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  PEAR is dead? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 21:15 +0000
    Re: PEAR is dead? Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-11-21 22:54 +0100
    Re: PEAR is dead? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-11-21 22:54 +0100
      Re: PEAR is dead? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 22:20 +0000
        Re: PEAR is dead? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-11-21 23:41 +0100
          Re: PEAR is dead? Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-11-21 23:50 +0100
            Re: PEAR is dead? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-11-22 00:27 +0100
              Re: PEAR is dead? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-11-22 12:15 +0100
          Re: PEAR is dead? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-11-22 12:18 +0100
            Re: PEAR is dead? Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-11-22 20:11 +0100
              Re: PEAR is dead? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-11-22 21:43 +0100
                Re: PEAR is dead? Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-11-22 23:45 +0100
                  Re: PEAR is dead? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-22 22:52 +0000
                  Re: PEAR is dead? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-11-23 00:01 +0100
      Re: PEAR is dead? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-21 22:38 +0000

#11892 — PEAR is dead?

The existing PEAR packages are still mostly written using PHP 4 and the 
new releases just aren't there. Some packages need to be run with the 
notification for deprecated features turned off. I use some of their 
package for convenience (HTML_Form, HTML_Table, Image_GraphViz and 
Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer) but there are no new releases, no updates, 
nothing. The same applies to other packages that I sometimes use 
(Console_Getopt, Date, Log). Does anyone have more info about PEAR? Is 
the project that was lambasted as PHP CPAN really going belly up? Having 
such a repository would be more than useful, in my opinion it was a 
mistake to standardize error handling and all those things that are in 
the PEAR package.



-- 
Mladen Gogala
The Oracle Whisperer
http://mgogala.byethost5.com

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#11896

Mladen Gogala wrote:

> The existing PEAR packages are still mostly written using PHP 4 and the 
> new releases just aren't there. Some packages need to be run with the 
> notification for deprecated features turned off. I use some of their 
> package for convenience (HTML_Form, HTML_Table, Image_GraphViz and 
> Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer) but there are no new releases, no updates, 
> nothing. The same applies to other packages that I sometimes use 
> (Console_Getopt, Date, Log). Does anyone have more info about PEAR? Is 
> the project that was lambasted as PHP CPAN really going belly up? Having 
> such a repository would be more than useful, in my opinion it was a 
> mistake to standardize error handling and all those things that are in 
> the PEAR package.

I cannot comment on the general state of PEAR as I'm using only a few of
its packages, but you may have a look at the website of the packages
you're using.  E.g. HTML_Form[1] has been superseded by
HTML_QuickForm2[2], which seems to be still maintained.  And that what
it's all about: as long as there are maintainers for the packages, PEAR
is not dead.  I believe that every helping hand is welcome as usual for
OSS. ;)

[1] <http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_Form>
[2] <http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_QuickForm2>
-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#11897

Mladen Gogala wrote:

> The existing PEAR packages are still mostly written using PHP 4 and the
> new releases just aren't there. Some packages need to be run with the
> notification for deprecated features turned off. I use some of their
> package for convenience (HTML_Form, HTML_Table, Image_GraphViz and
> Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer) but there are no new releases, no updates,
> nothing.

That does not ap-PEAR to be correct.

> The same applies to other packages that I sometimes use (Console_Getopt,
> Date, Log). Does anyone have more info about PEAR? Is
> the project that was lambasted as PHP CPAN really going belly up? […]

Have you visited the PEAR site lately?  If no, why not?  If yes, why are you 
still asking?


PointedEars
-- 
    realism:    HTML 4.01 Strict
    evangelism: XHTML 1.0 Strict
    madness:    XHTML 1.1 as application/xhtml+xml
                                                    -- Bjoern Hoehrmann

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#11899

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:54:53 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> 
> Have you visited the PEAR site lately?  If no, why not?  

Yes, I have.

> If yes, why are you still asking?

Because the essential packages like PEAR itself and PHP_Beautifier 
haven't had any releases for quite some time.



-- 
Mladen Gogala
The Oracle Whisperer
http://mgogala.byethost5.com

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#11902

Mladen Gogala wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:54:53 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Have you visited the PEAR site lately?  If no, why not?
> 
> Yes, I have.

Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?
 
>> If yes, why are you still asking?
> 
> Because the essential packages like PEAR itself and PHP_Beautifier
> haven't had any releases for quite some time.

pear/pear-core had the last update 5 days ago.  Also, OSS requires people 
who not only want to consume.


PointedEars
-- 
Prototype.js was written by people who don't know javascript for people
who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not
the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript.
  -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <f806at$ail$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>

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#11903

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>
> [...]
> 
> Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?

However, that was written on 24th Jan 2012 -- nearly two years ago.

>> Because the essential packages like PEAR itself and PHP_Beautifier
>> haven't had any releases for quite some time.
> 
> pear/pear-core had the last update 5 days ago.  Also, OSS requires people 
> who not only want to consume.

ACK.

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#11905

Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>> [...]
>> Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?
> 
> However, that was written on 24th Jan 2012 -- nearly two years ago.

The date there does not matter.


PointedEars 
-- 
var bugRiddenCrashPronePieceOfJunk = (
    navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE 5') != -1
    && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Mac') != -1
)  // Plone, register_function.js:16

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#11912

Am 22.11.2013 00:27, schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> 
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?
>>
>> However, that was written on 24th Jan 2012 -- nearly two years ago.
> 
> The date there does not matter.

So - what does a news tell us about the activitiy of a project, if it is
nearly two years old?


-- 
Arno Welzel
http://arnowelzel.de
http://de-rec-fahrrad.de

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#11913

Am 21.11.2013 23:41, schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> Mladen Gogala wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:54:53 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Have you visited the PEAR site lately?  If no, why not?
>>
>> Yes, I have.
> 
> Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?
>  
>>> If yes, why are you still asking?
>>
>> Because the essential packages like PEAR itself and PHP_Beautifier
>> haven't had any releases for quite some time.
> 
> pear/pear-core had the last update 5 days ago.  Also, OSS requires people 
> who not only want to consume.

ACK.

But about the last update of pear...

<http://pear.php.net/package/PEAR/>

Current Release
1.9.4 (stable) was released on 2011-07-07 (Changelog)

What exactly do you refer by "pear/pear-core"?


-- 
Arno Welzel
http://arnowelzel.de
http://de-rec-fahrrad.de

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#11932

Arno Welzel wrote:

> What exactly do you refer by "pear/pear-core"?

Most likely the GIT repository:

<https://github.com/pear/pear-core>

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#11935

Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Arno Welzel wrote:
>> What exactly do you refer by "pear/pear-core"?
> 
> Most likely the GIT repository:
> 
> <https://github.com/pear/pear-core>

Which is mentioned in the document linked from said section of the PEAR 
site.  Which is why the date on the PEAR site does not matter.


Pointed"<Q>Oh, you'd like me to connect the dots for you, lead you from A to 
B to C, so that your puny mind could comprehend? How boring.</Q>"Ears
-- 
Danny Goodman's books are out of date and teach practices that are
positively harmful for cross-browser scripting.
  -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <cife6q$253$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk> (2004)

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#11936

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> 
>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> What exactly do you refer by "pear/pear-core"?
>>
>> Most likely the GIT repository:
>>
>> <https://github.com/pear/pear-core>
> 
> Which is mentioned in the document linked from said section of the PEAR 
> site.  Which is why the date on the PEAR site does not matter.

On further rethinking: ACK.

> Pointed"<Q>Oh, you'd like me to connect the dots for you, lead you from A to 
> B to C, so that your puny mind could comprehend? How boring.</Q>"Ears

"The only noble desire is the desire to serve others." -- Surak :)

-- 
Christoph M. Becker

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#11937

On 22/11/13 22:45, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> "The only noble desire is the desire to serve others." -- Surak :)
>
Noble and pointed ears? novel concept...

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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the 
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are 
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a 
diminishing number of producers.

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#11938

Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Pointed"<Q>Oh, you'd like me to connect the dots for you, lead you from A
>> to B to C, so that your puny mind could comprehend? How boring.</Q>"Ears
> 
> "The only noble desire is the desire to serve others." -- Surak :)

Non-canon ;-)


F'up2 poster

PointedEars
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    realism:    HTML 4.01 Strict
    evangelism: XHTML 1.0 Strict
    madness:    XHTML 1.1 as application/xhtml+xml
                                                    -- Bjoern Hoehrmann

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#11901

On 21/11/13 21:54, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>
>> The existing PEAR packages are still mostly written using PHP 4 and the
>> new releases just aren't there. Some packages need to be run with the
>> notification for deprecated features turned off. I use some of their
>> package for convenience (HTML_Form, HTML_Table, Image_GraphViz and
>> Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer) but there are no new releases, no updates,
>> nothing.
>
> That does not ap-PEAR to be correct.
>
>> The same applies to other packages that I sometimes use (Console_Getopt,
>> Date, Log). Does anyone have more info about PEAR? Is
>> the project that was lambasted as PHP CPAN really going belly up? […]
>
> Have you visited the PEAR site lately?  If no, why not?  If yes, why are you
> still asking?
>
>
> PointedEars
>
perhaps its just gone PEAR shaped?

...I'll get my coat...

-- 
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to 
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the 
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are 
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a 
diminishing number of producers.

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