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Re: bug in is_numeric

From Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.php
Subject Re: bug in is_numeric
Date 2013-05-12 20:35 -0400
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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References (3 earlier) <1851737.v4KHZ1CCSF@PointedEars.de> <kmolp6$pfl$1@dont-email.me> <2674261.IiuJV7CBEH@PointedEars.de> <kmov5q$i0a$1@dont-email.me> <16716194.HF93PK6e1C@PointedEars.de>

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On 5/12/2013 7:27 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 5/12/2013 2:39 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2013 1:38 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>> Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
>>>>>> Sanders Kaufman schrieb:
>>>>>>>> if(is_numeric('x11.11c')  returns  TRUE
>>>>>>> Try it without the quotation marks around the number.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which number? x11.11c is not a number.
>>>>>
>>>>> The misconception might partially draw from the fact that 0x11 is a
>>>>> number,
>>>>> the hexadecimal representation of decimal 16¹ + 16⁰ = 17 (even in PHP).
>>>>> In other programming languages that require a leading “0” and do not
>>>>> have “.” as (concatenation) operator,
>>>>>
>>>>>      x11.11c
>>>>>
>>>>> could be the representation of decimal 16¹ + 16⁰ + 16⁻¹ + 16⁻² + 13 ×
>>>>> 16⁻³ = 17.06958 (BTW, I have written a drop-in replacement for
>>>>> ECMAScript's parseFloat() that can do that, with the usual rounding
>>>>> errors [1]).
>>>>>
>>>>> In PHP, however,
>>>>>
>>>>>      x11.11c
>>>>>
>>>>> would be equivalent to
>>>>>
>>>>>      (x11) . (11c)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wrong, as usual.
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Intentionally misquoted, as usual.
>>
>> And exactly what is wrong with what I quoted?
>
> In contrast to what you stated, exactly *nothing* is wrong with it when
> properly quoted; that is, *in context*, which is the point.  Giving you the
> benefit of a doubt, you appear to have severe difficulty understanding the
> concept of context as such and the importance of context in quotations
> specifically; it would be good if you could work on that.
>

That was the beginning of your reply.  There was no previous context to 
quote.

>> The rest of your trash
>
> Not everything that you choose to ignore or fail to understand is “trash”
> because of that.
>

No, but almost *everything* you say is pure tripe.  You can't blame this 
on the "context".

>> was based on this incorrect premise; it would be a waste of bandwidth to
>> repost your entire tripe.
>
> As showed by the PHP output that I posted further below, and that you
> snipped, the premise is _not_ incorrect.  To elaborate:
>

The premise is completely incorrect.  'x11.11c' is NEVER considered a 
numeric value, as several other people (including me) have shown.  And 
the '.' is NEVER an operator when within a quoted string.

> “.” would be considered a concatenation operator here; there is no other
> production of the PHP grammar that fits the source code better.  Numeric
> literals must not start with “x” in PHP, which precludes the possibility
> that “.” would be parsed as a decimal point of the literal “x11.11” (which,
> giving you the benefit of a doubt, might have been your assumption drawing
> from other programming languages that you might know).
>

Nope.  Not when it is within a quoted string.

> As a result, “x11“ would be considered a constant's identifier; because such
> a constant would likele be undeclared, it would be parsed as if it was a
> string value containing the characters of the would-be identifier as
> characters (see the PHP Notices in the test, and the generated output for
> proof of that).
>

Nope, not unless there was a define ('x11',...) statement previous to 
this.  It is a string - plain and simple.  But you don't understand such 
a simple concept.

> “11c” would be considered a constant identifier as well (and treated the
> same way) if it did not start with a decimal digit.  Or it would be
> considered a decimal literal if it did not contain/end with “c” (allowed
> would only be “e” followed by a decimal literal, for the
> exponential/scientific decimal format).  But as it does contain/end with “c”
> that is not in a hexadecimal literal, it is a *syntax error*.  Therefore,
> the entire expression would not compile and the entire PHP program would not
> compile, being syntactically in error.
>

Wrong again.  In PHP you have to have a define() statement to create a 
constant.  It is part of string.  However, that's way beyond your 
comprehension.

> We have now ascertained that, as Thomas Mlynarczyk stated, “x11.11c” cannot
> be a proper numeric literal in PHP (it would be an operation expression
> [that would not compile, but that is unimportant from here]).  As that is
> the case, “'x11.11c'” also is not considered numeric in PHP, which is why
>

No, it is a string value, nothing more, nothing less.

>    is_numeric('x11.11c')
>
> must return FALSE.  By contrast, is_numeric('0x11') returns TRUE.
>

is_numeric('0x11') has nothing to do with the problem at hand.

> However, there appears to be an *actual* mismatch between PHP manual and
> implementation in said PHP version as
>
>    is_numeric('0b11001001')
>
> returns FALSE when according to the manual it should return TRUE (binary
> integer literals are available since PHP 5.4.0 per the manual, and they do
> compile and properly evaluate in tests there.
>

Again, absolutely nothing to do with this problem.

>> [more flames]
>
> It is a pity that too often you are not able to master your emotions in
> order to participate in a factual discussion in a constructive way.
>
>
> PointedEars
>

It's a pity you are so stoopid that you can't understand even simple 
concepts so as to be able to participate in an intelligent discussion. 
I suggest you try washing dishes.  It's more your speed.

-- 
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Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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bug in  is_numeric fred <email@address.com> - 2013-05-12 15:22 +0100
  Re: bug in  is_numeric Salvatore <sal@yojimbo.hack.invalid> - 2013-05-12 15:31 +0000
    Re: bug in  is_numeric Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2013-05-12 17:55 +0200
    Re: bug in  is_numeric Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2013-05-12 17:58 +0200
    Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2013-05-12 18:06 +0200
    Re: bug in  is_numeric Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-05-12 16:24 +0000
    Re: bug in  is_numeric fred <email@address.com> - 2013-05-12 18:41 +0100
      Re: bug in  is_numeric Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2013-05-13 13:50 +0200
        Re: bug in  is_numeric fred <email@address.com> - 2013-05-13 14:58 +0100
          Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-13 10:11 -0400
            Re: bug in  is_numeric fred <email@address.com> - 2013-05-13 15:15 +0100
              Re: bug in  is_numeric Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2013-05-13 17:29 +0200
              Re: bug in  is_numeric "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2013-05-13 19:55 +0200
              Re: bug in  is_numeric Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2013-05-14 06:41 -0700
                Re: bug in  is_numeric SwissCheese <swisscheese@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-05-14 21:43 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-14 23:01 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric SwissCheese <swisscheese@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-05-15 05:48 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-15 06:11 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric SwissCheese <swisscheese@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-05-16 18:36 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-15 15:19 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-05-15 20:23 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-15 20:49 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-05-15 21:58 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-15 22:20 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-05-15 22:42 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2013-05-15 23:53 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-05-16 00:29 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-05-16 00:40 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-16 05:00 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric SwissCheese <swisscheese@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-05-16 18:16 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-17 00:45 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric SwissCheese <swisscheese@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-05-16 22:52 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-17 18:33 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-05-17 20:39 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-17 23:45 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-05-18 14:47 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric SwissCheese <swisscheese@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-05-15 20:57 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-16 00:09 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-05-17 01:17 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-16 20:30 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-05-18 14:51 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-18 10:07 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-18 11:56 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-18 14:32 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-18 22:24 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-18 17:01 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-05-18 21:58 +0000
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-18 19:21 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-05-19 02:22 +0000
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-18 22:41 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-19 05:28 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-19 09:42 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-19 11:42 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-19 14:39 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-21 01:01 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-21 05:59 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-19 07:49 +0100
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-19 05:31 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-19 12:39 +0100
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-19 09:43 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-19 11:52 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-19 14:42 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-21 01:03 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-21 06:00 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-19 11:45 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-19 05:27 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-19 09:45 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-19 11:37 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-19 14:43 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-21 00:59 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-21 06:02 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-18 17:08 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-18 23:58 +0100
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-18 19:22 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-18 17:11 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-18 19:23 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-19 05:35 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-19 09:46 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-19 11:23 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-19 14:44 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-21 00:54 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-21 06:03 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric fred <email@address.com> - 2013-05-23 15:38 +0100
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-06-01 17:36 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-01 14:54 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-06-05 15:25 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-05 10:34 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-06-05 17:02 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-05 12:30 -0400
                OT: What you say is not always what you mean (was: Re: bug in  is_numeric) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-06-05 20:20 +0200
                Re: OT: What you say is not always what you mean Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-05 14:40 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-18 21:51 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-18 17:13 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-19 00:49 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-19 05:24 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-19 12:40 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-19 12:43 +0100
                Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-19 11:29 -0500
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Norman Peelman <npeelman@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-05-18 14:53 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric SwissCheese <swisscheese@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-05-16 18:41 -0400
          Re: bug in  is_numeric Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-05-13 08:35 -0700
          Re: bug in  is_numeric Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-05-13 20:26 +0000
      Re: bug in  is_numeric Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-05-13 20:15 +0000
    Re: bug in  is_numeric Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2013-05-12 13:03 -0500
  Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-12 18:03 +0200
    Re: bug in  is_numeric fred <email@address.com> - 2013-05-12 18:34 +0100
      Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-12 19:40 +0200
        Re: bug in  is_numeric Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2013-05-12 21:51 +0200
  Re: bug in  is_numeric "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> - 2013-05-12 11:47 -0500
    Re: bug in  is_numeric Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2013-05-12 18:56 +0200
    Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2013-05-12 19:05 +0200
      Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-12 19:38 +0200
        Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-12 19:46 +0200
        Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-12 14:11 -0400
          Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-12 20:39 +0200
            Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-12 16:51 -0400
              Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-13 01:27 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-12 20:35 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-13 11:07 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-13 09:02 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-13 16:57 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-13 17:10 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-13 13:52 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-13 20:28 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric SwissCheese <swisscheese@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-05-16 18:28 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-17 00:33 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric SwissCheese <swisscheese@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-05-16 22:34 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-18 10:28 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Norman Peelman <npeelman@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-05-18 08:00 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2013-05-18 14:18 +0200
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-05-18 13:20 +0100
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-18 08:47 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-18 14:05 +0100
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-18 10:16 -0400
                Re: bug in  is_numeric Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-05-18 16:14 +0200
  Re: bug in  is_numeric Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-05-14 10:34 +0200
    Re: bug in  is_numeric fred <email@address.com> - 2013-05-14 14:47 +0100
      Re: bug in  is_numeric Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-05-14 14:54 +0000
      Re: bug in  is_numeric Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-05-15 08:05 +0200
        Re: bug in  is_numeric Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-05-15 06:27 -0400
          Re: bug in  is_numeric Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2013-05-15 13:11 +0200

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