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Books? "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> - 2012-03-14 14:37 -0400
Re: Books? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-14 19:19 +0000
Re: Books? "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> - 2012-03-14 21:27 -0400
Re: Books? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-15 03:51 +0000
Re: Books? Paul Herber <paul@pherber.com> - 2012-03-15 10:03 +0000
Re: Books? "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> - 2012-03-15 14:12 -0400
Re: Books? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-03-15 10:07 +0100
Re: Books? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-15 15:54 +0000
Re: Books? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-03-15 20:04 +0100
Re: Books? Call Me Tom <noemail@nowhere.com> - 2012-03-15 18:23 -0400
Re: Books? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-15 23:36 +0000
Re: Books? Call Me Tom <noemail@nowhere.com> - 2012-03-15 20:53 -0400
Re: Books? Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2012-03-16 14:07 +0100
Re: Books? Call Me Tom <noemail@nowhere.com> - 2012-03-16 16:17 -0400
Re: Books? "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> - 2012-03-16 21:57 -0430
Re: Books? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-16 09:57 +0000
Re: Books? Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2012-03-15 05:54 -0700
Re: Books? "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> - 2012-03-15 14:14 -0400
Re: Books? "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> - 2012-03-16 21:29 -0400
Re: Books? Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2012-03-17 16:25 +0100
Re: Books? "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> - 2012-03-17 19:31 -0400
Re: Books? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-03-18 17:34 +0100
Re: Books? macca <ptmcnally@googlemail.com> - 2012-03-19 10:32 -0700
Re: Books? "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> - 2012-03-19 21:39 -0400
Re: Books? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-03-20 09:47 +0100
Re: Books? "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-03-20 10:19 +0100
Re: Books? Burnsy <jburns131@gmail.com> - 2012-03-31 12:59 -0400
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| From | "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-14 14:37 -0400 |
| Subject | Books? |
| Message-ID | <8sGdneILNJwueP3SnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on PHP.net and it looks pretty basic. W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-03-14 19:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <jjqr0i$vg$4@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #5152 |
Christopher M. wrote: > What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on PHP.net and it > looks pretty basic. > What more do you need? > > W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.) > > -- To people who know nothing, anything is possible. To people who know too much, it is a sad fact that they know how little is really possible - and how hard it is to achieve it.
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| From | "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-14 21:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <aMudnf8yuMwr2PzSnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #5153 |
"The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:jjqr0i$vg$4@news.albasani.net... > Christopher M. wrote: >> What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on PHP.net and >> it looks pretty basic. >> > > What more do you need? Well, I was hoping to find something with a certain depth that would show how to declare an array such as: $myobject[] = new myclass(); W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 03:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <jjrp0e$hut$4@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #5154 |
Christopher M. wrote: > "The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:jjqr0i$vg$4@news.albasani.net... >> Christopher M. wrote: >>> What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on PHP.net and >>> it looks pretty basic. >>> >> What more do you need? > > Well, I was hoping to find something with a certain depth that would show > how to declare an array such as: > $myobject[] = new myclass(); > > Well it looks like you just did.. :-) > W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.) > > > -- To people who know nothing, anything is possible. To people who know too much, it is a sad fact that they know how little is really possible - and how hard it is to achieve it.
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| From | Paul Herber <paul@pherber.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 10:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rhf3m7pqad93ob0o21mp7mfua6gtko8qis@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #5154 |
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:27:35 -0400, "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> wrote: > >"The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message >news:jjqr0i$vg$4@news.albasani.net... >> Christopher M. wrote: >>> What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on PHP.net and >>> it looks pretty basic. >>> >> >> What more do you need? > >Well, I was hoping to find something with a certain depth that would show >how to declare an array such as: >$myobject[] = new myclass(); O'Reilly's PHP Cookbook is worth looking at. -- Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd. http://www.sandrila.co.uk/
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| From | "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 14:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5I2dnem3Jva0rP_SnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #5157 |
Paul Herber wrote: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:27:35 -0400, "Christopher M." > <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> wrote: > >> >> "The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message >> news:jjqr0i$vg$4@news.albasani.net... >>> Christopher M. wrote: >>>> What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on >>>> PHP.net and it looks pretty basic. >>>> >>> >>> What more do you need? >> >> Well, I was hoping to find something with a certain depth that would >> show how to declare an array such as: >> $myobject[] = new myclass(); > > O'Reilly's PHP Cookbook is worth looking at. Thanks, dude. You rock. W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)
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| From | "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 10:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <9sdprfFf39U1@mid.uni-berlin.de> |
| In reply to | #5152 |
Am 14.03.2012 19:37, schrieb Christopher M.: > What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on PHP.net and it > looks pretty basic. > > > W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.) The "philosopher" is generally against books, he will tell you you don't need one. I think you always can learn "something" even from a mediocre book, and you need all kinds of input you can get to learn a programming language. I have yet to find a good book on PHP. The social environment of PHP has led to a deluge of beginner books. Maybe http://www.codewalkers.com/c/b/PHP-Book-Reviews/ gives some clues. /Str.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 15:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <jjt3c1$72b$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #5156 |
M. Strobel wrote: > Am 14.03.2012 19:37, schrieb Christopher M.: >> What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on PHP.net and it >> looks pretty basic. >> >> >> W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.) > > The "philosopher" is generally against books, he will tell you you don't need one. > I am not 'generally against books'. But...if you already know how to program, a language reference is all you need, and if you don't already know how to program, is PHP the place to be starting? But as you say.. " The social environment of PHP has led to a deluge of beginner books." and if thats what the OP wants fair enough - "hello world" in PHP? -- To people who know nothing, anything is possible. To people who know too much, it is a sad fact that they know how little is really possible - and how hard it is to achieve it.
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| From | "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 20:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <9sesp1Fs4bU1@mid.uni-berlin.de> |
| In reply to | #5159 |
Am 15.03.2012 16:54, schrieb The Natural Philosopher: > M. Strobel wrote: >> Am 14.03.2012 19:37, schrieb Christopher M.: >>> What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on PHP.net and it looks >>> pretty basic. >>> >>> >>> W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.) >> >> The "philosopher" is generally against books, he will tell you you don't need one. >> > > I am not 'generally against books'. My apologies. I confounded you for a moment with Mr. Spock. /Str.
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| From | Call Me Tom <noemail@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 18:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <snq4m7djqvu4em424v5bs5rj7qjbv7o5ta@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #5159 |
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:54:41 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: [SNIP] > >I am not 'generally against books'. But...if you already know how to >program, a language reference is all you need, and if you don't already >know how to program, is PHP the place to be starting? [SNIP] Fair Enough. I am interested in learning how to program. I want to learn from home. Where do you suggest I begin?
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 23:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <timstreater-FCEE4E.23363415032012@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #5164 |
In article <snq4m7djqvu4em424v5bs5rj7qjbv7o5ta@4ax.com>, Call Me Tom <noemail@nowhere.com> wrote: > On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:54:41 +0000, The Natural Philosopher > <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > [SNIP] > > > >I am not 'generally against books'. But...if you already know how to > >program, a language reference is all you need, and if you don't already > >know how to program, is PHP the place to be starting? > [SNIP] > > Fair Enough. I am interested in learning how to program. I want to > learn from home. Where do you suggest I begin? You mean you know nothing at all about programming? -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | Call Me Tom <noemail@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 20:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <im25m7t90gimgiqmajsvd6lfeo3mifkfq6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #5165 |
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 23:36:34 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >In article <snq4m7djqvu4em424v5bs5rj7qjbv7o5ta@4ax.com>, > Call Me Tom <noemail@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:54:41 +0000, The Natural Philosopher >> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> [SNIP] >> > >> >I am not 'generally against books'. But...if you already know how to >> >program, a language reference is all you need, and if you don't already >> >know how to program, is PHP the place to be starting? >> [SNIP] >> >> Fair Enough. I am interested in learning how to program. I want to >> learn from home. Where do you suggest I begin? > >You mean you know nothing at all about programming? Tim, I have created a website with PHP/MySQL ( corporateairamerica.com ). I would say I did it by manipulating portions of the language. Good programming techniques would be coincidental. While the site works, I'm sure a professional programmer would see many problems. I do this as a hobby, not a profession. However, I would like to do it right. Tom
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| From | Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> |
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| Date | 2012-03-16 14:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <4f633af9$0$6988$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #5166 |
On 3/16/2012 1:53 AM, Call Me Tom wrote: > On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 23:36:34 +0000, Tim Streater > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > >> In article<snq4m7djqvu4em424v5bs5rj7qjbv7o5ta@4ax.com>, >> Call Me Tom<noemail@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:54:41 +0000, The Natural Philosopher >>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> [SNIP] >>>> >>>> I am not 'generally against books'. But...if you already know how to >>>> program, a language reference is all you need, and if you don't already >>>> know how to program, is PHP the place to be starting? >>> [SNIP] >>> >>> Fair Enough. I am interested in learning how to program. I want to >>> learn from home. Where do you suggest I begin? >> >> You mean you know nothing at all about programming? > > Tim, > > I have created a website with PHP/MySQL ( corporateairamerica.com ). > > I would say I did it by manipulating portions of the language. Good > programming techniques would be coincidental. While the site works, > I'm sure a professional programmer would see many problems. I do this > as a hobby, not a profession. However, I would like to do it right. > > Tom Hi Tom, I think you can do thousands of roads. It really depends on what you want to achieve. A few considerations for you that pop into my head that are general in nature: Pick a language: Are you sure you want to study PHP further? Why not C or C++ or Java or etc.etc.? If you want to focus on webtechnology, there is also MS dotnet and Ruby On Rails, and etc.etc. Not that I want to send you elsewhere. :-) But why do you pick PHP? Because it is easy? I know it is very hard to tell upfront what language is good for you (since you don't know the others), but it certainly is worth some thought. PHP is very web focussed. You will never write a device driver in PHP, or a cool piece of 3D graphics software. But for the web, PHP is very good. Framework or no Framework? These days many people work with frameworks. Frameworks have the advantage of hiding complexity, but they add bureaucracy, in some cases to the level that programming is no fun anymore, a situation that should be avoided at all costs. If you want to learn, I suggest you do it without frameworks. Later on, when you made a lot of costly mistakes, you will be in a much better position to decide if you need one (or even write your own.). Try to work modular/components/objects. I express myself vaguely on purpose. Bottonline: If you think you solved some particular problem do the following: 1) sit back and take a cup of coffee. 2) Try to describe what you just did. What kind of input are you taking? What problem did you solve? WHat types of output can you produce? etc. 3) Pull the thing OUT of your code, and make a class for it, or a function, or whatever suits your needs. Then use that new component from within your code. Also: Document it, store it somewhere where you can find it, preferably with some clear description attached to it. You don't want to wander through your "clever classes" directory and see names like: Test23_ver2 MyGodmodule MyEmailer_ver2(I think) myEmailer Emailer etc. If you do this right, you will end up with a bunch of classes and functions you will be proud of. You can even add funky stuff like unittesting later on. And last: Let others review your code. Let others review your code! (3 times more) Simply post in here a function, even a whole script, or some approach you have just finished, and ask for opinions. Don't use an online forum, most I have seen are poor and filled with people who want to score karma-points or some other useless nonsense. This group is pretty good. There exist as many programming-styles as there are programmers. Nonetheless, you will make rookie-mistakes, and more experienced programmers will catch them easily (mostly because they made the same mistakes themselves earlier.). Don't be shy and remember most experienced programmers became experienced by having their OWN code reviewed (in a public forum or in private, doesn't matter). For example: Do you really need to have your website screwed up by some SQL injection to learn to escape your input? Of course not: if somebody tells you how that works, and you understand it, it comes natural. But first you must have heard of the concept SQL injection. Oh well, I talk too much. :-) Good luck. Regards, Erwin Moller -- "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens
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| From | Call Me Tom <noemail@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-16 16:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ll77m7tb5vc8ijqf06vt9a5h354ocp1tjo@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #5168 |
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:07:15 +0100, Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> wrote: >On 3/16/2012 1:53 AM, Call Me Tom wrote: >> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 23:36:34 +0000, Tim Streater >> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >> >>> In article<snq4m7djqvu4em424v5bs5rj7qjbv7o5ta@4ax.com>, >>> Call Me Tom<noemail@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:54:41 +0000, The Natural Philosopher >>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>> [SNIP] >>>>> >>>>> I am not 'generally against books'. But...if you already know how to >>>>> program, a language reference is all you need, and if you don't already >>>>> know how to program, is PHP the place to be starting? >>>> [SNIP] >>>> >>>> Fair Enough. I am interested in learning how to program. I want to >>>> learn from home. Where do you suggest I begin? >>> >>> You mean you know nothing at all about programming? >> >> Tim, >> >> I have created a website with PHP/MySQL ( corporateairamerica.com ). >> >> I would say I did it by manipulating portions of the language. Good >> programming techniques would be coincidental. While the site works, >> I'm sure a professional programmer would see many problems. I do this >> as a hobby, not a profession. However, I would like to do it right. >> >> Tom > >Hi Tom, > >I think you can do thousands of roads. >It really depends on what you want to achieve. > >A few considerations for you that pop into my head that are general in >nature: > >Pick a language: >Are you sure you want to study PHP further? >Why not C or C++ or Java or etc.etc.? >If you want to focus on webtechnology, there is also MS dotnet and Ruby >On Rails, and etc.etc. >Not that I want to send you elsewhere. :-) >But why do you pick PHP? Because it is easy? >I know it is very hard to tell upfront what language is good for you >(since you don't know the others), but it certainly is worth some thought. >PHP is very web focussed. You will never write a device driver in PHP, >or a cool piece of 3D graphics software. >But for the web, PHP is very good. > > >Framework or no Framework? >These days many people work with frameworks. Frameworks have the >advantage of hiding complexity, but they add bureaucracy, in some cases >to the level that programming is no fun anymore, a situation that should >be avoided at all costs. >If you want to learn, I suggest you do it without frameworks. Later on, >when you made a lot of costly mistakes, you will be in a much better >position to decide if you need one (or even write your own.). > > >Try to work modular/components/objects. >I express myself vaguely on purpose. >Bottonline: If you think you solved some particular problem do the >following: >1) sit back and take a cup of coffee. >2) Try to describe what you just did. What kind of input are you taking? >What problem did you solve? WHat types of output can you produce? etc. >3) Pull the thing OUT of your code, and make a class for it, or a >function, or whatever suits your needs. >Then use that new component from within your code. >Also: Document it, store it somewhere where you can find it, preferably >with some clear description attached to it. >You don't want to wander through your "clever classes" directory and see >names like: >Test23_ver2 >MyGodmodule >MyEmailer_ver2(I think) >myEmailer >Emailer >etc. >If you do this right, you will end up with a bunch of classes and >functions you will be proud of. You can even add funky stuff like >unittesting later on. > >And last: >Let others review your code. >Let others review your code! >(3 times more) >Simply post in here a function, even a whole script, or some approach >you have just finished, and ask for opinions. >Don't use an online forum, most I have seen are poor and filled with >people who want to score karma-points or some other useless nonsense. >This group is pretty good. > >There exist as many programming-styles as there are programmers. >Nonetheless, you will make rookie-mistakes, and more experienced >programmers will catch them easily (mostly because they made the same >mistakes themselves earlier.). >Don't be shy and remember most experienced programmers became >experienced by having their OWN code reviewed (in a public forum or in >private, doesn't matter). >For example: Do you really need to have your website screwed up by some >SQL injection to learn to escape your input? Of course not: if somebody >tells you how that works, and you understand it, it comes natural. But >first you must have heard of the concept SQL injection. > >Oh well, I talk too much. :-) > >Good luck. > >Regards, >Erwin Moller Thank you Erwin. I will be staying with HTML/CSS/PHP/MySql. Plenty for me to learn there. You have given me a direction. I'll let others decide if you talk too much. :) However, I assure you that your post was far more helpful than TNP's contribution. Tom
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| From | "Leonardo Azpurua" <leonardo@exmvps.org> |
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| Date | 2012-03-16 21:57 -0430 |
| Message-ID | <jk0sql$9ta$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5168 |
"Erwin Moller" <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> escribió en el mensaje news:4f633af9$0$6988$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl... > > Hi Tom, > > I think you can do thousands of roads. > It really depends on what you want to achieve. > > A few considerations for you that pop into my head that are general in > nature: > > Pick a language: > Are you sure you want to study PHP further? > Why not C or C++ or Java or etc.etc.? > If you want to focus on webtechnology, there is also MS dotnet and Ruby On > Rails, and etc.etc. > Not that I want to send you elsewhere. :-) > But why do you pick PHP? Because it is easy? > I know it is very hard to tell upfront what language is good for you > (since you don't know the others), but it certainly is worth some thought. > PHP is very web focussed. You will never write a device driver in PHP, or > a cool piece of 3D graphics software. > But for the web, PHP is very good. > > > Framework or no Framework? > These days many people work with frameworks. Frameworks have the advantage > of hiding complexity, but they add bureaucracy, in some cases to the level > that programming is no fun anymore, a situation that should be avoided at > all costs. > If you want to learn, I suggest you do it without frameworks. Later on, > when you made a lot of costly mistakes, you will be in a much better > position to decide if you need one (or even write your own.). > > > Try to work modular/components/objects. > I express myself vaguely on purpose. > Bottonline: If you think you solved some particular problem do the > following: > 1) sit back and take a cup of coffee. > 2) Try to describe what you just did. What kind of input are you taking? > What problem did you solve? WHat types of output can you produce? etc. > 3) Pull the thing OUT of your code, and make a class for it, or a > function, or whatever suits your needs. > Then use that new component from within your code. > Also: Document it, store it somewhere where you can find it, preferably > with some clear description attached to it. > You don't want to wander through your "clever classes" directory and see > names like: > Test23_ver2 > MyGodmodule > MyEmailer_ver2(I think) > myEmailer > Emailer > etc. > If you do this right, you will end up with a bunch of classes and > functions you will be proud of. You can even add funky stuff like > unittesting later on. > > And last: > Let others review your code. > Let others review your code! > (3 times more) > Simply post in here a function, even a whole script, or some approach you > have just finished, and ask for opinions. > Don't use an online forum, most I have seen are poor and filled with > people who want to score karma-points or some other useless nonsense. > This group is pretty good. > > There exist as many programming-styles as there are programmers. > Nonetheless, you will make rookie-mistakes, and more experienced > programmers will catch them easily (mostly because they made the same > mistakes themselves earlier.). > Don't be shy and remember most experienced programmers became experienced > by having their OWN code reviewed (in a public forum or in private, > doesn't matter). > For example: Do you really need to have your website screwed up by some > SQL injection to learn to escape your input? Of course not: if somebody > tells you how that works, and you understand it, it comes natural. But > first you must have heard of the concept SQL injection. > > Oh well, I talk too much. :-) > > Good luck. > > Regards, > Erwin Moller Best advice!
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-03-16 09:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <jjv2pe$u6p$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #5164 |
Call Me Tom wrote: > On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:54:41 +0000, The Natural Philosopher > <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > [SNIP] >> I am not 'generally against books'. But...if you already know how to >> program, a language reference is all you need, and if you don't already >> know how to program, is PHP the place to be starting? > [SNIP] > > Fair Enough. I am interested in learning how to program. I want to > learn from home. Where do you suggest I begin? ah.. -- To people who know nothing, anything is possible. To people who know too much, it is a sad fact that they know how little is really possible - and how hard it is to achieve it.
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| From | Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 05:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <jjsoqu$cc2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5152 |
On 3/14/2012 11:37 AM, Christopher M. wrote: > What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on PHP.net and it > looks pretty basic. > > > W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.) > > In the beginning this book gave me a good step up. http://www.amazon.com/PHP-MySQL-Web-Development-Edition/dp/0672329166/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331815807&sr=8-1 It delves into both PHP AND mysql from a beginners standpoint. And of course don't negate this newsgroup. Even though you will get some flames from self-declared professionals, as long as you are trying to put the work in, there are many knowledgeable people here who have been coding for several years. Just don't take any attacks too personal, as some here, this is there life to make a mark for themselves. Scotty
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| From | "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-15 14:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <TcadnXjB1_ckrP_SnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #5158 |
Scott Johnson wrote: > On 3/14/2012 11:37 AM, Christopher M. wrote: >> What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on >> PHP.net and it looks pretty basic. >> >> >> W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.) >> >> > In the beginning this book gave me a good step up. > > http://www.amazon.com/PHP-MySQL-Web-Development-Edition/dp/0672329166/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331815807&sr=8-1 > > It delves into both PHP AND mysql from a beginners standpoint. > > > And of course don't negate this newsgroup. Even though you will get > some flames from self-declared professionals, as long as you are > trying to put the work in, there are many knowledgeable people here > who have been coding for several years. > > Just don't take any attacks too personal, as some here, this is there > life to make a mark for themselves. > > Scotty I have that one already. W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)
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| From | "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-16 21:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <VsidnYTGNOu1dP7SnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #5152 |
"Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> wrote in message news:8sGdneILNJwueP3SnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@giganews.com... > What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on PHP.net and > it looks pretty basic. > > > W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.) > I found this site, if anyone's interested. http://bytes.com/topic/php/answers/11337-delete-object W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)
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| From | Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> |
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| Date | 2012-03-17 16:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <jk2ae1$76v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5170 |
Am 2012-03-17 02:29, Christopher M. meinte: > "Christopher M." <nospam_flibbity@floo.com> wrote in message > news:8sGdneILNJwueP3SnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@giganews.com... >> What are some good PHP books? I've been reading the manual on PHP.net and >> it looks pretty basic. >> >> >> W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.) >> > > I found this site, if anyone's interested. > http://bytes.com/topic/php/answers/11337-delete-object Why should anyone be interested in a forum entry dating back to 2005 discussing an OOP issue in PHP*4*? Gregor -- http://vxweb.net
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