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Pocetnik u php-u

Started byCrystal <Crystal@net.hr>
First post2014-10-23 20:47 +0200
Last post2014-10-25 01:34 +0200
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  Pocetnik u php-u Crystal <Crystal@net.hr> - 2014-10-23 20:47 +0200
    Re: Pocetnik u php-u Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2014-10-23 15:20 -0400
    Re: Pocetnik u php-u "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-10-23 21:57 +0200
      Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-23 23:09 +0200
        Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-23 20:12 -0400
          Re: Pocetnik u php-u Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2014-10-23 21:35 -0400
            Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-23 22:07 -0400
          Re: Pocetnik u php-u jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2014-10-24 02:00 +0000
            Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-23 22:09 -0400
              Re: Pocetnik u php-u jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2014-10-24 04:38 +0000
                Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-24 08:51 -0400
                  Re: Pocetnik u php-u jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2014-10-24 16:32 +0000
                    Re: Pocetnik u php-u "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-10-24 19:20 +0200
                      Re: Pocetnik u php-u jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2014-10-24 17:46 +0000
                Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-25 06:15 +0200
          Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-25 06:50 +0200
            Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-25 10:51 -0400
              Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-25 22:24 +0200
                Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-25 16:51 -0400
        Re: Pocetnik u php-u "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-10-24 19:18 +0200
      Re: Pocetnik u php-u Crystal <Crystal@net.hr> - 2014-10-24 14:02 +0200
        Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-24 08:53 -0400
          Re: Pocetnik u php-u Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> - 2014-10-24 09:27 -0400
          Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-25 10:51 +0200
            Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-25 10:53 -0400
              Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-27 14:41 +0100
                Re: Pocetnik u php-u Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-10-27 13:17 -0400
    Re: Pocetnik u php-u Crystal <Crystal@mail.hr> - 2014-10-24 14:21 +0200
    Re: Pocetnik u php-u Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-10-25 01:34 +0200

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#14390

FromCrystal <Crystal@net.hr>
Date2014-10-24 14:02 +0200
Message-ID<544A3FF2.2040900@net.hr>
In reply to#14380
Dana 23.10.2014. 21:57, Christoph M. Becker je napisao:
> Crystal wrote:
>
>> Htio bi nesto nauciti programirati u php-u, no imam pocetnicki problem:
>> stvoriti si radnu okolinu. ne znam što je bolje, instalirati razvojnu
>> okolinu u win xp, win7 x64 ili se bazirati na linux.
>> Htio bi osposobiti apache, php i mysql ali da mi to radi preko eclipse
>> IDE kao što je to za javu.
>> Možete li mi dati par dobrih linkova i savjeta kako to ispravno
>> instalirati(php,apache i mysql) ako može na xp, ako ne na xp onda na
>> win7 x64, ako ne na win 7 onda na ubuntu.
>> probao sam to instalirati na xp ali mi se iz nekog razloga ne podiže
>> server(apache). imao sam raznovrsnih problema, nikako osposobiti php
>> razvojnu okolinu...
>> Hvala.
>
> If you prefer Windows, you may consider to use a prebundled development
> environment such as XAMPP: <https://www.apachefriends.org/index.html>.
> Note, that PHP does not work on Windows XP since version 5.5.0.
>
> BTW: this is an English speaking newsgroup. :)
>
Thank you all. I'll try both, windows and linux evironment and time will 
show what's best.
Sorry for Croatian, I just realized that there is no PHP thematic 
newsgroup in Croatian :)!

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#14393

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2014-10-24 08:53 -0400
Message-ID<m2di4b$2mo$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#14390
On 10/24/2014 8:02 AM, Crystal wrote:
> Dana 23.10.2014. 21:57, Christoph M. Becker je napisao:
>> Crystal wrote:
>>
>>> Htio bi nesto nauciti programirati u php-u, no imam pocetnicki problem:
>>> stvoriti si radnu okolinu. ne znam što je bolje, instalirati razvojnu
>>> okolinu u win xp, win7 x64 ili se bazirati na linux.
>>> Htio bi osposobiti apache, php i mysql ali da mi to radi preko eclipse
>>> IDE kao što je to za javu.
>>> Možete li mi dati par dobrih linkova i savjeta kako to ispravno
>>> instalirati(php,apache i mysql) ako može na xp, ako ne na xp onda na
>>> win7 x64, ako ne na win 7 onda na ubuntu.
>>> probao sam to instalirati na xp ali mi se iz nekog razloga ne podiže
>>> server(apache). imao sam raznovrsnih problema, nikako osposobiti php
>>> razvojnu okolinu...
>>> Hvala.
>>
>> If you prefer Windows, you may consider to use a prebundled development
>> environment such as XAMPP: <https://www.apachefriends.org/index.html>.
>> Note, that PHP does not work on Windows XP since version 5.5.0.
>>
>> BTW: this is an English speaking newsgroup. :)
>>
> Thank you all. I'll try both, windows and linux evironment and time will
> show what's best.
> Sorry for Croatian, I just realized that there is no PHP thematic
> newsgroup in Croatian :)!

No, there isn't.  But everyone here speaks English, and you will get
more answers if you use English.

For instance, I tried Google translate, but the translation isn't
perfect, and I wasn't sure exactly what you were asking.

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#14394

FromMatthew Carter <m@ahungry.com>
Date2014-10-24 09:27 -0400
Message-ID<871tpx8unz.fsf@ahungry.com>
In reply to#14393
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes:

> On 10/24/2014 8:02 AM, Crystal wrote:
>> Dana 23.10.2014. 21:57, Christoph M. Becker je napisao:
>>> Crystal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Htio bi nesto nauciti programirati u php-u, no imam pocetnicki problem:
>>>> stvoriti si radnu okolinu. ne znam što je bolje, instalirati razvojnu
>>>> okolinu u win xp, win7 x64 ili se bazirati na linux.
>>>> Htio bi osposobiti apache, php i mysql ali da mi to radi preko eclipse
>>>> IDE kao što je to za javu.
>>>> Možete li mi dati par dobrih linkova i savjeta kako to ispravno
>>>> instalirati(php,apache i mysql) ako može na xp, ako ne na xp onda na
>>>> win7 x64, ako ne na win 7 onda na ubuntu.
>>>> probao sam to instalirati na xp ali mi se iz nekog razloga ne podiže
>>>> server(apache). imao sam raznovrsnih problema, nikako osposobiti php
>>>> razvojnu okolinu...
>>>> Hvala.
>>>
>>> If you prefer Windows, you may consider to use a prebundled development
>>> environment such as XAMPP: <https://www.apachefriends.org/index.html>.
>>> Note, that PHP does not work on Windows XP since version 5.5.0.
>>>
>>> BTW: this is an English speaking newsgroup. :)
>>>
>> Thank you all. I'll try both, windows and linux evironment and time will
>> show what's best.
>> Sorry for Croatian, I just realized that there is no PHP thematic
>> newsgroup in Croatian :)!
>
> No, there isn't.  But everyone here speaks English, and you will get
> more answers if you use English.
>
> For instance, I tried Google translate, but the translation isn't
> perfect, and I wasn't sure exactly what you were asking.

We sure live in a great age though - I wasn't even sure what language
Crystal was asking in, and with some copy/paste and 30 seconds of effort
I was able to know the language and a rough translation of what was
being asked.

Crazy!

-- 
Matthew Carter (m@ahungry.com)
http://ahungry.com

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#14403

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2014-10-25 10:51 +0200
Message-ID<4050826.lBSx1PCWgk@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#14393
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> […] everyone here speaks English, […]

It takes only one example for a general statement to be disproved.

IRL, most of the time I speak my native language, Standard German.  Which  
is like speaking a foreign language here in the "German-speaking" part of 
Switzerland.

-- 
PointedEars
Zend Certified PHP Engineer
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#14405

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2014-10-25 10:53 -0400
Message-ID<m2gdhc$jlc$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#14403
On 10/25/2014 4:51 AM, the well-known TROLL Thomas 'PointedHead' Lahn wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
>> […] everyone here speaks English, […]
> 
> It takes only one example for a general statement to be disproved.
> 
> IRL, most of the time I speak my native language, Standard German.  Which  
> is like speaking a foreign language here in the "German-speaking" part of 
> Switzerland.
> 

Naw, your native language is TROLLISH.  Even the Germans don't want
anything to do with you.

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#14414

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2014-10-27 14:41 +0100
Message-ID<3375550.DsR8AizOZb@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#14405
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> On 10/25/2014 4:51 AM, the well-known TROLL Thomas 'PointedHead' Lahn
> wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> […] everyone here speaks English, […]
>> 
>> It takes only one example for a general statement to be disproved.
>> 
>> IRL, most of the time I speak my native language, Standard German.  Which
>> is like speaking a foreign language here in the "German-speaking" part of
>> Switzerland.
> 
> Naw, your native language is TROLLISH.  Even the Germans don't want
> anything to do with you.

If only you had the faintest idea what you are talking about.

-- 
PointedEars
Zend Certified PHP Engineer
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#14415

FromJerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Date2014-10-27 13:17 -0400
Message-ID<m2lums$orp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#14414
On 10/27/2014 9:41 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
>> On 10/25/2014 4:51 AM, the well-known TROLL Thomas 'PointedHead' Lahn
>> wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> […] everyone here speaks English, […]
>>>
>>> It takes only one example for a general statement to be disproved.
>>>
>>> IRL, most of the time I speak my native language, Standard German.  Which
>>> is like speaking a foreign language here in the "German-speaking" part of
>>> Switzerland.
>>
>> Naw, your native language is TROLLISH.  Even the Germans don't want
>> anything to do with you.
> 
> If only you had the faintest idea what you are talking about.
> 

ROFLMAO!  Pot - kettle - black!

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#14391

FromCrystal <Crystal@mail.hr>
Date2014-10-24 14:21 +0200
Message-ID<544A443B.5070908@mail.hr>
In reply to#14378
On 23.10.2014 20:47, Crystal wrote:
> Htio bi nesto nauciti programirati u php-u, no imam pocetnicki problem:
> stvoriti si radnu okolinu. ne znam što je bolje, instalirati razvojnu
> okolinu u win xp, win7 x64 ili se bazirati na linux.
> Htio bi osposobiti apache, php i mysql ali da mi to radi preko eclipse
> IDE kao što je to za javu.
> Možete li mi dati par dobrih linkova i savjeta kako to ispravno
> instalirati(php,apache i mysql) ako može na xp, ako ne na xp onda na
> win7 x64, ako ne na win 7 onda na ubuntu.
> probao sam to instalirati na xp ali mi se iz nekog razloga ne podiže
> server(apache). imao sam raznovrsnih problema, nikako osposobiti php
> razvojnu okolinu...
> Hvala.
Thank you all. I'll try both, windows and linux evironment and time will 
show what's best.
Sorry for Croatian, I just realized that there is no PHP thematic 
newsgroup in Croatian :)!

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#14400

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2014-10-25 01:34 +0200
Message-ID<14290746.KfmpsjLZVZ@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#14378
Crystal wrote:
^^^^^^^
Please post using your real name as it is customary here.

> Htio bi nesto nauciti programirati u php-u, no imam pocetnicki problem:
> stvoriti si radnu okolinu. ne znam što je bolje, instalirati razvojnu
> okolinu u win xp, win7 x64 ili se bazirati na linux.

Find out what your production server is using, then, if possible, install 
the same PHP version on your development/test server.  That makes it much 
easier for you to test before you publish.

But if you have no production server yet:

If you have a Linux distribution, you should install PHP there.  In my 
experience, in general it is much easier than on Windows, even with 
distributions like XAMPP.  (The easiest Web server setup I have across yet 
is MAMPP for Mac OS X, which I use at work.  But as I am working as a 
*frontend* engineer there, I have not had to configure much of MAMPP yet:
in fact, I am only using the Apache part regularly there.)

Otherwise, install XAMPP on Windows 7; with little help, my (arguably very 
intelligent) student apprentice who IIRC had never done any serious PHP 
development before could set it up there by himself.

Note that Windows XP is neither supported by The PHP Group nor Microsoft, 
and you should not be using Windows XP, anymore.

<http://php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.0>
<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help>

> Htio bi osposobiti apache, php i mysql ali da mi to radi preko eclipse
> IDE kao što je to za javu.

<https://www.eclipse.org/pdt/>
<https://wiki.eclipse.org/Debugging_using_XDebug>

> Možete li mi dati par dobrih linkova i savjeta kako to ispravno
> instalirati(php,apache i mysql) ako može na xp, ako ne na xp onda na
> win7 x64, ako ne na win 7 onda na ubuntu.

<http://php.net/manual/en/install.php> pp.

> probao sam to instalirati na xp ali mi se iz nekog razloga ne podiže 
> server(apache). imao sam raznovrsnih problema, nikako osposobiti php 
> razvojnu okolinu...

For that, try the best fitting newsgroup in comp.infosystems.www.servers.* 
and, if you post, give a useful problem description:

<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>

-- 
PointedEars
Zend Certified PHP Engineer, Friend of Eclipse
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not Cc: me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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