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  Ajax Librairies ?? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-11-18 11:58 -0700
    Re: Ajax Librairies ?? Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2012-11-18 21:12 +0100
      Re: Ajax Librairies ?? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-11-18 17:27 -0700
    Re: Ajax Librairies ?? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-18 21:35 +0100
      Re: Ajax Librairies ?? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-11-18 17:29 -0700
        Re: Ajax Librairies ?? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-19 07:59 +0100
          Re: Ajax Librairies ?? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-11-19 09:22 +0000
            Re: Ajax Librairies ?? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-11-19 09:08 -0700
    Re: Ajax Librairies ?? Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2012-11-19 00:12 +0100

#17294 — Ajax Librairies ??

Hi:

    I'll soon be designing/building a web app with (I believe) a lot of 
Ajaxing involved.

    I've heard of and visited the www.backbonejs.org site but was confused 
by this packages terms: 'Models', 'Collections' (??), and 'Views'

    Is there any other simpler AJAX library that I can use to:

    -    Send client-entered data via charcter strings to my server 
databases (which are xBase and not SQL).

    -    Receive data from my server and populate fields on my client's 
browser window.

    -    I run my own Apache Server, and have a lot of expertise in my own 
particular database structures and use.  My server itself manipulates my 
databases easily, quickly, regularly.

    Two years ago, I tried doing this with my own (simplistic) AJAX 
routines, and it worked (barely). But this time I wish to move up to a solid 
Ajax library, that I can use at arm's length, and have less worry about 
uncaptured errors, unreceived packets, etc.

    So,  I'd appreciate some Ajax library suggestions please. (or should I 
just keep doing my own Ajax stuff ?)

Thank you.


-- 
Mel Smith

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#17295

W dniu 2012-11-18 19:58, Mel Smith pisze:
[...]
>      So,  I'd appreciate some Ajax library suggestions please. (or should I
> just keep doing my own Ajax stuff ?)

Try this one: http://www.cinsoft.net/mylib.html

-- 
Cezary Tomczyk
http://www.ctomczyk.pl/

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#17301

Cezary said:
> Try this one: http://www.cinsoft.net/mylib.html

I'll look at that

Thank you.

-Mel

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#17297

Mel Smith wrote on 18 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:

>     I'll soon be designing/building a web app with (I believe) a lot
>     of 
> Ajaxing involved.
> 
>     I've heard of and visited the www.backbonejs.org site but was
>     confused 
> by this packages terms: 'Models', 'Collections' (??), and 'Views'
> 
>     Is there any other simpler AJAX library that I can use to:
> 
>     -    Send client-entered data via charcter strings to my server 
> databases (which are xBase and not SQL).
> 
>     -    Receive data from my server and populate fields on my
>     client's 
> browser window.
> 
>     -    I run my own Apache Server, and have a lot of expertise in my
>     own 
> particular database structures and use.  My server itself manipulates
> my databases easily, quickly, regularly.
> 
>     Two years ago, I tried doing this with my own (simplistic) AJAX 
> routines, and it worked (barely). But this time I wish to move up to a
> solid Ajax library, that I can use at arm's length, and have less
> worry about uncaptured errors, unreceived packets, etc.
> 
>     So,  I'd appreciate some Ajax library suggestions please. (or
>     should I 
> just keep doing my own Ajax stuff ?)

Make your own routines. 
You will know exactly what happens.
You will be able to do your own debugging.
You will sleep better and be nicer to your partner.

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#17302

Evertjan said:

> Make your own routines.
> You will know exactly what happens.
> You will be able to do your own debugging.

Evertjan:

    That *does* have some appeal !

    I'll delay my decision until I really come close to using Ajax again for 
my upcoming app.

Thanks,

-Mel Smith

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#17303

Mel Smith wrote on 19 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:

> Evertjan said:
> 
>> Make your own routines.
>> You will know exactly what happens.
>> You will be able to do your own debugging.
> 
> Evertjan:
> 
>     That *does* have some appeal !
> 
>     I'll delay my decision until I really come close to using Ajax
>     again for my upcoming app.

I guess most programmers, using myself as an N=1 statistic [an inferior 
habit but often a necessarily one in decision taking path of single 
humans], don't need all the in's and out's possible with xmlhttp that are 
envisioned with full-blown Ajax-containing libraries, and just want 
["need"??] some form of one-way or two-way communication between the 
browser-page and the server, that would be just as possible with repeated 
form-submission and reloading of that page, but for speed and/or 
smoothness of the intended action. 

Clientside programmed intelligence as offered by clientside Javascript 
makes such on-page communication possible cross-browser-wise in 
interaction with whatever one fancies as a serverside programming 
language/engine.

In the contect of this NG, I would fancy serverside Javascript for the 
NG's sake also also because some functions can be written for both 
serverside and clientside in one go, for instance validation routines.

So why not build your own clean and lean code for the problem at hand?
And improve on your code only the next time you need the functionality?

There must be some joy of programming left even in the most desillusionned 
of programmers.

=======

In general, this not needing all the in's and out's possible, is a prime 
argument against general libraries in this multi-engine landscape of 
cross-browser [not forgetting aberrant IE and the miriad of mobile 
browsers] and each of these browser's cross-version "needs". 

The patchwork necessary to allow for this landscape, and updates needed to  
cover up the unforseable present needs and earlier sloppynesses, without 
disabling user-programmer code that even made use of such earlier errors, 
makes it advisably so important to steer free from al this general-library 
nonsense. 

The good usability of lean libraries in a single compiler environment, 
where only the executable is distributed to the users, is quite another 
matter, however residual sloppyness would be a danger here too.

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#17304

In article <XnsA110513854C8Deejj99@194.109.133.133>,
 "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote:

> Mel Smith wrote on 19 nov 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:
> 
> > Evertjan said:
> > 
> >> Make your own routines.
> >> You will know exactly what happens.
> >> You will be able to do your own debugging.
> > 
> > Evertjan:
> > 
> >     That *does* have some appeal !
> > 
> >     I'll delay my decision until I really come close to using Ajax
> >     again for my upcoming app.
> 
> I guess most programmers, using myself as an N=1 statistic [an inferior 
> habit but often a necessarily one in decision taking path of single 
> humans], don't need all the in's and out's possible with xmlhttp that are 
> envisioned with full-blown Ajax-containing libraries, and just want 
> ["need"??] some form of one-way or two-way communication between the 
> browser-page and the server, that would be just as possible with repeated 
> form-submission and reloading of that page, but for speed and/or 
> smoothness of the intended action.

Exactly - and is just what I did here:

  <http://www.clothears.org.uk/examples-ajax.php>

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#17305

Tim said:

> Exactly - and is just what I did here:
>
>  <http://www.clothears.org.uk/examples-ajax.php>
>

To Tim:

    I just copied your page, and will 'take it to bed' with me :))

    You provide the serverside php code, but in my case I use a C-based 
language called eXtended Harbour  (i.e., xHarbour) for all my serverside 
work. That is, Harbour is my CGI app, and my database engine, and it does 
everything else too).

    However, your client side code is precisely what I need to improve my 
understanding of Ajax.  Everyone at my level should read it !

To Evertjan who said:

/*
    In the contect of this NG, I would fancy serverside Javascript for the
    NG's sake also also because some functions can be written for both
    serverside and clientside in one go, for instance validation routines.

    So why not build your own clean and lean code for the problem at hand?
    And improve on your code only the next time you need the functionality?

    There must be some joy of programming left even in the most 
desillusionned
    of programmers.
*/

    I've never used serverside Javascript. I spend 95% of my time at the 
Command Prompt on my dev machine developing Browser pages, and then 
adding/editing Harbour code for the changes I make on the pages for my 
clients, then testing, re-tedting, crashing, etc.  Then, re-testing on 
Chrome and FF and Safari, etc.

    But, I guess I've decided to continue to build my own code -- incl Ajax.

    OT:  My daughter called last nite and wants advice on how to initiate 
and improve her IT/IM credentials (she's a lawyer by training and Privacy 
expert by experience, and is currently a Manager of Privacy in a Canadian 
Health Authority network).  She wanted advice on how to get credentials as 
an IT manager. She mentioned Java and Python and asked for my opinion if 
they were useful for her to look into. Since I used Harbout for 
*everything*, I couldn't help her : ((

    Anyway, thank you both for the guidance.

With Tim's code as a crutch, I'll start building my app.

-Mel Smith

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#17298

"Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> writes:

>     I'll soon be designing/building a web app with (I believe) a lot of 
> Ajaxing involved.

Don't you think it's better to have the requirements straight before
choosing the tools (a wildly unpopular concept these days, I know)?

>     I've heard of and visited the www.backbonejs.org site but was confused 
> by this packages terms: 'Models', 'Collections' (??), and 'Views'

Somebody really oughta coin the term Pigeon MVC. :-)

>     Is there any other simpler AJAX library

Backbone.js delegates that problem domain to either jQuery or Zepto.
That was simple enough, wasn't it.

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