
>> as web-browser plugins.  Firebug for Firefox is one.
>
> And it should be noted that there is the FirePHP extension for Firebug,
> which can help with PHP debugging:
>
> <http://www.firephp.org/>
>
> The FirePHP port for Chromium/Chrome is supposed to be a Chrome extension
> called Webug, and apparently there is an improvement using a newer API, but
> I have not tried any of those yet:
>
> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cjbeipenlpoeifpkjhgakejmikdhlhcj>
> <http://blog.martinhujer.cz/firephp-for-google-chrome/>
>
>
> PointedEars
>

ROFLMAO!  "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.

So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
And how many servers are actually running Javascript?

And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?

You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.

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#6833 — Re: How can i know the propery of a javascript object how can i see what object inclue

On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>
>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and is
>>>>> there any tool to see what object contains
>>>>
>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They cannot
>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> "see" each other.
>>
>> Wrong on both accounts.
>>
>>> That said, there are DOM, HTML, XML, and JavaScript debuggers available
>>> as web-browser plugins.  Firebug for Firefox is one.
>>
>> And it should be noted that there is the FirePHP extension for Firebug,
>> which can help with PHP debugging:
>>
>> <http://www.firephp.org/>
>>
>> The FirePHP port for Chromium/Chrome is supposed to be a Chrome extension
>> called Webug, and apparently there is an improvement using a newer
>> API, but
>> I have not tried any of those yet:
>>
>> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cjbeipenlpoeifpkjhgakejmikdhlhcj>
>>
>> <http://blog.martinhujer.cz/firephp-for-google-chrome/>
>>
>>
>> PointedEars
>>
>
> ROFLMAO!  "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>
> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>
> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>
> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>

*Gets the microwave popcorn ready

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#6834

Scott Johnson wrote:

> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and
>>>>>> is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>>>
>>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They cannot
>>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> "see" each other.
>>>
>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>> 
>> [snip mindless full quote]
>> ROFLMAO!  "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>
>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>
>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>
>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
> 
> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready

Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.


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#6835

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Scott Johnson wrote:
> 
>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and
>>>>>>> is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They cannot
>>>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>> "see" each other.
>>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>>> ROFLMAO!  "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>>
>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>
>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>
>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
> 
> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
> 
> 
> PointedEars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript

"Server-side JavaScript

Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side 
scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December, 
1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the 
mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript 
implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side 
JavaScript being used in real-world applications."

http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx

"..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new 
perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo 
Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval() 
function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to 
what the server-side looks like ... "

So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)



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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the 
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are 
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a 
diminishing number of producers.

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#6836

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>>>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and
>>>>>>>> is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They cannot
>>>>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>> "see" each other.
>>>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>>>> ROFLMAO!  "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>>>
>>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>>
>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>>
>>
>> PointedEars
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
> 
> "Server-side JavaScript
> 
> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side 
> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December, 
> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the 
> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript 
> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side 
> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
> 
> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
> 
> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new 
> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo 
> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval() 
> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to 
> what the server-side looks like ... "
> 
> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
> 
> 
> 
I meant to add "as opposed to jerrykins, who is, as usual, wrong, as 
*well* as being supremely unhelpful..."




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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the 
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are 
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a 
diminishing number of producers.

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#6839

On 8/23/2012 6:41 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>>>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script and
>>>>>>>> is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They cannot
>>>>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>> "see" each other.
>>>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>>>> ROFLMAO!  "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>>>
>>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>>
>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>>
>>
>> PointedEars
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
>
> "Server-side JavaScript
>
> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
>
> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
>
> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
> what the server-side looks like ... "
>
> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
>
>
>

So, answer my questions.  Which browsers support PHP?  And how many 
servers are running javascript?

And most of all - how can PHP see which objects are included in Javascript?

Or is your head where the sun doesn't shine also (it usually is)?

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#6840

Le Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:41:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher a écrit :

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>>>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>>>>>>>> and is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They
>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>> "see" each other.
>>>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>>>> ROFLMAO!  "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>>>
>>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>> 
>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>> 
>> 
>> PointedEars
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
> 
> "Server-side JavaScript
> 
> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
> 
> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
> 
> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
> what the server-side looks like ... "
> 
> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)

I'm sure that PointedEars is not correct: the client structure cannot be 
natively seen by the server and vice versa. 
It is not a matter of programming language: they do not share the same 
data space as it is in the client-server paradigm. 

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#6841

Bertrand Mayesky wrote:

> Le Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:41:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher a écrit :
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>>>>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>>>>>>>>> and is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>>>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They
>>>>>>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>                           ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>> cannot "see" each other.
>>>>>> Wrong on both accounts.
> […]
> I'm sure that PointedEars is not correct: the client structure cannot be
> natively seen by the server and vice versa.

Of course, that is mistakenly assuming that I stated such nonsense in the 
first place.  Automatic line-wrapping when they were quoted, moved the 
markings and obscured the message.  Fixed here (as always, use a fixed-width 
font on Usenet to see it).  I am not entirely sure what you mean by "client 
structure" and "natively seen", though.

As for Wikipedia, I must recommend extreme caution particularly on this 
subject.  Due to the intended beginner's language nature of ECMAScript 
implementations, and a stream of beginners getting overconfident because of 
early success, more than 90% written about this subject, and using the 
corresponding languages, on the Web and elsewhere is utter nonsense.  (This 
includes books.)  Unfortunately, the Wikipedia articles about it are no 
exception, and given the number of wannabes, correction of them on my part, 
for example, is not likely to have a lasting effect.  If you want to learn 
something about this, subscribe to comp.lang.javascript instead.

> It is not a matter of programming language: they do not share the same
> data space as it is in the client-server paradigm.

I am not sure what the second part of this statement is supposed to mean 
with regard to this dispute: This (the Web) certainly is a good example of 
the client-server _model_ (the browser providing the HTTP client, the Web 
server the HTTP server), and there is no *implicit* sharing of data space 
there.  Only the first part of the statement is certainly correct.


PointedEars
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who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not
the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript.
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#6843

On 8/24/2012 5:42 PM, Bertrand Mayesky wrote:
> Le Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:41:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher a écrit :
>
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>>>>>>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>>>>>>>>> and is there any tool to see what object contains
>>>>>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They
>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>                              ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>> "see" each other.
>>>>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>>>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>>>>> ROFLMAO!  "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>>>>>
>>>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>>>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>>>>>
>>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>>>>>
>>>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>>>
>>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>>>
>>>
>>> PointedEars
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
>>
>> "Server-side JavaScript
>>
>> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
>> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
>> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
>> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
>> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
>> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
>>
>> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
>>
>> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
>> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
>> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
>> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
>> what the server-side looks like ... "
>>
>> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
>
> I'm sure that PointedEars is not correct: the client structure cannot be
> natively seen by the server and vice versa.
> It is not a matter of programming language: they do not share the same
> data space as it is in the client-server paradigm.
>

Yes, but Pointed Head will argue with you until the universe ends. 
However, he won't specify HOW it can work - because it won't.  He'll 
just call you a troll and say he won't feed you.

But then Pointed Head is a well-known troll in several newsgroups (where 
he does the same thing).

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#6845

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:37:00 -0400, in comp.lang.php Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attglobal.net>
<k1936v$kjh$1@dont-email.me> wrote:

>| On 8/24/2012 5:42 PM, Bertrand Mayesky wrote:
>| > Le Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:41:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher a écrit :
>| >
>| >> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>| >>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>| >>>
>| >>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>| >>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>| >>>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>| >>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>| >>>>>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>| >>>>>>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>| >>>>>>>>> and is there any tool to see what object contains
>| >>>>>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They
>| >>>>>>>> cannot
>| >>>>>>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>| >>>>>>                              ^^^^^^^^^^
>| >>>>>>>> "see" each other.
>| >>>>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>| >>>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>| >>>>> ROFLMAO!  "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>| >>>>>
>| >>>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>| >>>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>| >>>>>
>| >>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>| >>>>>
>| >>>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>| >>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>| >>>
>| >>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>| >>>
>| >>>
>| >>> PointedEars
>| >>
>| >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
>| >>
>| >> "Server-side JavaScript
>| >>
>| >> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
>| >> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
>| >> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
>| >> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
>| >> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
>| >> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
>| >>
>| >> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
>| >>
>| >> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
>| >> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
>| >> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
>| >> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
>| >> what the server-side looks like ... "
>| >>
>| >> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
>| >
>| > I'm sure that PointedEars is not correct: the client structure cannot be
>| > natively seen by the server and vice versa.
>| > It is not a matter of programming language: they do not share the same
>| > data space as it is in the client-server paradigm.
>| >
>| 
>| Yes, but Pointed Head will argue with you until the universe ends. 
>| However, he won't specify HOW it can work - because it won't.  He'll 
>| just call you a troll and say he won't feed you.
>| 
>| But then Pointed Head is a well-known troll in several newsgroups (where 
>| he does the same thing).

Both of you are right and wrong.

If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
http://www.firephp.org/

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#6847

On 8/24/2012 8:30 PM, Jeff North wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:37:00 -0400, in comp.lang.php Jerry Stuckle
> <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
> <k1936v$kjh$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> | On 8/24/2012 5:42 PM, Bertrand Mayesky wrote:
>> | > Le Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:41:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher a écrit :
>> | >
>> | >> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> | >>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>> | >>>
>> | >>>> On 8/23/2012 8:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> | >>>>> On 8/22/2012 6:36 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> | >>>>>> Robert Heller wrote:
>> | >>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> | >>>>>>>> On 8/22/2012 1:18 AM, sismaster wrote:
>> | >>>>>>>>> i want to know how can i see what object include in java script
>> | >>>>>>>>> and is there any tool to see what object contains
>> | >>>>>>>> PHP runs on the server; Javascript runs on the client.  They
>> | >>>>>>>> cannot
>> | >>>>>>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> | >>>>>>                              ^^^^^^^^^^
>> | >>>>>>>> "see" each other.
>> | >>>>>> Wrong on both accounts.
>> | >>>>> [snip mindless full quote]
>> | >>>>> ROFLMAO!  "Pointed Head" shows his stoopidity once again.
>> | >>>>>
>> | >>>>> So tell me, oh great one, exactly which browsers can run PHP code?
>> | >>>>> And how many servers are actually running Javascript?
>> | >>>>>
>> | >>>>> And how can PHP see what objects are included in Javascript?
>> | >>>>>
>> | >>>>> You have all the answers - these should be easy for you.
>> | >>>> *Gets the microwave popcorn ready
>> | >>>
>> | >>> Don't hold your breath, I try not to feed trolls.
>> | >>>
>> | >>>
>> | >>> PointedEars
>> | >>
>> | >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
>> | >>
>> | >> "Server-side JavaScript
>> | >>
>> | >> Netscape introduced an implementation of the language for server-side
>> | >> scripting with Netscape Enterprise Server, first released in December,
>> | >> 1994 (soon after releasing JavaScript for browsers).[14][15] Since the
>> | >> mid-2000s, there has been a proliferation of server-side JavaScript
>> | >> implementations. node.js is one recent notable example of server-side
>> | >> JavaScript being used in real-world applications."
>> | >>
>> | >> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx
>> | >>
>> | >> "..Technology has also empowered "certain programmers" to create new
>> | >> perversions in information technology never imagined before. Gustavo
>> | >> Carvalho discovered what happens when XMLHttpRequest and the Eval()
>> | >> function in PHP are combined. I'll leave it to your immagination as to
>> | >> what the server-side looks like ... "
>> | >>
>> | >> So as usual Pointed ears is correct, but supremely unhelpful :-)
>> | >
>> | > I'm sure that PointedEars is not correct: the client structure cannot be
>> | > natively seen by the server and vice versa.
>> | > It is not a matter of programming language: they do not share the same
>> | > data space as it is in the client-server paradigm.
>> | >
>> |
>> | Yes, but Pointed Head will argue with you until the universe ends.
>> | However, he won't specify HOW it can work - because it won't.  He'll
>> | just call you a troll and say he won't feed you.
>> |
>> | But then Pointed Head is a well-known troll in several newsgroups (where
>> | he does the same thing).
>
> Both of you are right and wrong.
>
> If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
> http://www.firephp.org/
>

Did you read what it actually does?  Do you understand it?

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#6848

Jeff North wrote:

> Both of you are right and wrong.

That depends on what the question is, which is not at all clear here.

> If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
> http://www.firephp.org/

Or they could read my postings; I have pointed out FirePHP in my first 
followup two days ago already.  However, ISTM that this "discussion" came 
about is that 1. the original question is gibberish, which can be 
interpreted in multiple ways, and 2. that quoting distorted my first 
followup.

Please trim your quotes to the relevant minimum.


PointedEars
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Prototype.js was written by people who don't know javascript for people
who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not
the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript.
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#6849

On 8/25/2012 7:17 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Jeff North wrote:
>
>> Both of you are right and wrong.
>
> That depends on what the question is, which is not at all clear here.
>
>> If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
>> http://www.firephp.org/
>
> Or they could read my postings; I have pointed out FirePHP in my first
> followup two days ago already.  However, ISTM that this "discussion" came
> about is that 1. the original question is gibberish, which can be
> interpreted in multiple ways, and 2. that quoting distorted my first
> followup.
>
> Please trim your quotes to the relevant minimum.
>
>
> PointedEars
>

Yes, you have once again proven you have no idea what you're talking 
about.  All you can do is google for some keywords and post things - 
without understanding just what they do.

Such is the life of an ignorant troll.

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#6850

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:17:31 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Jeff North wrote:
>
>> Both of you are right and wrong.
>
> That depends on what the question is, which is not at all clear here.
>
>> If ppl took (literally) 2 seconds to do a search you would find:
>> http://www.firephp.org/
>
> Or they could read my postings; I have pointed out FirePHP in my first 
> followup two days ago already.  However, ISTM that this "discussion" came 
> about is that 1. the original question is gibberish, which can be 
> interpreted in multiple ways, and 2. that quoting distorted my first 
> followup.

Yeah, you don't wanna try to take credit for that. FirePHP is a bundle
of code that allows PHP programs running on a server to send stuff to
FireBug, a javascript debugger running in FireFox, as a client. Which
may aid in debugging the interaction between PHP server programs and
client Javascript. Which is nifty, useful, and entirely supporting
the point you're trying to argue against.

-- 
    "Meet it is I set it down
    That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain"

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