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mouse movement detection? richard <member@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-10 09:57 -0700
Re: mouse movement detection? Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2011-05-10 21:11 +0200
Re: mouse movement detection? richard <member@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-10 12:23 -0700
Re: mouse movement detection? "P E Schoen" <paul@pstech-inc.com> - 2011-05-10 15:42 -0400
Re: mouse movement detection? richard <member@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-10 13:56 -0700
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-10 21:15 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-10 19:40 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-05-10 15:10 -0500
Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-10 23:52 +0200
Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-10 20:03 -0400
Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 10:49 +0200
Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-11 06:39 -0400
Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 14:24 +0200
Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-11 11:25 -0400
Re: mouse movement detection? Sherm Pendley <sherm.pendley@gmail.com> - 2011-05-11 11:36 -0400
Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-11 12:30 -0400
Re: mouse movement detection? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-05-10 20:24 -0500
Re: mouse movement detection? Erwin Moller <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spamyourself.com> - 2011-05-11 08:16 +0200
Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 11:02 +0200
Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-11 13:18 +1000
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-11 04:00 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 11:11 +0200
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-11 16:57 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 22:42 +0200
Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-11 23:34 +1000
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-11 16:53 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-12 12:26 +1000
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-12 04:35 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-12 16:09 +1000
Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-12 06:52 -0400
Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-13 06:48 +1000
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-12 16:12 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-13 07:36 +1000
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-12 22:05 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-13 10:14 +1000
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-13 00:56 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-13 20:34 +1000
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-13 15:36 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-14 10:01 +1000
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-14 03:51 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-14 15:00 +1000
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-14 06:00 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-15 13:35 +0200
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-15 16:41 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-15 13:00 -0400
Re: mouse movement detection? "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> - 2011-05-17 11:37 -0400
Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-17 12:34 -0400
Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-16 00:36 +0200
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-16 02:07 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-17 22:33 +0200
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-17 20:52 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? "P E Schoen" <paul@pstech-inc.com> - 2011-05-18 08:10 -0400
Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-18 15:20 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? dougatmilmacdotcom@example.com (Doug Miller) - 2011-05-16 12:00 +0000
Re: mouse movement detection? Sherm Pendley <sherm.pendley@gmail.com> - 2011-05-11 11:33 -0400
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| From | richard <member@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-10 09:57 -0700 |
| Subject | mouse movement detection? |
| Message-ID | <5jmrvpnl392w$.dlg@evanplatt.sux> |
Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of detecting mouse movement. I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for 10 minutes. I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on the page for a couple of hours.
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| From | Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-10 21:11 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <iqc2lc$t0c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1486 |
Am 2011-05-10 18:57, richard meinte: > Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of > detecting mouse movement. No server side script can detect the movement of a mouse attached to a client computer. > I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had > been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for 10 > minutes. > I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on the > page for a couple of hours. You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet... All you did was not creating a request which could be detected by the server (though this request could be invoked by JS without explicit interaction, too). Gregor -- http://vxweb.net
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| From | richard <member@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-10 12:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1l6ipxzio1vee$.dlg@evanplatt.sux> |
| In reply to | #1487 |
On Tue, 10 May 2011 21:11:39 +0200, Gregor Kofler wrote: > Am 2011-05-10 18:57, richard meinte: >> Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of >> detecting mouse movement. > > No server side script can detect the movement of a mouse attached to a > client computer. > >> I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had >> been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for 10 >> minutes. >> I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on the >> page for a couple of hours. > > You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet... > > All you did was not creating a request which could be detected by the > server (though this request could be invoked by JS without explicit > interaction, too). > > Gregor that's what I figured. Probably done through a cookie check.
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| From | "P E Schoen" <paul@pstech-inc.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-10 15:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iqc4ga$d4c$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1488 |
"richard" wrote in message news:1l6ipxzio1vee$.dlg@evanplatt.sux...
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 21:11:39 +0200, Gregor Kofler wrote:
>> No server side script can detect the movement of a mouse
> attached to a client computer.
>
>> You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet...
>
>> All you did was not creating a request which could be detected
>> by the server (though this request could be invoked by JS without
>> explicit interaction, too).
> that's what I figured. Probably done through a cookie check.
It would be interesting to check the source of the HTML of the original web
page. The server-side PHP script could generate JavaScript that invokes a
timer and also an event handler for mouse movement.
http://www.toknowmore.net/e/1/javascript/javascript-onmousemove.php
The mousemove event would reset the timer, so if no movement was detected,
the timeout would occur and the client-side webpage could post to the
server, which would then send the new web page to the client.
Paul
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| From | richard <member@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-10 13:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9csm8a0ckbkp$.dlg@evanplatt.sux> |
| In reply to | #1489 |
On Tue, 10 May 2011 15:42:54 -0400, P E Schoen wrote: > "richard" wrote in message news:1l6ipxzio1vee$.dlg@evanplatt.sux... > >> On Tue, 10 May 2011 21:11:39 +0200, Gregor Kofler wrote: > >>> No server side script can detect the movement of a mouse >> attached to a client computer. >> >>> You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet... >> >>> All you did was not creating a request which could be detected >>> by the server (though this request could be invoked by JS without >>> explicit interaction, too). > >> that's what I figured. Probably done through a cookie check. > > It would be interesting to check the source of the HTML of the original web > page. The server-side PHP script could generate JavaScript that invokes a > timer and also an event handler for mouse movement. > > http://www.toknowmore.net/e/1/javascript/javascript-onmousemove.php > > The mousemove event would reset the timer, so if no movement was detected, > the timeout would occur and the client-side webpage could post to the > server, which would then send the new web page to the client. > > Paul www.bidrack.com Just leave the page open for an hour or so and see what happens.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2011-05-10 21:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lgmo98-dqi.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #1492 |
richard <member@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Tue, 10 May 2011 15:42:54 -0400, P E Schoen wrote: > >> "richard" wrote in message news:1l6ipxzio1vee$.dlg@evanplatt.sux... >> >>> On Tue, 10 May 2011 21:11:39 +0200, Gregor Kofler wrote: >> >>>> No server side script can detect the movement of a mouse >>> attached to a client computer. >>> >>>> You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet... >>> >>>> All you did was not creating a request which could be detected >>>> by the server (though this request could be invoked by JS without >>>> explicit interaction, too). >> >>> that's what I figured. Probably done through a cookie check. >> >> It would be interesting to check the source of the HTML of the original web >> page. The server-side PHP script could generate JavaScript that invokes a >> timer and also an event handler for mouse movement. >> >> http://www.toknowmore.net/e/1/javascript/javascript-onmousemove.php >> >> The mousemove event would reset the timer, so if no movement was detected, >> the timeout would occur and the client-side webpage could post to the >> server, which would then send the new web page to the client. >> >> Paul > > www.bidrack.com > > Just leave the page open for an hour or so and see what happens. You don't have to leave the page open for an hour. Access the page with a javascript debugger like Firebug installed and watch as all the javascript and timers are downloaded. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2011-05-10 19:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptgo98-g2i.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #1488 |
richard <member@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Tue, 10 May 2011 21:11:39 +0200, Gregor Kofler wrote: > >> Am 2011-05-10 18:57, richard meinte: >>> Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of >>> detecting mouse movement. >> >> No server side script can detect the movement of a mouse attached to a >> client computer. >> >>> I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had >>> been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for 10 >>> minutes. >>> I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on the >>> page for a couple of hours. >> >> You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet... >> >> All you did was not creating a request which could be detected by the >> server (though this request could be invoked by JS without explicit >> interaction, too). >> >> Gregor > > that's what I figured. Probably done through a cookie check. Nope, a cookie can't tell if the mouse has moved, all it can determine is that nothing had been clicked since the last reload. To detect if the mouse moved, you would have to use something client side like javascript to run a timer which resets on mouse actions and if it ever times out, cause either a reload with a send to the server that the timeout occured or a load another page. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply.
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| From | Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-10 15:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <huidnaBLyuIwBlTQnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@posted.localnet> |
| In reply to | #1490 |
At Tue, 10 May 2011 19:40:09 -0000 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
> richard <member@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 May 2011 21:11:39 +0200, Gregor Kofler wrote:
> >
> >> Am 2011-05-10 18:57, richard meinte:
> >>> Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
> >>> detecting mouse movement.
> >>
> >> No server side script can detect the movement of a mouse attached to a
> >> client computer.
> >>
> >>> I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had
> >>> been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for 10
> >>> minutes.
> >>> I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on the
> >>> page for a couple of hours.
> >>
> >> You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet...
> >>
> >> All you did was not creating a request which could be detected by the
> >> server (though this request could be invoked by JS without explicit
> >> interaction, too).
> >>
> >> Gregor
> >
> > that's what I figured. Probably done through a cookie check.
>
> Nope, a cookie can't tell if the mouse has moved, all it can determine is
> that nothing had been clicked since the last reload.
>
> To detect if the mouse moved, you would have to use something client side
> like javascript to run a timer which resets on mouse actions and if it
> ever times out, cause either a reload with a send to the server that the
> timeout occured or a load another page.
Right. JavaScript is your *enemy*... Many webpages have more
JavaScript than HTML... In some cases, the site practically downloads
the whole site and then does everything with JavaScript and the
occasional use of AJAX. Which is probably great if you have an
insanely fast computer on an insanely fast Internet connection. Such
sites totally suck on slower computers and esp. on slow (read: dialup)
Internet connections. Of course these JS timeout hacks fail when they
timeout and there is nolonger a network connection (sorry guys, I hung
up the phone...).
>
>
>
--
Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 / heller@deepsoft.com
Deepwoods Software -- http://www.deepsoft.com/
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2011-05-10 23:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <2043424.lGaqSPkdTl@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #1491 |
Robert Heller wrote:
> At Tue, 10 May 2011 19:40:09 -0000 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> To detect if the mouse moved, you would have to use something client side
>> like javascript to run a timer which resets on mouse actions and if it
>> ever times out, cause either a reload with a send to the server that the
>> timeout occured or a load another page.
>
> Right. JavaScript is your *enemy*...
Nonsense. Script-kiddies, wannabes, stupid people, are.
> Many webpages have more JavaScript than HTML...
That goes without saying. One is a markup language, the other a programming
language. There are things you can do in a programming language that you
cannot do in a markup language, but that usually requires more characters.
> In some cases, the site practically downloads the whole site and then does
> everything with JavaScript and the occasional use of AJAX.
That is *abuse*, which can be attributed to stupid people, but not the
language or the technology per se. After all, you can do some pretty stupid
things with HTML, CSS, or PHP, too.
You would be well-advised to keep your opinion to yourself until you know
what you are talking about.
PointedEars
--
realism: HTML 4.01 Strict
evangelism: XHTML 1.0 Strict
madness: XHTML 1.1 as application/xhtml+xml
-- Bjoern Hoehrmann
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2011-05-10 20:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iqcjpe$qv9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1494 |
On 5/10/2011 5:52 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Robert Heller wrote: > >> At Tue, 10 May 2011 19:40:09 -0000 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> To detect if the mouse moved, you would have to use something client side >>> like javascript to run a timer which resets on mouse actions and if it >>> ever times out, cause either a reload with a send to the server that the >>> timeout occured or a load another page. >> >> Right. JavaScript is your *enemy*... > > Nonsense. Script-kiddies, wannabes, stupid people, are. > >> Many webpages have more JavaScript than HTML... > > That goes without saying. One is a markup language, the other a programming > language. There are things you can do in a programming language that you > cannot do in a markup language, but that usually requires more characters. > Javascript IS a programming language. >> In some cases, the site practically downloads the whole site and then does >> everything with JavaScript and the occasional use of AJAX. > > That is *abuse*, which can be attributed to stupid people, but not the > language or the technology per se. After all, you can do some pretty stupid > things with HTML, CSS, or PHP, too. > > You would be well-advised to keep your opinion to yourself until you know > what you are talking about. > You should follow your own advice. > > PointedEars -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2011-05-11 10:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <4241497.rdbgypaU67@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #1495 |
Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 5/10/2011 5:52 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> Robert Heller wrote: >>> Many webpages have more JavaScript than HTML... >> >> That goes without saying. One is a markup language, the other a >> programming language. There are things you can do in a programming >> language that you cannot do in a markup language, but that usually >> requires more characters. > > Javascript IS a programming language. There is no "Javascript". However, if you had paid attention, you would have noticed that I did not say that JavaScript was not a programming language. >> You would be well-advised to keep your opinion to yourself until you know >> what you are talking about. >> > > You should follow your own advice. Pot, kettle, black. PointedEars -- Prototype.js was written by people who don't know javascript for people who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript. -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <f806at$ail$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2011-05-11 06:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iqdp1b$tjv$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1506 |
On 5/11/2011 4:49 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 5/10/2011 5:52 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>> Robert Heller wrote: >>>> Many webpages have more JavaScript than HTML... >>> >>> That goes without saying. One is a markup language, the other a >>> programming language. There are things you can do in a programming >>> language that you cannot do in a markup language, but that usually >>> requires more characters. >> >> Javascript IS a programming language. > > There is no "Javascript". However, if you had paid attention, you would > have noticed that I did not say that JavaScript was not a programming > language. > Can't even understand your own rantings now, I see. >>> You would be well-advised to keep your opinion to yourself until you know >>> what you are talking about. >>> >> >> You should follow your own advice. > > Pot, kettle, black. > > > PointedEars And still blaming the rest of the world for your screwups. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2011-05-11 14:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <16524603.4csPzL39Zc@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #1511 |
Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 5/11/2011 4:49 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 5/10/2011 5:52 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>> Robert Heller wrote: >>>>> Many webpages have more JavaScript than HTML... >>>> >>>> That goes without saying. One is a markup language, the other a >>>> programming language. There are things you can do in a programming >>>> language that you cannot do in a markup language, but that usually >>>> requires more characters. >>> >>> Javascript IS a programming language. >> >> There is no "Javascript". However, if you had paid attention, you would >> have noticed that I did not say that JavaScript was not a programming >> language. > > Can't even understand your own rantings now, I see. I know what I have written, and how it was meant. But I can see how you might already be challenged by commutativity, so here it is in slightly simpler terms: If there are two balls in a box, a red one and a blue one, then one of them is blue. HTH PointedEars -- Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web, when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2011-05-11 11:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iqe9ov$cij$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1516 |
On 5/11/2011 8:24 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 5/11/2011 4:49 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>> Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>> On 5/10/2011 5:52 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>>> Robert Heller wrote: >>>>>> Many webpages have more JavaScript than HTML... >>>>> >>>>> That goes without saying. One is a markup language, the other a >>>>> programming language. There are things you can do in a programming >>>>> language that you cannot do in a markup language, but that usually >>>>> requires more characters. >>>> >>>> Javascript IS a programming language. >>> >>> There is no "Javascript". However, if you had paid attention, you would >>> have noticed that I did not say that JavaScript was not a programming >>> language. >> >> Can't even understand your own rantings now, I see. > > I know what I have written, and how it was meant. But I can see how you > might already be challenged by commutativity, so here it is in slightly > simpler terms: If there are two balls in a box, a red one and a blue one, > then one of them is blue. > > > HTH > > PointedEars ROFLMAO! Still trying to twist your way out of once again showing you have no idea what you're talking about. But that's OK - you're well known for not knowing anything in several newsgroups - not just this one. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Sherm Pendley <sherm.pendley@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-11 11:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87vcxhtfk9.fsf@sherm.shermpendley.com> |
| In reply to | #1495 |
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes: > On 5/10/2011 5:52 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> Robert Heller wrote: >> >>> Many webpages have more JavaScript than HTML... >> >> That goes without saying. One is a markup language, the other a programming >> language. There are things you can do in a programming language that you >> cannot do in a markup language, but that usually requires more characters. > > Javascript IS a programming language. Yes, and the other (HTML) is a markup language. What are you going on about then? sherm--
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2011-05-11 12:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iqedie$k46$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1527 |
On 5/11/2011 11:36 AM, Sherm Pendley wrote: > Jerry Stuckle<jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes: > >> On 5/10/2011 5:52 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>> Robert Heller wrote: >>> >>>> Many webpages have more JavaScript than HTML... >>> >>> That goes without saying. One is a markup language, the other a programming >>> language. There are things you can do in a programming language that you >>> cannot do in a markup language, but that usually requires more characters. >> >> Javascript IS a programming language. > > Yes, and the other (HTML) is a markup language. What are you going on > about then? > > sherm-- Because the discussion was about PHP and Javascript. "Pointed Head" is the only one who brought up HTML. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle JDS Computer Training Corp. jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-10 20:24 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <dqSdncEG4bLQeFTQnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@posted.localnet> |
| In reply to | #1494 |
At Tue, 10 May 2011 23:52:11 +0200 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>
> Robert Heller wrote:
>
> > At Tue, 10 May 2011 19:40:09 -0000 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> To detect if the mouse moved, you would have to use something client side
> >> like javascript to run a timer which resets on mouse actions and if it
> >> ever times out, cause either a reload with a send to the server that the
> >> timeout occured or a load another page.
> >
> > Right. JavaScript is your *enemy*...
>
> Nonsense. Script-kiddies, wannabes, stupid people, are.
>
> > Many webpages have more JavaScript than HTML...
>
> That goes without saying. One is a markup language, the other a programming
> language. There are things you can do in a programming language that you
> cannot do in a markup language, but that usually requires more characters.
>
> > In some cases, the site practically downloads the whole site and then does
> > everything with JavaScript and the occasional use of AJAX.
>
> That is *abuse*, which can be attributed to stupid people, but not the
> language or the technology per se. After all, you can do some pretty stupid
> things with HTML, CSS, or PHP, too.
There are many of these 'abusive' websites...
>
> You would be well-advised to keep your opinion to yourself until you know
> what you are talking about.
Web sites that use JavaScript to redirect after a timeout period are
another form of abuse.
>
>
> PointedEars
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| From | Erwin Moller <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spamyourself.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-11 08:16 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <4dca2997$0$81478$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #1497 |
On 5/11/2011 3:24 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > At Tue, 10 May 2011 23:52:11 +0200 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn<PointedEars@web.de> wrote: > >> >> Robert Heller wrote: >> >>> At Tue, 10 May 2011 19:40:09 -0000 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> To detect if the mouse moved, you would have to use something client side >>>> like javascript to run a timer which resets on mouse actions and if it >>>> ever times out, cause either a reload with a send to the server that the >>>> timeout occured or a load another page. >>> >>> Right. JavaScript is your *enemy*... >> >> Nonsense. Script-kiddies, wannabes, stupid people, are. >> >>> Many webpages have more JavaScript than HTML... >> >> That goes without saying. One is a markup language, the other a programming >> language. There are things you can do in a programming language that you >> cannot do in a markup language, but that usually requires more characters. >> >>> In some cases, the site practically downloads the whole site and then does >>> everything with JavaScript and the occasional use of AJAX. >> >> That is *abuse*, which can be attributed to stupid people, but not the >> language or the technology per se. After all, you can do some pretty stupid >> things with HTML, CSS, or PHP, too. > > There are many of these 'abusive' websites... > >> >> You would be well-advised to keep your opinion to yourself until you know >> what you are talking about. > > Web sites that use JavaScript to redirect after a timeout period are > another form of abuse. Agree. JavaScript is abused most of the time in my humble opinion. But it can also be a very useful tool to bring life to a webpage. I agree with Thomas that "Nonsense. Script-kiddies, wannabes, stupid people, are [the enemy].". Tip: 1) Use firefox 2) Install an add-on named NoScript. Make your life easier if you dislike JavaScript-heavy websites. You can adjust which domains you allow to load/use JavaScript into the webpage you are visiting. It is an easy to use add-on and you don't need arcane knowledge to activate or use it. Regards, Erwin Moller > >> >> >> PointedEars > -- "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2011-05-11 11:02 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <2635405.LZWGnKmheA@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #1497 |
Robert Heller wrote: > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> Robert Heller wrote: >> > In some cases, the site practically downloads the whole site and then >> > does everything with JavaScript and the occasional use of AJAX. >> >> That is *abuse*, which can be attributed to stupid people, but not the >> language or the technology per se. After all, you can do some pretty >> stupid things with HTML, CSS, or PHP, too. > > There are many of these 'abusive' websites... Your argument is fallacious. There are many badly written Web sites, regardless of the underlying technology. >> You would be well-advised to keep your opinion to yourself until you know >> what you are talking about. > > Web sites that use JavaScript to redirect after a timeout period are > another form of abuse. That depends on the use-case. For example, it is actually a Good Idea to have a client-side script log you out automatically after you have been idle for a defined time; it prevents others from abusing your login for cracking their way into the system. If possible, that timeout should be user- defined, though. For example, I am frequently irritated by Outlook Web Access logging me out too soon, and there appears to be no built-in way for me to increase the timeout from the client side (I can think of a Greasemonkey script to work around it of course, but not all OWA users are programmers). BTW, this is quite off-topic here. PointedEars -- Prototype.js was written by people who don't know javascript for people who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript. -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <f806at$ail$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
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| From | Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> |
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| Date | 2011-05-11 13:18 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ctvjs6tsn7pf4598bq3jhrp3ldkao071hu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1486 |
On Tue, 10 May 2011 09:57:16 -0700, in comp.lang.php richard <member@newsguy.com> <5jmrvpnl392w$.dlg@evanplatt.sux> wrote: >| Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of >| detecting mouse movement. >| I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had >| been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for 10 >| minutes. >| I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on the >| page for a couple of hours. It could be javascript and timers or the page header has a refresh setting <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="600">
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